Rider Switch changing (Started June 16th)

[Krandor]

If this is happening it is on the CM for allowing this lunacy.

1- they do not give RS for NRJ except in very specific cases that the CM allows it. There is no height limit and it is not scary.

2 - the CM should not be giving a RS to Dad at all for NRJ because he cannot even produce any child who would be too short or too scared or sleeping, as Mom and taller child are currently on another ride.

3- the CM should not have given Mom the RS for Dad for FoP because he did not have a FP. This is the rule, although apparent it has been rarely enforced. At DL where we have had digital RS for maybe a year, this is always enforced. At least in our experience.


So no, even with the current system, the way you described should not actually ever be happening. If it is, I put the blame on the CM’s for allowing that to happen. With the new system no chance that will happen.

And shame on the family who would do this because they are very clearly knowingly abusing the system.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

I'm sure there are people doing this. Thread I linked to above had somebody bragging about doing it because they throught tiers were absurd. Ironically there were people in there saying that people doing stuff like that would get the system changed... and here we are.

Based on what you said and the rumors for WDW, it sounds like they are just going to implement in WDW the exact system they currently have in DLR and if its been running there a year I'd expect most of the kinks have been worked out. Still would have been nice to give people notice so they could plan.

 

[DizneyMommy]

This post claims it is easy to do and even brags how they got around the T1 requirements.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/navi-river-journey-rider-switch-or-no.3624192/#post-58277760

That is absolutely ugly. I just read that whole thread. Unfortunately it is locked so I can’t put my two cents in. That is shameful, I’m sorry. They outright cheated and lied to get that NRJ FP. What a great example they are setting for their kids.

I can’t image there are that many people actually doing this because most of us have morals and follow the rules. That wasn’t even a loophole, Dad flat out cheated when he asked for a RS for a nonexistent scared/too-small child.

 

[DizneyMommy]

I'm sure there are people doing this. Thread I linked to above had somebody bragging about doing it because they throught tiers were absurd. Ironically there were people in there saying that people doing stuff like that would get the system changed... and here we are.

Based on what you said and the rumors for WDW, it sounds like they are just going to implement in WDW the exact system they currently have in DLR and if its been running there a year I'd expect most of the kinks have been worked out. Still would have been nice to give people notice so they could plan.

Yes, it works awesome at DL. No complaints here and we’ve pulled dozens of RS over the last year or however long it has been since it went digital. I find it more convenient, I don’t have to keep track of the paper RS and just scan my AP, although we have always gone back to back or not at all. I’m not a fan of backtracking all over the park so I can ride something if my kids want to do something else.

 

[ArwenMarie]

That is absolutely ugly. I just read that whole thread. Unfortunately it is locked so I can’t put my two cents in. That is shameful, I’m sorry. They outright cheated and lied to get that NRJ FP. What a great example they are setting for their kids.

I can’t image there are that many people actually doing this because most of us have morals and follow the rules. That wasn’t even a loophole, Dad flat out cheated when he asked for a RS for a nonexistent scared/too-small child.

That thread is a little different, but getting around the tiers via RS has not been considered as even a loophole on here

 

[OSUZorba]

This post claims it is easy to do and even brags how they got around the T1 requirements.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/navi-river-journey-rider-switch-or-no.3624192/#post-58277760

So one case where the CM apparently wasn't following their guidelines. Better toss out the whole system then. I've seen many posts on her about how people couldn't get RS even though their baby was sleeping, etc.

BTW, I don't really mind then changing the split FP rule, but I understand the arguments for keeping it.

 

[sndral]

I thought it would be helpful to see just which rides had height restrictions and the age most likely to not be able to ride:
48" rides : R&R @ DHS, Primeval whirl @ AK. According to growth charts most 7 year olds can ride and some 6 yr. olds.
44" rides : Space @ MK, Mission Space orange @ Epcot, EE @ AK, FOP @ AK most 5 year old boys and most 6 year old girls, some 5 & 6 year old girls, some 4 year old boys.
40" rides : Big Thunder, Splash, Stitch @ MK, Mission space green, Soarin and test track @ Epcot, Star tours, TOT @ DHS, Dinosaur @ AK. Per average growth charts most 4 year olds, some 3 year olds can ride.
38" rides : 7dwarves @ MK, Slinky dog @ DHS, Kali @ AK. Per growth chart most 3 year olds - which, of course is the age these children would need to pay for tickets and be able to get FP for rides.
32" rides : tomorrow land speedway (to ride) @ MK, Slinky dog @ DHS - per growth charts majority of 2 yr. olds are tall enough to ride.
My only dog in this fight is that it seems the FP lines are not fast anymore - indeed many are ridiculously slow, particularly in the afternoons when we usually schedule ours.
Looking at who would be eligible for a RS based on the above demographics - I'm afraid there's got to be more clogging up the FP line than RS FPs - although the afternoon RS returnees probably do have a disproportionate impact. I hope hand in hand with this change WDW tightens the lid on CM's tendency to give away FPs like candy to all of those squeaky wheels.
Or maybe it's simple line management - CMs are letting in more SB and fewer FP line people thus slowing the FP line down. Certainly the longer the FP line becomes, the slower the SB line gets, as the CMs up the FP going through and decrease the SB doing so, so excess FPs prolong not just the FP wait, but it lengthens the SB wait as well.

 

[ClapYourHands]

I do understand that the of FP had the potential to be abused, but the new system where everyone has to have the FP means that parents with small children (not babies too young to care, but children too small to do the rides) will have to choose between RS and making the little kids do a crap ton of waiting. If they use RS on FPs, the kid is going to be waiting for a long time for both parents to ride back to back (which is likely to be 15 minutes or so per rider, since there's usually at least some wait for the FP line), and then having to wait standby for the rides s/he wants to go on.

Right now, the system will allow, say, Mom and Big Brother to get FP to 7DMT while dad and 3-year-old get FP to Peter Pan, then Dad rides afterwards with Big Brother on 7DMT. Yes, it does mean Dad gets to do two rides and Big Brother gets to do 7DMT twice. But if Dad has to get his own 7DMT FP, then 3-year-old doesn't get to use her FP because she's too young to reasonably go on Peter Pan or anything alone.

It just seems to me that the old/current system was a good way to make sure the whole family could get a few low-wait rides in. I think it would be pretty stressful for one parent to try to entertain a little kid for 15-20 minutes while the first parent rode, and then the second parent had to do the same, and the little kid is basically spending 30-40 minutes waiting and not getting to go on anything.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

You clearly don't have experience with it, because they would never give a RS on NRJ for a kid over 44 or any other awake, healthy child. Even if you did get a RS for it using an infant, they more than likely wouldn't let you then take that infant back on with the pass.

I've seen far more posts about not getting RS for sleeping/afraid kids, than actually getting them. Not something you'd ever plan on getting.

I've used the RS system a lot, have you ever?

Ok sure, then switch FOP and NRJ in my example for TT and Soarin. The point is that there is a loophole that people have found a way to exploit and I’m glad they are closing that loophole. Lots of Disney planning sites and bloggers explain how to work it that way and even encourage it. I’m sure it is a small number, but there are certainly people who do it and it IS possible to do it the way I’ve described on various combinations of rides.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Ok sure, then switch FOP and NRJ in my example for TT and Soarin. The point is that there is a loophole that people have found a way to exploit and I’m glad they are closing that loophole. Lots of Disney planning sites and bloggers explain how to work it that way and even encourage it. I’m sure it is a small number, but there are certainly people who do it and it IS possible to do it the way I’ve described on various combinations of rides.

definitely - and I am sort of glad they are closing that loophole as well (I never used it - admittedly partly because I assuming that with my luck I would be the one that the CM does check that everyone in my party had the FP).

Only part of the new program I am not a fan of is the 1 hour return window rumored to be part of it vs the much longer window the current program allows as the added flexibility is nice. But we will adapt I am sure

 

[mom2rtk]

Doesn't TSL have 2 tier 1 attractions? I guess 3 when you include TSMM. I think that's what's driving the change at this time. They need it fixed before TSL opens.

 

[DizneyMommy]

I do understand that the of FP had the potential to be abused, but the new system where everyone has to have the FP means that parents with small children (not babies too young to care, but children to small to do the rides) will have to choose between RS and making the little kids do a crap ton of waiting. If they use RS on FPs, the kid is going to be waiting for a long time for both parents to ride back to back (which is likely to be 15 minutes or so per rider, since there's usually at least some wait for the FP line), and then having to wait standby for the rides s/he wants to go on.

Right now, the system will allow, say, Mom and Big Brother to get FP to 7DMT while dad and 3-year-old get FP to Peter Pan, then Dad rides afterwards with Big Brother on 7DMT. Yes, it does mean Dad gets to do two rides and Big Brother gets to do 7DMT twice. But if Dad has to get his own 7DMT FP, then 3-year-old doesn't get to use her FP because she's too young to reasonably go on Peter Pan or anything alone.

It just seems to me that the old/current system was a good way to make sure the whole family could get a few low-wait rides in. I think it would be pretty stressful for one parent to try to entertain a little kid for 15-20 minutes while the first parent rode, and then the second parent had to do the same, and the little kid is basically spending 30-40 minutes waiting and not getting to go on anything.

It is not part of the new system, it has always been a rule that all riders need a FP to get a RS if the first party has them, it was just not always enforced (or enforced at all)

This “new system” is the way it has worked at DL for a long time and we have no problems with using it as it is and following the rules. You adjust, you plan, and you make it work. We have never in 13 years of kids once taken a RS and used it later, nor double dipped FP and RS, and I don’t feel that my too-short child is missing anything. We share the trip, some big rides, some small rides, we all ride or stay together as a family, and when we RS we find fun ways to keep too-short child busy. Either a nearby standby line, snack, potty break, nearby entertainment, play a game, etc. It is what you make of it!

 

[rteetz]

Doesn't TSL have 2 tier 1 attractions? I guess 3 when you include TSMM. I think that's what's driving the change at this time. They need it fixed before TSL opens.

Yes 3 tier one attractions. Everything else in DHS is tier 2.

 

[mom2rtk]

Yes 3 tier one attractions. Everything else in DHS is tier 2.

I just don't see any way they could leave RS the way it was with this opening.

 

[Krandor]

I just don't see any way they could leave RS the way it was with this opening.

Especially when you consider TSL is likely going to attract a lot of shorter kids so a lot of possibilities for some to abuse the system.

 

[ArwenMarie]

It's just insanity that they built this "kiddie" land for Toy Story with two more rides with height restrictions. It should have gotten a nice Omnimover and a water play area. Something like that

I agree that TSL probably forced their hand with this. It's possible that the FP lines would have just broke if they left RS the way it was.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

It's just insanity that they built this "kiddie" land for Toy Story with two more rides with height restrictions. It should have gotten a nice Omnimover and a water play area. Something like that

I agree that TSL probably forced their hand with this. It's possible that the FP lines would have just broke if they left RS the way it was.

Fully agree - I get the idea with the family coaster being a draw but no reason the 2nd new attraction couldn’t have been something with no height restriction

 

[OSUZorba]

It's just insanity that they built this "kiddie" land for Toy Story with two more rides with height restrictions. It should have gotten a nice Omnimover and a water play area. Something like that

I agree that TSL probably forced their hand with this. It's possible that the FP lines would have just broke if they left RS the way it was.

What's really nuts is when it opens there will only be one non-height restricted ride in DHS, once everything is open it's still only be 2 of 9 without a hieght restriction.

 

[ClapYourHands]

Disney really needs more play areas for little kids. If they have to wait while other family members do the height-restricted rides, Disney should at least provide them with something fun to do.

And I agree that there's no good reason Disney couldn't make more rides for the whole family to enjoy in DHS. When we went to WDW a few years ago, our littlest was an infant, and our older kids were newly 6 and 7 (too short for Rockin' Roller Coaster, and too scared for Tower of Terror). We skipped DHS entirely because there just wasn't enough we could all enjoy as a family to make it worth one of our vacation days.

 

[ArwenMarie]

What's really nuts is when it opens there will only be one non-height restricted ride in DHS, once everything is open it's still only be 2 of 9 without a hieght restriction.

That’s so nuts

One could even say it’s going to make things worse by attracting a whole bunch of families with little kids

 

[jlwhitney]

That is absolutely ugly. I just read that whole thread. Unfortunately it is locked so I can’t put my two cents in. That is shameful, I’m sorry. They outright cheated and lied to get that NRJ FP. What a great example they are setting for their kids.

I can’t image there are that many people actually doing this because most of us have morals and follow the rules. That wasn’t even a loophole, Dad flat out cheated when he asked for a RS for a nonexistent scared/too-small child.

Sadly people cheat the system at Disney all the time: fudge kids heights with things in shoes and such, say their 4 year old is still under 3, change 10 year olds birthday so they are 9 at disney and so on and so on. Sadly so many people don't care what example they are setting for their kids.