RN vs. MD

[minkydog]

Wow, that sucks! In the hospital where I used to work we had many male nurses. I wonder if they felt that way?? It would make me very angry if they were not treated well by the MDs.

We have to get over the old idea that nurses are just comforters who change bedpans and stick thermometers in patients mouths, a traditional womanly nurturing thing. Nurses today are what I like to call Doctors-lite. They really are just one step below a doctor with all the knowledge of meds and wound care and general medical information that they have. Nurses walk on water as far as I'm concerned. And not to be controversial, but I actually prefer male nurses, I think because I subconsciously want to have the opportunity to treat them with the respect they deserve. I just wish we'd stop calling them "male nurses" instead of just nurses.

I have a nurse friend who's an MMA fighter whose been on Pay per view TV, in case anyone thinks there's a certain untrue stereotype about them. His name is Philip Nover if you've ever heard of him.

When my nephew decided he wanted to major in nursing, his parents (my sister and BIL) had a fit. They told that only gay men went into nursing, except they used a much more degrading term. They tried to tell him that they wouldn't pay for his education, except that he had a prepaid tuition waiver. One day I sat down with him and said, "Look. Your parents are idiots. Nursing will not make you gay. There are plenty of guys doing great work in ERs, peds, ICE, even in OB/GYN. If you want to be a nurse, do it. If they don't want to pay, do it anyway." If you want to be a nurse, you can find a way.

 

[skiingfast]

I spent a lot of time in the medical field, though I have little medical background. I was just there for logistic reasons.

I noticed something though in the hundreds of personel I dealth with. MDs are not terribly smart. They lack huge aspects of intelligence. And quite litterally could of never been another professional.

While nurses tended to show real genious. They could actually solve problems rather than only memorize answers.

But heirarchy in the Doctor offices and Hospitals generally keep down the nurses and elevate the doctors. It's all based on culture not merit.

 

[DonDraper]

I spent a lot of time in the medical field, though I have little medical background. I was just there for logistic reasons.

I noticed something though in the hundreds of personel I dealth with. MDs are not terribly smart. They lack huge aspects of intelligence. And quite litterally could of never been another professional.

While nurses tended to show real genious. They could actually solve problems rather than only memorize answers.

But heirarchy in the Doctor offices and Hospitals generally keep down the nurses and elevate the doctors. It's all based on culture not merit.

Rejected from medical schools huh? Sorry about that.

 

[cm8]

I always knew that I wanted to be an MD. I was blessed enough to attend a HS that allowed us to a nurse upon graduation after taking the test. I started out as an LPN, then worked my way up to a RN and then from there, I earned my MD. It was a long and stressful process and I am so glad that I kept with it. I would not change a thing about it either. I did it because I love helping others and wanted to help make a difference in my community. I wanted to take care of others that could not afford to get health care any place else and I really loved the "bed side" manner of it.

Some of the people I have ever met RN/MD have some of the worst bedside manners ever. Some people are actually in the medical profession because they want to make a difference. It should not matter what title you have RN/MD compassion and wanting to make a difference in the life of someone else is all that should really matter. I've been blessed to have experience in both professions and I truly believe that the training from nursing made me be a better physician.

Apples vs Oranges.

Plus my writing is way too legible to be a MD.

My penmanship is readable by all so are the ones of the other MD's that I work with. Not every MD has sloppy handwriting

 

[Deb in IA]

I spent a lot of time in the medical field, though I have little medical background. I was just there for logistic reasons.

I noticed something though in the hundreds of personel I dealth with. MDs are not terribly smart. They lack huge aspects of intelligence. And quite litterally could of never been another professional.

While nurses tended to show real genious. They could actually solve problems rather than only memorize answers.

But heirarchy in the Doctor offices and Hospitals generally keep down the nurses and elevate the doctors. It's all based on culture not merit.

Well, I may not be "terribly smart" , but I can spell and I use better grammar than you.

 

[Aisling]

Well, I may not be "terribly smart" , but I can spell and I use better grammar than you.

It's "than you do". Your grammar ain't so good after all.

 

[DonDraper]

It's "than you do". Your grammar ain't so good after all.

ain't?

 

[minkydog]

I spent a lot of time in the medical field, though I have little medical background. I was just there for logistic reasons.

I noticed something though in the hundreds of personel I dealth with. MDs are not terribly smart. They lack huge aspects of intelligence. And quite litterally could of never been another professional.

While nurses tended to show real genious. They could actually solve problems rather than only memorize answers.

But heirarchy in the Doctor offices and Hospitals generally keep down the nurses and elevate the doctors. It's all based on culture not merit.

Now you're just being ridiculous. You don't get to be a doctor(or a nurse) by being an idiot. In my 34 years of nursing I have met hundreds of nurses, doctors and other health professionals. The majority of these healthcare providers have been truly interested in their client's welfare and would be considered to be pretty darn smart, too. I can probably think of 20 or so that I'd like to kick to the curb, but I suppose I could say that about a whole lot of other professions.

 

[singastory]

It does make me respect when people say to me, "I couldn't do that" (as a nurse) because I know there were certain things I wouldn't have been able to do as a vet. I do very much respect the work that veterinarians do.

This is for you if you'd like it for your signature. One of my favorite authors, James Herriot.

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Thank you for your kind words, and for the gift! I feel similarly about human medicine. There are just too many things I wouldn't be able to do, so I understand your stance completely!

 

[Aisling]

ain't?

Yeah, ain't! And I put the apostrophe in the correct place!

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Another interesting topic is that the majority of people in vet school now are women. They asked me what I thought about this in my interview and I truthfully didn't have an answer. 20 years ago it was completely the opposite with most veterinarians being male.

OK, I guessed what might account for this, and then I researched the acutality.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/206562.php

Not sure what people think about this assertion...

Feminization likely for law, medicine professions

The same phenomenon likely will be seen in coming years in the male-dominated fields of medicine and law, given the increasing numbers of women now entering those fields.

"We can use veterinary medicine as a predictor of what is going to happen in medicine and law," Lincoln said. "It may take 27 years for medicine and law to become gender-integrated. The pharmacist profession earlier experienced this 'occupational jostling.' It takes decades for a profession to feminize because an occupation that is mostly male is going to have generational turnover as the more senior practitioners retire."

And another interesting perspecitve

http://speakingforspot.wordpress.co...-there-are-more-and-more-women-veterinarians/

 

[horseshowmom]

OK, I guessed what might account for this, and then I researched the acutality.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/206562.php

Not sure what people think about this assertion...

Feminization likely for law, medicine professions

The same phenomenon likely will be seen in coming years in the male-dominated fields of medicine and law, given the increasing numbers of women now entering those fields.

"We can use veterinary medicine as a predictor of what is going to happen in medicine and law," Lincoln said. "It may take 27 years for medicine and law to become gender-integrated. The pharmacist profession earlier experienced this 'occupational jostling.' It takes decades for a profession to feminize because an occupation that is mostly male is going to have generational turnover as the more senior practitioners retire."
And another interesting perspecitve

http://speakingforspot.wordpress.co...-there-are-more-and-more-women-veterinarians/

My daughter will be finishing pharmacy school next month, and her class is definitely predominantly female.

I agree with the blog above that lists several possible reasons. I do think that women today are much more likely to enter these fields due to an expansion in their expectations. I also think more women are willing make the long term commitment required to be successful in these fields (many delay marriage and/or having children - although not all do).

One situation that I was recently told about involved a young woman that we know who applied to vet school. This girl has spent her whole life working toward this goal and has worked in a vet's clinic for several years (weekends, summers, etc.). She was told that she did extremely well in the interview and that her credentials were equally good, but she didn't get in. She was later told, off the record, by someone involved in the process that there were so many females that they wanted to make room for more males in the interest of diversity (this person happened to be a friend of hers who worked in the office). I would guess that she was low enough down on the list that she got bumped. I have encouraged her to try again, but I don't know whether she will.

 

[Deb in IA]

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[Pea-n-Me]

I thought it might be fun, if any doctors and nurses here want to participate, to demonstrate for those who don't know but are interested, what it is we do when it comes to our respected professions and perspectives.

I'll give a fictional case study and you can briefly show what your diagnoses and plan of care would look like. (I am keeping it very simple - many patients have far more complex histories and presentations than this.)

Mrs B. is an 84 year old who lives alone. Her daughter brought her in today because she found her mother at home with shortness of breath, bilateral pedal edema, new confusion and states she does not think her mother has taken her medications in three days, the time since her last visit. Vital signs are BP 188/122, HR 112-130, RR 30, Room Air Saturation 88-90%, Blood Glucose 246. Her rythm is Atrial Fibrillation. Past Medical History: Hypertension (HTN), Diabetes - adult onset (AODM), Congestive Heart Failure (CHF). Past Surgical History: s/p Coronary Artery Bypass Graft (CABG).

What are the standards of care for this patient?

 

[babynurse1]

This thread title caught my eye.

My original plan in life was to be a baby doctor, but I got sidetracked with having a baby and then another and then another and then one more for good measure. lol

Of course I could have still gone to med school, but I wanted to be home with my kiddos when they were young. Being a nurse gave me the flexibility to stay home the majority of the time.


I still contemplate going back to med school and my dh encourages me to fulfill that dream if that is what I want to do.


But I ask myself "Is this really what you want to do at this point in your life?"


I feel blessed that I get to work with new moms and take care of newborns, and when my shift is over I get to clock out and head home. No after hours phone calls, no getting up at 3 a.m. to deliver a baby, AND no lawsuits.


One of the OB/GYN's I work with said his malpractice insurance is astronomical. And one study I read said that OB's are the second most sued specialists in the medical profession.


If I had it to do all over again, I MIGHT have delayed having children and became a doctor. Having said that, I have absolutely no regrets and enjoy my profession very much.

 

[babynurse1]

Mrs B. is an 84 year old who lives alone. Her daughter brought her in today because she found her mother at home with shortness of breath, bilateral pedal edema, new confusion and states she does not think her mother has taken her medications in three days, the time since her last visit. Vital signs are BP 188/122, HR 112-130, RR 30, Room Air Saturation 88-90%, Blood Glucose 246. Her rythm is Atrial Fibrillation. Past Medical History: Hypertension (HTN), Diabetes - adult onset (AODM), Congestive Heart Failure (CHF). Past Surgical History: s/p Coronary Artery Bypass Graft (CABG).

What are the standards of care for this patient?

Call the doctor stat.


Sorry. I couldn't resist.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Call the doctor stat.

Thank you for that intelligent response.... Next!

How about we assume both the doctor and nurse are already there.

(Didn't think I'd need to say that. Unfortunate that decades of sterotypes about what nurses do were just completely reinforced with those four words.)

Any nurses here who can tackle this? Krista? Minky? Disney Doll? npmommie? laurie? MomRN? rolie? dackp? Hannathy? Others? Here's an opportunity to show what we do! Nurses DO have their own scope of practice.

And Dis Docs - Deb? booger? cm8? Let's hear it!

 

[babynurse1]

(Didn't think I'd need to say that. Unfortunate that decades of sterotypes about what nurses do were just completely reinforced with those four words.)

Oh for goodness sake. It was a joke. I am a smartypants, and that's just the way I roll. And if you too are a nurse, then you know you need a sense of humor to get through a day.



And as many interventions as we do and as much care as we provide, we are not doctors. I certainly will not put my license on the line pretending that I am.

 

[horseshowmom]

Thank you for that intelligent response.... Next!

How about we assume both the doctor and nurse are already there.

(Didn't think I'd need to say that. Unfortunate that decades of sterotypes about what nurses do were just completely reinforced with those four words.)
Any nurses here who can tackle this? Krista? Minky? Disney Doll? npmommie? laurie? MomRN? rolie? dackp? Hannathy? Others? Here's an opportunity to show what we do! Nurses DO have their own scope of practice.

And Dis Docs - Deb? booger? cm8? Let's hear it!

I don't know about anybody else who read those four words, but I didn't think they were anything but a joke.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

And as many interventions as we do and as much care as we provide, we are not doctors. I certainly will not put my license on the line pretending that I am.

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about.