Restricted photography between noon and five p.m.

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Originally Posted by YesDear
3:00 huh..... SO that is the time of the afternoon parade!

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Originally Posted by MICKEY88
it depends on the time of year

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Originally Posted by Experiment_626
And where you're planning to watch it.

SSB


And which time zone you're in! :thumbsup2

or which dimension :thumbsup2
 
As for the other stuff, at some point you just gotta move on. I think points that people were trying to make were totally missed. Im pretty sure it was never said that you should not take a snapshot between 12-5...

Ok, I'll beat the horse some more. Poor horse. LOL

The point was raised about what is art photography. And your comment leads me to one more comment for this train wreck of a thread... Who says snapshots can't be art? Who says something has to be visually pleasing to be art? Who is anyone here to put a limitation on what art can be? If scholars can't even agree on a definition for the word I know I'm not qualified enough to say what should not be included in that.
 
I agree if you are only there for a short time find a way to make it work
 
The point was raised about what is art photography. ... Who says snapshots can't be art? Who says something has to be visually pleasing to be art?


Art Photography = William Eggleston :confused3

Different strokes for different folks
 

I'm not a big Eggleston fan myself. But he did have the first color exhibition at MOMA which opened a lot of doors for color photography and I do appreciate the value of his work.
 
Hi everybody. I really didn't anticipate making a controversy with my original question. But thanks for the replies. I certainly understand the reasons behind possibly not shooting during peak sun hours now. And, I have the added subject of photography art interpretation to consider! So thanks to all who replied and I'm sorry if the thread got a bit de-railed. All of you take great photos and I appreciate all of your responses. :goodvibes
 
Hi everybody. I really didn't anticipate making a controversy with my original question. But thanks for the replies. I certainly understand the reasons behind possibly not shooting during peak sun hours now. And, I have the added subject of photography art interpretation to consider! So thanks to all who replied and I'm sorry if the thread got a bit de-railed. All of you take great photos and I appreciate all of your responses. :goodvibes

You have no reason to apologize. We're the ones who screwed up your thread, so I'm sorry if it took a different direction than you intended.
 
You have no reason to apologize. We're the ones who screwed up your thread, so I'm sorry if it took a different direction than you intended.


It just goes to show that people on here sure are passionate about their photography!!
 
I just quickly skimmed through the thread, and Mark B is correct. The position of the sun, which changes as the time of day passes, has more to do with the color and direction of light than it does with its hardness.

There's no such thing as bad light. There's only bad USE of light. Light has many different qualities or properties: color, direction, hardness (size), quantity. The trick to photography is matching up the qualities of light with the subject to achieve your desired look or mood.

Some photographers prefer to shoot at certain times of day because lighting and weather conditions at those times help them achieve the effects they want in the final image. For example, if you want still waters or foggy atmosphere, shoot in the early morning. If you want light coming from a low angle, producing long shadows, and with a cool or warm color, shoot during the early morning or late afternoon. There simply aren't a lot of situations in which direct light from the overhead gives the most pleasing or interesting result. However, sometimes you don't have any choice. If you can't return to the scene, or if the moment you're trying to capture will only happen now, or if it's simply not important enough to you to make a return trek when the lighting is better, then go ahead and take the shot.
 
There simply aren't a lot of situations in which direct light from the overhead gives the most pleasing or interesting result. However, sometimes you don't have any choice. If you can't return to the scene, or if the moment you're trying to capture will only happen now, or if it's simply not important enough to you to make a return trek when the lighting is better, then go ahead and take the shot.

You take the shot if you want the shot. That doesn't mean it was shot in the best conditions. As you said, sometimes you don't have a choice. OK, so you got a shot. That doesn't mean it was the best shot you could have gotten, though.

Let's not use timing constraints as an excuse for our photos. If it's not important enough to go back when the light is better, then we shouldn't expect getting the best result. You may get a nice shot and it's good enough.

Like many others, I said to go ahead and take the shot. Just because you took a shot doesn't mean it's the best shot, though. Not all of our shots are going to be great. That's why so many people know enough to go when the light is great. They go back time and again to the same place until everything comes together and they get the shot they want.

Mediocrity is natural. If you want something better, put in a little effort and work for it.

Think about your best shots. Some of them were intentional and some may have been a fluke that you couldn't reproduce, but you got a good result. Which one makes you happier as a photographer?

Ultimately, the thing I find is the real joy of photography is shooting for myself. If people are truly happy with their own photos, then they don't care what opinion someone shared on the Internet.
 
It just goes to show that people on here sure are passionate about their photography!!
I was going to mention that -- even when we disagree (vehemently), it helps to keep in mind that we're all coming from the same place -- a love of photography.

SSB
 
This has been a fun thread to read and learn from!

To me, the answer to the original question of should you shoot at Disney between noon and 5 pm was answered clearly and definitively in post #47.

I love all those shots in that post ....and in particlular I love the last shot because it evokes the feeling of the hot Florida sun beating down on a brightly lit and beautiful MK. All the shots give me that feeling actually. And that feeling cannot be evoked at magic hour....

To me, a photograph that makes me feel something = art. Edited to add: I should say feel something somehwat enjoyable or nostalgic. If I feel grossed out or depressed or even bored than that's not art, to me. lol.

:)
 
It's been a while since I've seen a thread here so controversial not involving brands, weddings or copyright. :laughing:

MikeandReneePlus5 said:
To me, the answer to the original question of should you shoot at Disney between noon and 5 pm was answered clearly and definitively in post #47.

I love all those shots in that post ....and in particlular I love the last shot because it evokes the feeling of the hot Florida sun beating down on a brightly lit and beautiful MK. All the shots give me that feeling actually. And that feeling cannot be evoked at magic hour....
While I could not agree more that Tom's are gorgeous pictures, I doubt that most of your average, everyday photographers would wind up with shots looking like that in harsh sunlight. Not that it can't be done, but it would most certainly require the higher level knowledge and tools that serious, skilled photographers possess. (And many of those have been touched on by various posters throughout this thread if you read back.)

Personally, I don't put my camera away during those hours, but I know I have to step up my game then (and that it may not always work out). If given a choice (at home, as opposed to WDW), it's probably not the time of day I'm going out shooting. I'd rather have lighting work for me than against me when possible. That's just my personal style and preference because I know my limitations and what pleases me (and displeases me) with the hobby. While I'm in awe of anyone who can master the craft no matter what the circumstance, high noon might not be where I personally want to focus my best efforts.
 
Let's not use timing constraints as an excuse for our photos. If it's not important enough to go back when the light is better, then we shouldn't expect getting the best result. You may get a nice shot and it's good enough.

Again with the light being better... I think we've hammered this into the ground already. That is an extremely subjective statement. It can all be great light and you can in fact get amazing shots in any light. Just because it's not your thing doesn't mean someone else can't make stunning images in full sun in the middle of the day.
 
I'd rather have lighting work for me than against me when possible.

I understand what you are saying...

..and I am really just learning...

but with respect that specific point I quoted above what I was saying was the midday light there does work in favor or the photographer.

i.e. that last picture of Mickey looks better in bright sunlight with the shadpows than it would at magic hour. Same for some of the others. to me of course, I get that it isn't an objective analysis.

Because it captures MK as it is most of the time, and how I feel most of the time when I am there.

In fact, what I have learned from this thread is that I can't wait to shoot some midday WDW stuff for myself when I get back there! So put the camera away? No! :)

all JMO of course.
 
Again with the light being better... I think we've hammered this into the ground already. That is an extremely subjective statement. It can all be great light and you can in fact get amazing shots in any light. Just because it's not your thing doesn't mean someone else can't make stunning images in full sun in the middle of the day.

You know, it's frustrating that you keep trying to twist this subject around. Once again, I invite you to go back and read my original message on this thread. You know, the one where you POUNCED on me while completely missing my point. The one where I first encouraged people to take the shot that means something to them.

If you read the messages from other people in this thread, you'll see that many of them agree that there are times of day when the light is best for the kinds of photos we're discussing. Nobody said that you couldn't get a good shot during midday light (though you keep hammering on that issue). What we said was that the odds of getting a better photograph happen at certain times of day.

So yes, you may have a 0.001% chance of getting a WONDERFUL photo at high noon. Of course, that very same scene may be a thousand times more beautiful at Magic Hour...or a thunderstorm may roll in and screw up what you intended. The point is that your odds of getting a better photo increase when the light is of a better quality.

Nobody said it was impossible to get a great photo in midday light - but most of them aren't great. The shadows are harsh. People are squinting in portraits. The light may be dappled and uneven (as it was in the single photo I've ever seen you post here). Problems abound in midday light.

Does that make sense, or do you want to hurl another insult at me as you did on your previous message to me?
 
I said earlier in the thread: "I'll shoot whenever, but I do find myself shooting less during those hours."

Upon further review (looking at EXIF in Bridge from our last trip), I took far more shots between noon and 5pm than I did during golden/blue/magic hours. During the latter, things like sleep, dinner, and random 'vacation stuff' seemed to get in the way.

It could be said that those who 'settle' for midday photos are content with mediocrity. It could also be said that those who shoot at ANY time of the day are so hell-bent on chasing perfection that they don't need the 'crutch' of perfect lighting and are willing to put in the extra effort to make lemons into lemonade. That is, if your angle is trying to think of this in some abstract emotive way that categorizes photographers into 'lazy' or 'dedicated' based upon what times of day they shoot. ;)

So I'm either lazy or awesome depending on how you look at it. I would like to think that I'm awesome at being lazy.
 
While I could not agree more that Tom's are gorgeous pictures, I doubt that most of your average, everyday photographers would wind up with shots looking like that in harsh sunlight. Not that it can't be done, but it would most certainly require the higher level knowledge and tools that serious, skilled photographers possess.

I think that could be said for the majority of visitors to WDW. I am not basing this on any statistics or known facts, but just a quick look around you in any of the parks or resorts tells me that the majority of people are after quick snapshots, or perhaps some really good ones in many cases, of their family and friends, and the reason for them taking pictures is to record a memory of a good experience that will give them visuals to look back on and remember their time at WDW. Most of the photos I've taken on our trips are like that. I am not a skilled photographer. I want photos of our trip. But even with very little knowledge on the subject, there are times when, unless it's a "get it right now or lose it forever" moment I have opted to leave it because I just know there is no way I'm going to keep whatever the camera records. That brings me to another point, for those who actually delete the very similar images or the ones that aren't what we want: I don't keep them all. I think I took about 5000 photos last trip; I kept less than half of those. Some are really nice (or should I say, I am happy with them), others are photographically borderline disasters :lmao: but they captured a moment in memory that means something to me. I kept those as well. However, with that said, if I am walking around the animal Kingdom and know we are going to be there until 6 pm, I tend not to try get my photo of the Tree of Life at lunch time, because I know that I will get a 'better' (I use this word loosely, because it is a reference to my preference) picture on our way out of the park at closing time. I know that there is far less chance that the 6 pm shot is going to be deleted when I get home.


A Just because it's not your thing doesn't mean someone else can't make stunning images in full sun in the middle of the day.

I do agree with this statement, but I think that is determined by what makes your photo "stunning". If it's a family vacation, pictures of your family having fun are stunning. If you have the time (and the rest of your group has the patience), you seek out different subject matter to take photos of. When I went with my daughter at age 6, the majority of my pictures were of her. As she has grown up a little and I have more flexibility with time and her stamina, I am able to let her sit and have a snack or an icecream while I try and take a different kind of photo. And those are planned and a bit more thought goes into them, including timing. While I don’t necessarily go for a perfect or magical light time of the day, I do consciously try and work those for times when I am not fighting the noon day glare of the sun.

It all comes down to what you want as your end result. I see countless guests walking through the park at a fair pace, they spot something, out comes the phone which they hold up, snap a quick photo and put it away; and all this without even slowing down! Now while I just can't understand that, they may just want something to load up to Facebook to say "I was there." Nothing wrong with that. Is it for me? No. But they are happy with it. So let them have it. But when it comes to better times of the day to take pictures, my opinion (subjective) is that the kind of light is going to affect the end result.


Because it captures MK as it is most of the time, and how I feel most of the time when I am there.

Those are great pictures because they evoke some feeling of emotion, based on memories and reminiscing. Those have a very important place in our home - they always have, and always will.

But what about the photos that make you stop and look at them, even stare at them for ages - because they cause you to feel something; they are filled with mood, passion or emotion; or perhaps a combination of all of those? Those fall into a different category altogether. And this is personal preference, but I love low light shots. I love to feel the mood in there and be drawn into the picture. The ones that cause me to stop what I'm doing and spend time enjoying them .... THAT to me is art. And for me, there has to be the right light and use of it to create that. I'm not going to start another what is art debate. I hope I have been clear in stating that this is what I appreciate in a photo. I don't feel the need to persuade anyone to see things my way because I can choose to keep, look at, save, ignore or delete images as suits my preference. But those that make me feel, not just see, are the ones that will always draw me to them, appear to be the ones taken at the arguably optimal times of the day.
 
Tom, can you share what post processing was done on those photos you posted? Are they HDR's?
 


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