Ridiculous pricing

[BuckeyeBama]

It is not just capacity casino hotels are completely different from a revenue stand point so it is jut not comparable.

Sorry - not true. The rooms are meant to keep the guests proximate to the place where they will spend their money, but many guests stay in one resort and gamble in another. The idea in both Vegas and WDW is to get guests to stay where you can capture as much of their vacation spend as possible. Same model - different attraction (gambling vs parks).

 

[AngiTN]

Sorry - not true. The rooms are meant to keep the guests proximate to the place where they will spend their money, but many guests stay in one resort and gamble in another. The idea in both Vegas and WDW is to get guests to stay where you can capture as much of their vacation spend as possible. Same model - different attraction (gambling vs parks).

I think one area where it varies, and this is significant, gambling makes money for the Vegas resorts. Parks do not make money for the Disney resorts in the same way. The Vegas resorts make lots of their money when people gamble in the resorts so they can offer lower room rates because they will make up the loss with gambling proceeds.
Disney doesn't have a venue like that in their resorts. Sure they have dining but I don't believe dining makes as much for a resort as gambling does for a Vegas resort. If that makes sense.

 

[DisLaw]

I often wonder too who are these people pay upwards of $500/night for a hotel room for multiple nights? I consider myself to be doing ok in the income department but to be paying over $3,000-$5,000 for just the room never mind tickets food plane fare etc I just wonder how people are affording this. I hope people are taking advantage of discounts ( I know I do!) but if not, I am just wondering how they are doing it! But this has been discussed over and over since I first started on these boards back in the late 1990s! But then we were complaining about paying close to $300 a night for deluxes! Who knew I be happily paying well over that with discounts and be thankful for it haha

I recall not wanting to book the GF on an AP rate because it was going to be something like $240/night! Can you imagine! I chose the BC and paid $160 which was a "splurge" for one night. Now this was back in ancient times........

But as they say, supply and demand. Someone is paying these rates. Just isnt' me

 

[Flight]

Frankly, we would never stay in any of the WDW resorts at these price points if they were anywhere else. There is simply nothing great about any of these resorts. I stay deluxe all over the world - these are not deluxe accommodations.

I have also been disappointed at the rates and accommodations of the deluxe resorts.

 

[strat68]

We rented DVC points for a BWI deluxe studio for 8 nights with an average of less than $250 a night.

 

[ellie05]

Sorry - not true. The rooms are meant to keep the guests proximate to the place where they will spend their money, but many guests stay in one resort and gamble in another. The idea in both Vegas and WDW is to get guests to stay where you can capture as much of their vacation spend as possible. Same model - different attraction (gambling vs parks).

I worked and have a degree in hospitality. You are not comparing apples to apples. It is completely different how casino hotels operate vs other hotels in general.

 

[Ensusieasm]

I often wonder too who are these people pay upwards of $500/night for a hotel room for multiple nights? I consider myself to be doing ok in the income department but to be paying over $3,000-$5,000 for just the room never mind tickets food plane fare etc I just wonder how people are affording this. I hope people are taking advantage of discounts ( I know I do!) but if not, I am just wondering how they are doing it! But this has been discussed over and over since I first started on these boards back in the late 1990s! But then we were complaining about paying close to $300 a night for deluxes! Who knew I be happily paying well over that with discounts and be thankful for it haha

I recall not wanting to book the GF on an AP rate because it was going to be something like $240/night! Can you imagine! I chose the BC and paid $160 which was a "splurge" for one night. Now this was back in ancient times........

But as they say, supply and demand. Someone is paying these rates. Just isnt' me

Some people are so wealthy that you cannot even imagine it. Others may be running up their credit cards and only paying the minimum each month. I pay mine off every month and stay at POR and feel like royalty.

 

[Ensusieasm]

I often wonder too who are these people pay upwards of $500/night for a hotel room for multiple nights? I consider myself to be doing ok in the income department but to be paying over $3,000-$5,000 for just the room never mind tickets food plane fare etc I just wonder how people are affording this. I hope people are taking advantage of discounts ( I know I do!) but if not, I am just wondering how they are doing it! But this has been discussed over and over since I first started on these boards back in the late 1990s! But then we were complaining about paying close to $300 a night for deluxes! Who knew I be happily paying well over that with discounts and be thankful for it haha

I recall not wanting to book the GF on an AP rate because it was going to be something like $240/night! Can you imagine! I chose the BC and paid $160 which was a "splurge" for one night. Now this was back in ancient times........

But as they say, supply and demand. Someone is paying these rates. Just isnt' me

I have seen someone on the dis that rents TWO 2-bedroom villas. One at AKL because her children love the animals, and one at GF so they can take a break from MK mid day, shower and maybe a little nap. They never spend the night at GF. So, some people just are more wealthy than we can even imagine.

 

[PSUGuy]

So, some people just are more wealthy than we can even imagine.

Or as my grandmother used to say, 'He has more money than brains'.

Bill From PA

 

[Ensusieasm]

Or as my grandmother used to say, 'He has more money than brains'.

Bill From PA

 

[spiceycat]

I was responding to your post in which you said this:

You cast a very wide net there by saying Disney is only interested in the rich and is no longer interested in middle America. That is simply not true. Yes, some of the deluxe resorts are very high priced -- but they are deluxe resorts. They are supposed to be the luxury end of Disney's accommodations. Disney also offers moderate and value resorts for people on different budgets.

To say that Disney doesn't care about middle America by limiting the discussion to only one class of resort is disingenuous. Disney is trying to reach pretty much every demographic of vacationer, which is specifically why they have options ranging from All-Star Sports to the Grand Floridian.

I live in Florida and still love Disney. but several reporters were asking a Disney executive about their raising prices. Disney answered that they don't care. they use to talk about their added value - now they simply raise prices. Although in my opinion Disney has upgraded both its moderate and deluxe resorts. they are both alot nicer and more upscale than they were before.

now I brought DVC in 1993 but still stay in non-Dvc resorts and pay cash at times.but mostly stay in DVC

 

[amg35]

Some people are so wealthy that you cannot even imagine it. Others may be running up their credit cards and only paying the minimum each month. I pay mine off every month and stay at POR and feel like royalty.

Or as my grandmother used to say, 'He has more money than brains'.

Bill From PA

Or, we save for it. We don't feel the need to go to Disney every year, so we put money away each month until we can afford to travel there the way we like. Deluxe, long trip. LOVE IT!!!! We put about $500 in a vacation account every month, after all bills paid. We aren't going again until Nov 2017 and have been saving since October of last year, so we will have enough for Grand Floridian for 9 nights, planning no discount but hoping for one, room for inflation of prices. With cheaper trips to other destinations in between. We aren't all super wealthy or foolish. (we realize the deluxe aren't "true" deluxe, but we are okay with that, only at WDW because, well, it is what it is)

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I worked and have a degree in hospitality. You are not comparing apples to apples. It is completely different how casino hotels operate vs other hotels in general.

I am not talking about their operation - I am talking about their draw and attraction. People stay in Vegas resorts for the same reason that people stay in WDW resorts - to be close to the thing that they have really come there to see and do. But Vegas resorts charge less because they have to charge less, because there is so much capacity. You don't think that they would charge $500+/night in Vegas if they could? You think that they charge less because they can?

They charge less because they have competition, and because of capacity. WDW charges more because they can - because they have a monopoly on WDW property resorts, and they keep that capacity low to entice people into investing in DVC.

 

[ellie05]

I am not talking about their operation - I am talking about their draw and attraction. People stay in Vegas resorts for the same reason that people stay in WDW resorts - to be close to the thing that they have really come there to see and do. But Vegas resorts charge less because they have to charge less, because there is so much capacity. You don't think that they would charge $500+/night in Vegas if they could? You think that they charge less because they can?

They charge less because they have competition, and because of capacity. WDW charges more because they can - because they have a monopoly on WDW property resorts, and they keep that capacity low to entice people into investing in DVC.

I get what you are saying, but room pricing is done from a operational stand point and that is why I am telling is very different. The room revenue in casino hotels are not the priority. There are hotels in Vegas that charge $500+ a night. WDW was build with the bubble, because of what happended in Disneyland. There are non Disney hotels options on property that are less expensive if proximity is the issue. I think that people that choose to stay at Disney hotels and pay the premium prices it is a little more than just location. The OP can easily just book the Swan or dolphin same location as BWI.

 

[Ensusieasm]

Or, we save for it. We don't feel the need to go to Disney every year, so we put money away each month until we can afford to travel there the way we like. Deluxe, long trip. LOVE IT!!!! We put about $500 in a vacation account every month, after all bills paid. We aren't going again until Nov 2017 and have been saving since October of last year, so we will have enough for Grand Floridian for 9 nights, planning no discount but hoping for one, room for inflation of prices. With cheaper trips to other destinations in between. We aren't all super wealthy or foolish. (we realize the deluxe aren't "true" deluxe, but we are okay with that, only at WDW because, well, it is what it is)

Sounds like a good plan. Enjoy!

 

[AngiTN]

I live in Florida and still love Disney. but several reporters were asking a Disney executive about their raising prices. Disney answered that they don't care. they use to talk about their added value - now they simply raise prices. Although in my opinion Disney has upgraded both its moderate and deluxe resorts. they are both alot nicer and more upscale than they were before.

now I brought DVC in 1993 but still stay in non-Dvc resorts and pay cash at times.but mostly stay in DVC

They actually used those words? Officially?

 

[dashofsunshine]

This is why we stay offsite. It has been my dream for about 10 years now to stay in a Savannah view room at AKL, but I just don't think it's ever going to happen for us, sadly. There is simply no way we could afford it. Maybe we'll win the lottery! Lol. But no, definitely look into offsite, if you aren't opposed to that. There are beautiful homes/condos/resorts 5-10 mins from the Disney gates that are 1/5 of the price.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I love Disney, but they created this bubble for a reason, and it was not to increase customer satisfaction, safety or enjoyment. It was to create as much of a monopoly as they could in their space. To capture as much of the consumer spend as they possibly could while allowing themselves to name the price for the proximity. And they have the ability to increase capacity, but they chose to build DVC instead. They chose to maintain a low inventory of rooms so they could charge a premium for those rooms.

Not knocking them for it, but it is the truth. Supply and demand - Disney controls both.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I often wonder too who are these people pay upwards of $500/night for a hotel room for multiple nights?

Well, there are also people paying $2000/night for Poly Bungalows...

 

[hookedonears]

Okay so I haven't taken a Disney trip in a very long time as I lived near there for 6 years. Now I am planning my first trip back to the World and love staying at BWI. When I looked up the "standard" non-discounted pricing for BWI I almost fainted. Its over 500 dollars. That is half my monthly mortgage. The sad thing is I can afford this but would NEVER consider paying this much. Is this really what the average Joe is paying these days? I live in Las Vegas and can get a room (not the locals rate but the book online rate) at the Venetian for 205 a night. If I want breakfast included the rate is 229 a night. This is without discounts or specials. Just the rack rate. It is a much more luxurious resort hotel. Tell me that Disney has not fallen that far off the planet.

Try going to New York or Paris and staying in a comparable room and desirable tourist location. Then compare the entertainment value received. Disney becomes a deal. It's all about supply and demand. If you don't pay it, someone else will, though these days those someone elses have been more and more international tourist.