RFID door locks

[cmwade77]

DVC very much wants to stop those using SSR buses to get to their cars at Downtown Disney. So yes this could happen.

Maybe only at park closing time when there are no restaurants at SSR open for them to use or shops either.

One of the main reasons SSR buses take so long at park closing to get guests to their rooms is they dispatch buses based on room occupancy. If there are more people riding than staying there, it is just a mess. And members are paying for that service.

If some of these freeloaders, that are not shopping, not dining but simply using the SSR bus system to avoid paying to park, have to start taking a taxi to get back to their cars then yes, it would be a good thing for Disney.

For one thing all those cars left at DD all day are keeping people away that want to spend money shopping and dining. Disney is losing revenue from these people because they are not paying to park at the theme parks.

And it would cut down on complaints at SSR.

Have you ever stayed at Congress Park and seen how many people get off at that stop at park closing and walk to DD, it is a lot.

There is a solution that is even easier, charge for parking at DTD, they do it out here in California. And make sure that the full day price is three times that of the one day parking pass price. This would generate more revenue and solve this issue.

I can tell you that if there is a long line when we go to leave and it looks like this is being done, I will talk with the transportation supervisor.

My question is what is Disney doing to stop people from having one of those handheld readers that just need to get within 10-15 feet to copy the RFID information within about 1 second and then using that to either enter their room or charge stuff to their room without their permission? I would imagine the latter one would get sorted out eventually, but the first one could result in a lot of stolen property. And in case you are thinking that since the room numbers are not on the card it would be hard to enter their room, but since many people have packages delivered, all that has to be done if for a dishonest CM to see the number or for there to be someone nearby when they are filling out the paper for delivery to see it.

 

[spiceycat]

the new locks are at BLT - love it! and they were putting them in at AKV (jambo house) when I checked out last week

 

[n2mm]

In case it wasn't mentioned, they were also at the VWL when we stayed there in late August. They worked great....just like on the cruise.

 

[Waddler]

My question is what is Disney doing to stop people from having one of those handheld readers that just need to get within 10-15 feet to copy the RFID information within about 1 second and then using that to either enter their room or charge stuff to their room without their permission?

Great question! I want to know, too.

Seems like it would be all too easy for someone to wander around one of the resorts until they catch someone exiting their room. Couldn't they do a quick scan as the room occupant walks by, and then enter the room?

 

[PoohsFan1]

We are staying at the beach club villas and they changed our door with new rfid locks this morning while we were at the park. Our key cards were a multi colored blue color. They already have the chips in then as we didn't have to get new cards to use the new locks. They are very nice as you don't have to take them out of a plastic holder to open the door.

We just returned from our stay at BLT last Sunday and they already had the RFID locks installed. We were really impressed with them and how easy it was to use. The only problem we ran into with the locks was that DH's card would not work on the first day, but everyone else did. So he simply went downstairs to the new check-in desk and they printed him out a new key that worked. It is going to be a great addition to all the resorts once they install them all .

 

[disneynutz]

Great question! I want to know, too.

Seems like it would be all too easy for someone to wander around one of the resorts until they catch someone exiting their room. Couldn't they do a quick scan as the room occupant walks by, and then enter the room?

To open your door you need to tap the card against the reader. That means a skimmer would need to come in contact with your card.

Bill

 

[spiceycat]

To open your door you need to tap the card against the reader. That means a skimmer would need to come in contact with your card.

Bill

I did not have to - except for the CR entrance. the door only had to put it near it.

 

[Waddler]

Yeah, I bet they're using passive (non-battery-powered) RFID tags... so the reading distance would depend on the reading device.

I'm sure WDW has thought through the security issues. I'm just curious what they've done. (I need a little reassurance that their system is safe-ish!)

 

[tjkraz]

The only thing we know for certain is that purchases over $50 require entry of a personal PIN code in addition to tapping the RFID room key. To date Disney has not provided details on security measures instilled in the door lock mechanism and may never do so.

No system is foolproof and there is some inherent risk whenever technology is utilized. Credit card numbers can be stolen whenever given to the server at a restaurant. Mag stripe cards can be lifted and / or locks cracked.

Anyone aimlessly wandering hotel corridors would catch the eye of resort security. If you're really worried about it, take matters into your own hands and buy an RFID-proof enclosure for the card. If your only exposure is the 2-3 seconds it takes to remove the card and tap on the door entry panel, I think you're pretty safe.

 

[Waddler]

Anyone aimlessly wandering hotel corridors would catch the eye of resort security.

Eh, I'm not convinced. What if the thief was wearing a mickey t-shirt, carrying a refillable mug, and concealing the scanner in a backpack?

I agree that the risk is small... but it's worth acknowledging.

 

[erionm]

Eh, I'm not convinced. What if the thief was wearing a mickey t-shirt, carrying a refillable mug, and concealing the scanner in a backpack?

I agree that the risk is small... but it's worth acknowledging.

If the RFID readers at WDW work the same as the ones on the DCL Ships, they need to be placed against the reader to work. Unless that person comes into physical contact with your KTTW card, I doubt they are going to get the data from it.

 

[spiceycat]

Eh, I'm not convinced. What if the thief was wearing a mickey t-shirt, carrying a refillable mug, and concealing the scanner in a backpack?

I agree that the risk is small... but it's worth acknowledging.

not really - only half (more or less) of security guards look like security guards - the rest are dressed like resort CM or even tourist - so really think any thiefs who tried this would be caught.

 

[tjkraz]

Eh, I'm not convinced. What if the thief was wearing a mickey t-shirt, carrying a refillable mug, and concealing the scanner in a backpack?

I agree that the risk is small... but it's worth acknowledging.

Well, I'm not sure how much comfort you're going to get from a Disney discussion board. The locks are being installed property-wide and if you were checking-in tomorrow at a resort which has already been converted, you wouldn't have any choice.

Sure there's a risk but that's the case with any technology. Again, is this any riskier than handing your credit card over to a smiling stranger at Applebees?

As for security, yes I do think that even someone dressed in a Mickey t-shirt would draw attention after a relatively short period of time if there was no clear purpose to his movements.

 

[Waddler]

not really

I think we can agree to disagree about what's worth discussing.

It's just a different set of risks.