Revisiting the pharmacist/birth control script refusal debate (sort of)

ladyjayhawk said:
Are you kidding me? Moral beliefs do not equal demeaning women. In my state there are several FEMALE pharmacists working to ensure that all pharmacists here retain the right to refuse to a fill a prescription based on religious/moral beliefs.

What is so moral about not giving a woman BCP pills? :sunny: What about the women who use them to regulate ovulation, like some have stated? Do these pharmacists ask them to explain why they need them. If so, that violates their code of ethics. Ugh! :rotfl:
 
Figment said:
so, being opposed to birth controll = demeaning women.

Yes it is, because as it has been stated over and over again, birth control pills are not prescribed just to prevent pregnancy. For a pharmacist to judge that all women using these must be doing it for immoral reasons and therefore no woman should be allowed to have them, is demeaning to women.
 
You know, what I would like to know is if the pharmacists in question always refused to fill a script for BC pills or if they only did it with certain people?

I mean, BC pills are a very common script. Are these pharmacists brand new to the field or just had an epiphany one day and determined it wrong?
 
poohandwendy said:
You know, what I would like to know is if the pharmacists in question always refused to fill a script for BC pills or if they only did it with certain people?

I mean, BC pills are a very common script. Are these pharmacists brand new to the field or just had an epiphany one day and determined it wrong?

I can't answer for the pharmacists in question, but the pharmacists I know (and many are female), will not dispense BC or the morning after pills for all patients and have done so since they began practicing. But all of them give the script to another pharmacist to fill or are willing to refer to another pharmacy. The cases you see in the news are the extreme.
 

poohandwendy said:
You know, what I would like to know is if the pharmacists in question always refused to fill a script for BC pills or if they only did it with certain people?

I mean, BC pills are a very common script. Are these pharmacists brand new to the field or just had an epiphany one day and determined it wrong?

That was exactly my thoughts. BCP have been legal for almost 50yrs. It's not like they didn't know they'd have to fill this prescription.
 
I can't answer for the pharmacists in question, but the pharmacists I know (and many are female), will not dispense BC or the morning after pills for all patients and have done so since they began practicing. But all of them give the script to another pharmacist to fill or are willing to refer to another pharmacy. The cases you see in the news are the extreme.

Are you a pharmacist? To know many female pharmacists who will not dispense BC or birth control pills - between the "many", the "female", and the "will not dispense," you must either be one, or through some extraordinary stroke of fate, you must know virtually every pharmacist in Kansas.
 
minniepumpernickel said:
How do people who are opposed to birth control live their lives? Do they just marry really young and keep pro-creating until they can't anymore? If so then why don't we see more families with 10 or twelve kids like we did in the past.

:)


Minnie,

There is alot of material out and avaiable for natural family planning. I have been reading and doing quite a bit of research to see if this where I want to go with my life. Right now I do use birth control pills but in the future plan to start a family and want to get my system regulated to natural family planning.

From what I have been reading about it and I'm going to use Catholics right now without ripping on them. Catholics don't belive in bc because they believe it interferes with the marriage covenant with God. This means that bc isn't a natural form and could potenitally get in the way of God's will. (No, I don't belive that since I was a pill baby). Supposedly and I don't know if this is true but familes who use natural family planning have less than 1% divorce rate among every 1,000 couples. It's supposed to make a couple grow closer by having some refrain during specific times of the month and finding other means of being intimate and close. If you want some suggested reading materials I would be more than happy to reccommend some.
 
minniepumpernickel said:
How do people who are opposed to birth control live their lives? Do they just marry really young and keep pro-creating until they can't anymore? If so then why don't we see more families with 10 or twelve kids like we did in the past.

I remember my grandmother saying that it was common in the old days to have one or two children die really young because of the health care issues, etc. Or to be born stillborn. Women must have gone through so much back then.

Having choices today seems like the best option. What do you think? :)

we have 3 kids, no birth control, married 10 years. Won't have more. I am living my life quite nicely. It is about self-control...& our love life is fantastic. I am not opposed to birth control, but don't act like it is a) a right, & b) impossible to live a "normal" life without it.
 
But for some people it's absolutely impossible to live a normal life without bcp. How is it ok to deny them that?
 
Figment said:
we have 3 kids, no birth control, married 10 years. Won't have more. I am living my life quite nicely. It is about self-control...& our love life is fantastic. I am not opposed to birth control, but don't act like it is a) a right, & b) impossible to live a "normal" life without it.

Birth control is not a right? :confused3
 
chobie said:
Birth control is not a right? :confused3

I'm sorry...it must come after the right to pursue happiness. I was absent that day.
 
Maleficent13 said:
No, the pharmacist should not fill it if it would be harmful to the patient filling the script. But as someone else already pointed out, in that case the pharmacist would contact the doc, explain the potential situation, and get a new script from the doc that would not be harmful to the person filling the prescription but achieve the same effect as the original prescription. Thus all the customer's needs have been fulfilled by the pharmacist.

But if the Dr. maintains that the prescription is valid? Refuses to make a change? The pharmacist has the right to refuse the prescription. There are drugs not stocked because the pharmacist does not feel they are safe. If you don't carry it, you can't fill the prescription.

Maybe the moral/ethical pharmacists should open an independent store, and simply not stock BC pills. They could be obtained by mail order, or by traveling to another pharmacy.
 
Figment said:
I'm sorry...it must come after the right to pursue happiness. I was absent that day.

I believe you do have the right take any and all medication legally prescribed by your doctor.
 
Figment said:
we have 3 kids, no birth control, married 10 years. Won't have more. I am living my life quite nicely. It is about self-control...& our love life is fantastic. I am not opposed to birth control, but don't act like it is a) a right, & b) impossible to live a "normal" life without it.


I honestly don't mean to get personal, and I am sure that you are just the nicest person. :) So are you saying that after ten years your marriage will become celibate and thats why you won't have any more kids?

Oops, I misread, you are not opposed to Birth control. So how is it possible to NOT procreate without it? I mean if the couple does have sex? Should they just keep having kids?

It is our right. :)
 
(grabbed from another thread...)

Chobie said:
Since this is a no debate thread I want to vent about the pharmacist BS.
I think we can all agree that is about controlling womens' fertility. I willing to bet that the same pharmacists that would refuse to fill BC would have no problem filling Viagra and wouldn't even think twice about if the man was married or not. And yes, there are women out there who want to control other women's bodies as well. After all it says in the bible we women are supposed to suffer because of Eve.

Anyway, just had to vent.

Selective morals? Sure, why not?

Control freaks? Perhaps, but not always.

I'm against abortion *NOT* because I want to exert some sort of control on women just because I'm a control freak, I'm against it because I want protection for the other life inside her. I consider it a life, other see a clump of cells.

T
 
I will admit that there is a little bit of bias on this thread. I certainly associate a pharmacist who would act this way with scary evangelical beliefs. I come from a place where having many children without sufficient financial resources, because "this is what God wants", is seen as a relatively trashy and selfish thing to do, whereas birth control is seen by many as a savior of women and their goals/dreams, for what it's worth. This is where a few of the earlier posters are coming from with the "deny birth control = demeaning to women" point of view.

I actually just talked about this with my grandmother, Grandmere - she's 75. She was the first female five-time Jeopardy champion. She's brilliant. She got a degree in 1949, got married, and had six kids with an alcoholic before she became a subject in one of the first clinical tests for BCP, back when it had something like ten times current hormonal levels. She was desperate for a safe method to stop having kids. In raising all of these kids and managing a family that held on by a string, she was never able to have a job or go to graduate school, either of which I know she would've loved. She feels that she was in the last generation of women for which uncontrollable fertility curtailed most dreams/goals that take place outside the house. I think deep in her heart, if she'd been born today, she might've gone into academia and never had kids at all. The gift/power that birth control gives me as a woman to set my own destiny - for someone to deny me that, over the orders of myself and my doctor, and inconvenience me for the sake of their moral comfort, is actually fairly offensive. It's not the hallmark of a civilized people, I guess you could say.

There is the sense that the cross-wavers who live more like the way women HAD to live in 1900, packing many kids into a small house, with unstable incomes and unpaid bills, are putting their families and their kids at a huge disadvantage, and are in a sense turning their backs on a hundred years of feminism and medicine in favor of religious adherence to procreation. This is made more amusing by the fact that Jesus felt no command by God to procreate, did he.

Another point: you don't see that "big family stigma" when there's a common belief in the community that the family that had all those kids can afford them. Can you think of the family in your town with a lot of kids and a lot of money? Do you think of them differently than you might if they were collecting benefits from the gov't? There's a sense that those women say "God wants this" because all of those babies give them a sense of purpose in their lives, more of a personal gain and automatic identity than most of them might be willing to confess. In short, you get the luxury to say no to birth control when you have cash and resources to cope with the consequences. These pharmacists know nothing about that for any of the individuals that they deny.
 
Supposedly and I don't know if this is true but familes who use natural family planning have less than 1% divorce rate among every 1,000 couples.

I would love to know the origin of this one. Please advise.
 


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