Revelations Question - Does not reflect my views

[luvmy3]

No, I do not believe that Barack Obama is the anti-Christ.

But, reading the body of that post...listing all the attacks etc. perpetrated by Muslim extremists in the past 30-ish years...my goodness, we've been fighting them for a long time, haven't we????

I have to agree, that was the most concerning part of the email IMO, not accusing Obama as being the anti-Christ.

 

[soupy11]

There is a preacher who is a friend of mine, and he said that Revelation does not give the age of the Antichrist, and neither does any other book in the Bible.

He said that the only thing the Antichrist must be is a descendant of Abraham, which would be Jews and Arabs.

Or anyone who has mixed blood in their veins! So, pretty much anyone?

 

[JimmyPicker]

Or anyone who has mixed blood in their veins! So, pretty much anyone?

The preacher said that the false Messiah will appeal to Jews, so the Antichrist (in his opinion) will probably be part Jew, part Arab.

 

[Chuck S]

Let us not forget there are "Christian" terrorist organizations as well. Even the KKK claims to be a Christian organization.

 

[JimmyPicker]

Let us not forget there are "Christian" terrorist organizations as well. Even the KKK claims to be a Christian organization.

It's true. Anything labelled "extremist" isn't normally good.

You have anti-abortion extremists, bombing clinics and things.

People shouldn't be scared of Muslims. It's the extremists (in whatever arena, not just religion) that you should be leary of.

 

[tedhowe]

Also... as to the list of attacks, most of them may be true and accurate, but the first one is incorrect.

From what I can find online, Sirhan Sirhan is not, was not at the time of the assassination of RFK, and never has been a Muslim.

The notion that he might be did not come into popular misconception until after 9/11.

Starting off with an easily verifiable falsehood casts the rest of the email in a doubtful light, in my opinion.

 

[soupy11]

Let us not forget there are "Christian" terrorist organizations as well. Even the KKK claims to be a Christian organization.

And to show balance, Hinduism also has it's share of mass murderers and evil humans.....see the anti-christian pogroms in Orissa......

Inquisitions. Witch trials. Anti-Jewish pogroms led by Christian fundamentalists and extremists. Colonization.

The world has seen enough extremism. To single out one group is really unfair, I think.

 

[Disney Doll]

I could easily make a list for every major religion that would turn your hair white! Muslim's have not cornered the market on fundamentalism and extremism, that's for sure.

I am quite well aware that each religion has its extremists.

But I was not aware that every religion had so many representatives of it that perpetrated attacks and crimes (in our "modern" era) such as those outlined in the OP. The witch trials and Inquisition...well, they were a bit too long ago for me to consider them part of the our more "modern" era. The world was quite different back then.

The OP seems to refer to things that were perpetrated by Muslims extremists since the 1960's. If you have some sort of information about similiar types of acts perpetrated by other religious/cultural extremists which mirror the scope or scale of what the Muslim extremists have done since the 1960's, I'd be very interested to see it.

 

[Disney Doll]

Let us not forget there are "Christian" terrorist organizations as well. Even the KKK claims to be a Christian organization.

Indeed.
But have the committed as many attacks as listed in the OP. And have any of their attacks been on as large of a scale???

 

[Disney Doll]

Also... as to the list of attacks, most of them may be true and accurate, but the first one is incorrect.

From what I can find online, Sirhan Sirhan is not, was not at the time of the assassination of RFK, and never has been a Muslim.

The notion that he might be did not come into popular misconception until after 9/11.

Starting off with an easily verifiable falsehood casts the rest of the email in a doubtful light, in my opinion.

But, as far as the rest of them are concerned, I think the information is correct, at least based on what I remember of most of these events, which have happened in the course of my lifetime.

 

[ConcKahuna]

Indeed.
But have the committed as many attacks as listed in the OP. And have any of their attacks been on as large of a scale???

You should read up on the Irish War of Independence some time. There are people who consider the I.R.A. one of the largest terrorist groups in the world.

 

[Disney Doll]

You should read up on the Irish War of Independence some time. There are people who consider the I.R.A. one of the largest terrorist groups in the world.

And I agree with them.

So there is one group who has as much involvement as Muslim male extremists.

 

[Chuck S]

Indeed.
But have the committed as many attacks as listed in the OP. And have any of their attacks been on as large of a scale???

Scale is probably irrelevent to those affected.

but since you asked:

Murrah Federal Buidling - 1995 - 163 deaths-Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols members of "Christian Patriots" group.

Olympic Park Bombing - 1996 - 1 Death attributed to bomb, others to heart attacks

In 1985 Rev. Mike Bray, the "chaplain" of the Army of God, was convicted of destroying seven abortion facilities in Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, and the District of Columbia, causing damages of over $1 million. Rev. Paul Hill, an associate of the Army of God, shot and killed Dr. John Britton in Pensacola, Florida in 1994. James Kopp, a member of the Army of God, shot and killed Dr. Barnett Slepian in 1998.

In 2001, at the height of the United States anthrax attacks, more than 170 abortion clinics and doctors offices in 14 states received letters containing white powder and the message "You have been exposed to anthrax. We are going to kill all of you. Army of God.

In August 1999 Buford O. Furrow, Jr., a Christian identity activist and member of Aryan Nations, carried out the Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting, injuring three little boys and two female workers. Authorities quoted Furrow as saying he wanted his act to be "a wake-up call to America to kill Jews."

The Ku Klux Klan consists of many subgroups who have individually carried out terrorist acts. One example is the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, who in 1998 were found guilty of burning a 100-year-old black Baptist church to the ground.

 

[raysnkaysmom]

Also...when you think about serial or mass murderers..its the 'common white boy' who does it... Manson, McVeigh, Bundy....

Theres a small group of bad people in every big group of good people...

 

[ConcKahuna]

And I agree with them.

So there is one group who has as much involvement as Muslim male extremists.

That's the thing with most terrorist groups, most of them are very small. The terrorist acts listed before aren't all the act of "The Muslim Mens Group", but various smaller groups or independently. If you took every single terrorist act commited by a white male, you could probably get as good of a list.

That's the misleading thing about these lists. The 2nd largest terrorist attack on US soil was the Oklahoma City bombing. Timothy McVeigh was a white catholic, and former US military. His accomplice, Terry Lynn Nichols, was also a white US mail, and former US military.

Other Americans in terrorist attacks or other mass killings:

• Vernon Wayne Howell (aka David Koresh) of the Waco Massacre
• Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold of the Columbine shooting
• Bobby Frank Cherry, Thomas Blanton, Herman Cash, and Robert Chambliss, KKK members who bombed the 16th street Baptist Church in Birmingham, AL
• Triston Jay Amero and John Scheda of New Orleans who bombed 2 Bolivian hotels.
• Jim Bell of Akron, OH, who set up a system where people could win prizes by assasinating politicians.
• Luke Helder of Minnesota who set up pipe bombs in mail boxes at addresses that would form a smiley face on a map.
• Joseph Konopka (aka "Dr. Chaos") of Wisconsin, who using hacking, arson, and other means shut down power plants, radio and television broadcasts, and pirated software.
• George Metesky (the "Mad Bomber" of NYC) who planted at least 33 bombs in NYC during the 40's and 50's.

 

[soupy11]

Today's extreme group is tomorrow's moderate.....it is all relative to the times. History is full of crimes against humanity committed by one group or another.

They eventually evolve and join the mainstream or fade into obscurity. Muslims are a pretty fragile group and the extremists find them easy to recruit from. Poverty, war, oppression, and other obstacles provide a fertile ground for the recruitment of these individuals.

As far as modern times, check out Rwanda, the anti-christian pogroms in Orissa, Bosnia, etc. It's not hard to find non-muslim extremism out there.

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

These kinds of emails drive me batty. First of all, at no point does the Bible give any defining details of the antichrist. In fact, what we are reading is an imperfect translation of several ancient languages that are either no longer spoken or are have been modified. (Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew). Add to that the Revelation of John is apocalyptic and makes substantial use of imagery and symbolism that would have made sense at the time (though not as much sense to us today), and you're on shaky ground trying make any hard and fast conclusions.

Not to mentinon, Obama is not even Islamic! It's people who spread around stuff like this that give Christians a bad name.