Resort Room Entry-At the discretion of management? Legal?

[WilsonFlyer]

I'm here to get a legal answer to a question that pops up here from time to time on here, usually as a sidebar to another question. Everybody seems to assume that a representative of the hotel can enter and exit our rooms pretty much at any time they want to. I would like to see what legally entitles them to do so, and what law changed that allowed them to change the always present until the change, explicit "DO NOT DISTURB" doorhanger, which, by the way; lived on our door every day of every trip we ever took, and seemed to have been honored except on trash and towel day once per week. BTW, we often left our dirty towels and trash in the hall, and it was exchanged there and I Assume that nobody likely ever entered the room when we did. I never confirmed that. Never had a reason to.

This isn't about hiding anything. This is about thievery in the resorts and the liability thereof and my reasonable right to my privacy, protection of my property, and to not be disturbed during my time in my deeded property (by extension of points).

I'm pretty sure it's in black and white somewhere, but I'd like to see it instead of just following the opinion of the masses. I just want to know that it's not just being assumed to be legal just because everybody says so. That doesn't make anything legal.

 

[lexxus379]

It states in your confirmation email under housekeeping. They inspect every room every day for maintenance, safety, security reasons. I believe it stems from checking for human trafficking.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

It states in your confirmation email under housekeeping. They inspect every room every day for maintenance, safety, security reasons. I believe it stems from checking for human trafficking.

OK. I've clicked on the link in the confirmation email and most links from there and I Can't find anything, much less anything I agreed to. Again, nothing personal. I'm trying to find proof it exists and that we agreed to it.

 

[tobikaye]

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/park-rules/

Under company rights section

 

[Jhondy]

I'm here to get a legal answer to a question that pops up here from time to time on here, usually as a sidebar to another question. Everybody seems to assume that a representative of the hotel can enter and exit our rooms pretty much at any time they want to. I would like to see what legally entitles them to do so, and what law changed that allowed them to change the always present until the change, explicit "DO NOT DISTURB" doorhanger, which, by the way; lived on our door every day of every trip we ever took, and seemed to have been honored except on trash and towel day once per week. BTW, we often left our dirty towels and trash in the hall, and it was exchanged there and I Assume that nobody likely ever entered the room when we did. I never confirmed that. Never had a reason to.

This isn't about hiding anything. This is about thievery in the resorts and the liability thereof and my reasonable right to my privacy, protection of my property, and to not be disturbed during my time in my deeded property (by extension of points).

I'm pretty sure it's in black and white somewhere, but I'd like to see it instead of just following the opinion of the masses. I just want to know that it's not just being assumed to be legal just because everybody says so. That doesn't make anything legal.

First let’s be clear that your constitutional rights like the 4th amendment apply to government actors and government intrusions and not that of a private citizen or business. For example, if I enter your home without your permission, I may have committed a criminal trespassing but I did not violate your 4th amendment rights.

now getting that out of the way, when you reserve a stay at a disney, or any hotel, there is some fine print that you agree to, which includes hotel staff being able to enter your room even if you have a do not disturb sign on the door. So, that gives them legal permission to enter you room.

 

[bobbiwoz]

Thanks tobikaye!

 

[lexxus379]

OK. I've clicked on the link in the confirmation email and most links from there and I Can't find anything, much less anything I agreed to. Again, nothing personal. I'm trying to find proof it exists and that we agreed to it.

I would assume if you didn’t agree to terms and conditions you would cancel the reservation but if you keep it it’s an automatic assumption that you agree to them. I’m not attorney and only guessing

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I would assume if you didn’t agree to terms and conditions you would cancel the reservation but if you keep it it’s an automatic assumption that you agree to them. I’m not attorney and only guessing

Thanks for that. That may be exactly what I'm looking for. At least it gives me something to go from. Thanks again.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

First let’s be clear that your constitutional rights like the 4th amendment apply to government actors and government intrusions and not that of a private citizen or business. For example, if I enter your home without your permission, I may have committed a criminal trespassing but I did not violate your 4th amendment rights.

now getting that out of the way, when you reserve a stay at a disney, or any hotel, there is some fine print that you agree to, which includes hotel staff being able to enter your room even if you have a do not disturb sign on the door. So, that gives them legal permission to enter you room.

I never dragged the 4th into this, and any assumption as such was a misinterpretation on your part for whatever reason. I do know that criminally I have a reasonable right to privacy anywhere I store my personal property and lay my head to sleep. That's what I'm trying to find out. Where the legal lines really are and not just where we assume them to be because that's the way it's always been.

 

[kanerf]

Get yourself a battery powered wifi enabled camera and bring it with you to the resort. Join either to the in-room network or to your laptop. This way you can see whoever enters your room and what they do.

 

[RoseGold]

I actually read the VGF association documents and it’s pretty clear management can do whatever it wants and make up whatever rules it wants to (like this trash rule). The limitations I remember were related to the timeshare declarations, like occupancy or number of bedrooms.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I think I Can make a case that these are not hotel rooms but are rather residences by transference of owned points to a deeded real estate interest. I'm not an attorney, and I don't play one on TV, but I have a pretty good head when it comes to common sense, and it doesn't lead me astray very often.

But I will grant you that document likely trumps anything I can come up with. It is what I've been searching for I think.

 

[RoseGold]

I think I Can make a case that these are not hotel rooms but are rather residences by transference of owned points to a deeded real estate interest. I'm not an attorney, and I don't play one on TV, but I have a pretty good head when it comes to common sense, and it doesn't lead me astray very often.

You can read all the association documents on the website. They’re shorter than I thought they would be. Mouse is in control. Make no mistake.

 

[nuhusky123]

All hotels as a result of the Las Vegas shooting now out of policy make clear your do not disturb does not block management from accessing your room. Marriott, Disney etc all immediately announced such policies.

In fact hotels by policy every so many days, usually three now have policies to check each room

bottom line they are looking for weapons to avoid another las Vegas and quite frankly I agree with this policy. Disney is a soft target

legally you have no leg to stand on


https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/housekeeping-service/Important Information

• If there is more than one room on your reservation and you choose to decline service, your selection will apply to all rooms on the reservation.
• We reserve the right to enter any room at a Disney Resort hotel for maintenance, safety, security or any other purpose, even if the Room Occupied sign is displayed on the room door. View Walt Disney World Resort Property Rules.

 

[CBMom01]

You are a transient occupant of someone else’s property. You don’t really have any right to keep them out of the room.

 

[Narcoossee11]

I'm here to get a legal answer to a question that pops up here from time to time on here, usually as a sidebar to another question. Everybody seems to assume that a representative of the hotel can enter and exit our rooms pretty much at any time they want to. I would like to see what legally entitles them to do so, and what law changed that allowed them to change the always present until the change, explicit "DO NOT DISTURB" doorhanger, which, by the way; lived on our door every day of every trip we ever took, and seemed to have been honored except on trash and towel day once per week. BTW, we often left our dirty towels and trash in the hall, and it was exchanged there and I Assume that nobody likely ever entered the room when we did. I never confirmed that. Never had a reason to.

This isn't about hiding anything. This is about thievery in the resorts and the liability thereof and my reasonable right to my privacy, protection of my property, and to not be disturbed during my time in my deeded property (by extension of points).

I'm pretty sure it's in black and white somewhere, but I'd like to see it instead of just following the opinion of the masses. I just want to know that it's not just being assumed to be legal just because everybody says so. That doesn't make anything legal.

The sign for your door says ROOM OCCUPIED, not do not disturb . It was changed out several years ago.
If you are in your room, flip the security bar. Only way to not get someone to come into room . They will call room to let you in room.

 

[CBMom01]

I think I Can make a case that these are not hotel rooms but are rather residences by transference of owned points to a deeded real estate interest. I'm not an attorney, and I don't play one on TV, but I have a pretty good head when it comes to common sense, and it doesn't lead me astray very often.

I am an attorney, formerly in the hotel industry. While I can’t give you legal advice, I can tell you that “I’m not a lawyer but I could make the case that….” is like saying “I’m not a doctor but I can do that procedure”

 

[WilsonFlyer]

And just for reference and so you all don't think I'm a total idiot (No one is complete!), I knew it had to exist. I just couldn't find it.

 

[CBMom01]

With regard to timeshares, I believe (it’s been a while so don’t quote me) that since the owners consent to the management contract, they consent to the managers rights to enter.

 

[Jhondy]

I never dragged the 4th into this, and any assumption as such was a misinterpretation on your part for whatever reason. I do know that criminally I have a reasonable right to privacy anywhere I store my personal property and lay my head to sleep. That's what I'm trying to find out. Where the legal lines really are and not just where we assume them to be because that's the way it's always been.

I am not even going to argue with you. You clearly don’t understand the law at all or that I gave you an explanation on government vs. private business and clearly explained your contract allows for exactly what you think isn’t legal because they are a private business and not government. I wasn’t making any assumption or saying cause it’s always been that way, I was reading the contract.