retirement, what's your magic number?

Hmm, I think it gepends on a lot of variables. Is your house paid off? Etc... We could live on a third of what we make if we downsized our house. I think the 80% is way high. We don't spend that now.
I totally agree that the variables make these figures questionable. You can't pop numbers into a two-minute equation and expect to get a quality answer.

Using myself as an example, these factors weren't considered:
- My mortgage is paid-off; thus, my cost of living is greatly reduced.
- I am 2/3 of the way to earning a pension that's as sure as anything is these days; yes, I'm a bit worried about it, but there's nothing I can do to make it 100% certain.
- The women in my family tend to live a looong time; thus, I need to be prepared to support myself a long time in retirement.
- We've always been frugal, and I expect that when we retire we'll actually live week to week on LESS than we do now (the kids'll be gone, we're going to downsize our house, we'll have only one car, and we'll have time to do more things like growing vegetables).

Each of these things alters my retirement number a bit!
I tell you one thing, my Dad "technically" lives off of SS income. He owns his (very nice) home outright, as well as owning his (very very nice!) car. SS takes care of his monthly expenses, he only needs to spend his income off his retirement investments for fun stuff like vacations or upgrades to his house (he just remodeled his perfectly good kitchen, for example).
That's our goal too: Use my pension and our social security to pay our bills, and reserve our savings for necessary but out-of-the-ordinary expenses (like a new car) and occasional vacations.
My Dad died at 64. He didn't do half of what he wanted to do.

That is why my Mom is getting her SS at 62 and is traveling with me next year. We are going on cruises, going to NYC & DC and going to the beach. I keep telling her that I'm not interest in inheriting anything, go ahead and spend it all!
The thing is, you hear stories like this . . . and you also hear stories about people (usually women) who've outlived their savings and who are forced to choose between groceries and medicines.

The only right answer is a balance between saving and splurging, but that's not easy to manage when the number of years you'll live is an unknown!
Retirement? Yeah right. We are 29 and 32 we barely have anything leftover at the end of the month to go towards retirement and we haven't even had kids yet.
Don't count yourselves short just yet. I know that at your age my husband and I were just making it (though we did max out our 401K money every single month), and in our early 30s suddenly everything became so much easier -- which made no sense because we'd added another child to our household. But it was at that point that our salaries really stepped up beyond "entry level", and we started to see the benefit of compound interest working on our side.

Yeah, it's easy to say, "But today's economy . . . ", and there's some truth to that. But every decade has its own issues. We graduated from college in the late 80s, when jobs were easy to find and stocks were paying well . . . but at the same time, home prices were skyrocketing and our first mortgage was at 11.5%. Also, there was great pressure among young college graduates to spend, spend, spend -- credit card debt's nothing to worry about! -- and frugality was something at which to laugh.

What you need to do at your age is focus on making good choices, and know that it'll fall into place -- even if it doesn't seem like it will. Key points:

- Avoid debt
- Max out your 401K every month; something in your budget can be cut, and someone lives on a couple hundred/month less than you do -- you can do it
- Pay something extra towards your house every month
So many of my friends wish they could start a family or stay home with the kids they plan to have, but since their student loan payments work out to more than a modest mortgage, living on one income or taking on the expense of a child just isn't possible. And I suspect for many it will end up cycling around to their children; student loan debt and retirement planning leave no room for college savings, so the kids will have to take out (even larger) student loans to cover their own education. I don't want my kids in that position if we can help it.
This is why I'm fully convinced that the first step in financial security is choosing a college path that DOES NOT include debt.
 
just read in Kiplinger's a simple formula; you should aim to save approx 11xs what you earn. So 550k if you earn $50k. But it doesn't say if they're talking what you earn now or what you'll be earning when you retire. Grrr. Guess there is no such thing as a simple formula
 
We have three children and have paid for 3 college educations and 3 weddings.
We could not afford to save when they were growing up,but by the time they were ready we had more income. My husband worked for the same company for 36 yrs. They were a good company and he enjoyed working there. We had planned on 1 million in 401k. Several years ago there was a big drop in stock market. It took us years to make that up. Well a year ago at the age of almost 60 I had to retire due to health reasons. Totally unexpected! Then within a month,my husbands company had early retirements due to the down turn in their business. They had never done anything like that in 50 yrs. of the company. Totally unexpected! Well God provides. It wasn't in our plan,but we are happy with His. We have another year before SS and things can get tight,but we are taking it as it comes and grateful for it.:hug: Just another thought :idea:It seems most people expect their children to go to college. There are many trades that pay much more than those that require college degrees. I think too many students head off to college because no one looks to see where a child's abilities could take them. Especially here in the south where it is so easy to get into college,schools expect all kids to have that goal. It is such a disservice to children and parents. In America we are loosing talented craftsmen for this very reason. :mic: ok I'm off my soap box.
 
Right now I'm aiming to be semi-retired by the age of 50, My father retired at 50, he's 66 now and hasn't worked since:goodvibes Seems like tax free municipal bonds are a great way to go:cool1: The 1st thing I would have to do is get out of NJ:lmao:
 

My Dh retired 4 years ago and between his pension and SS, he is making the same as when he was working. We also have 250k in retirement accounts that we have not touched since he retired. Our house is paid off and we live comfortably. We take several vacations per year, mostly to WDW, Las Vegas, etc. We don't golf and live a simple rural life in a low cost area of the country. I am currently unemployed and we are enjoying not having to spend money commuting to work, buying lunch, clothes for working, etc.
 
Right now I'm aiming to be semi-retired by the age of 50, My father retired at 50, he's 66 now and hasn't worked since:goodvibes Seems like tax free municipal bonds are a great way to go:cool1: The 1st thing I would have to do is get out of NJ:lmao:

Ha, yes retiring in NJ is very costly. I would like to retire in 15 years but I know that will be tough with 4 kids going to college (hopefully) and 3 weddings to pay for (if they find husbands)

There are still some cheaper places to live in South Jersey as house prices are still lower there then in North Jersey
 
just read in Kiplinger's a simple formula; you should aim to save approx 11xs what you earn. So 550k if you earn $50k. But it doesn't say if they're talking what you earn now or what you'll be earning when you retire. Grrr. Guess there is no such thing as a simple formula

I've seen the "simple formula" from Kiplinger...and I think it only works if you're making 100K or less in household income per year. They're factoring in SS being a percentage of your income in that calculation as well.

Using 100K, you'd need to end up with 1.1 million in retirement. Pulling a fairly aggressive 5% from your income each year of retirement, you get 55K a year. Figure another 25-30K in SS and that gets you to roughly 80% of your income.

As you go up the income ladder, SS remains that same 25-30K per year and you need to make up a larger percentage of your retirement income.
 
I should be retiring when I am 53- but that seems too young, so I'll stay on for another few years. Our house will be paid off by that time, so that will be good, and hopefully we won't have any major expenses except university for the kids!
 











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