Rep.Stark (D) Should apologize!

[Hound 109]

Happens all the time. In fact, happened to my partner and I. He's epileptic and had a grand mal siezure while at work so he was rushed to the emergency room. He hadn't had one in years and years to it was a huge cause for alarm. His boss called me, I rushed down and the nurse refused to buzz me through the doors to see him. I explained to her who I was to him and she wouldn't budge. Kept repeating her homophobic, hateful mantra, "I don't care. If you're not family, you aren't allowed in."

She wouldn't listen. The doors swung open from the other side, I ran through and she called for security, screeching like the ignorant piece of filth harpy she was. Security came, I told them very loudly and her that if they tried to touch me, I'd beat the living crap out of them and that they'd better call the police. Yep, I caused a VERY loud scene. I was panicked out of my mind.

A doctor in the ER came over and asked what was wrong, I calmly told her what was happening. She told the nurse to "get the hell back to her station" and that it wasn't a security issue. The doc, God bless her, saw the absolute panic in my eyes, calmed me down and brought me to Joe who saw the entire thing from his bed. I finally got to hold his hand and he burst out crying out of fear and out of frustration for what he saw. To this day, I get a HUGE flaming ball of rage in my heart. As much as I'd like to forgive, I'd much rather see that witch burn in Hell for the pain she tried to cause and likely continued to cause for other men and women and their partners.

I found out later she was enforcing her own personal agenda onto the situation and that hospital does consider same sex partners as family. She ignored it because SHE felt our relationship was invalid.

So, anyone thinks this crap doesn't happen is absolutely ignorant to what does happen in our society today. And anyone that feels a long term relationship between two consenting adults of the same sex is invalid and should not otherwise be recognized by our government is EXACTLY like those that would deny basic civil rights to the black community in the 40's, 50's, 60's and on.

By the by, Hound, I don't include you in my last paragraph.

Thanks for sharing.

(& Rick, i know.... that you know.... that i know.... )

Back on topic.....

I would rather have a Congressman who mis-speaks four words in a 2 minute speech (that is spot on)....... than have a Congressman (like mine) who voted for a dumb war that has cost us 3800 lives & 700 Billion (with a B) to 1 Trillion (with a T) DOLLARS......just because his misguided President told him to. A president that announced to 1 Billion followers of Islam.... that the US is "on a Crusade".

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Thanks for sharing.

(& Rick, i know that you know that i know.... )

Back on topic.....

I would rather have a Congressman who mis-speaks four words in a 2 minute speech (that is spot on)....... than have a Congressman (like mine) who voted for a dumb war that has cost us 3800 lives & 700 Billion (with a B) to 1 Trillion (with a T) DOLLARS......just because his misguided President told him to.

Stark didn't just mispeak -- and he should apologize. As a Congresssman, he should be able to express his disagreement without making crass, despicable, accusations.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I suggest you give it up. You're trying to reason with people who would likely vote to take away the "right" for people of mixed race to marry if they were allowed to vote on the subject.

I would say statements like this were satirical were they not so predictable and frequent. Your generalizations are inaccurate, and display great intolerance.

 

[NYBlue1]

Everyone is so apauled at cardaways statement but nobody is apauled that couples that have spend lifetimes together are being denyed hospital visits and such.

There was a time , not so long ago where mixed couples were shunned and treated like less , not accepted in churches or society. Its not so long ago in the grand scheme of things.

If you are living this life or have close friends or realitives that are considered "not really in a relationship" "a deviant" "your love is less than heterosexuals" you may not be so fast to jump all over cardaway.

Your not seeing the point cardaway is making , your reading a statement for face value.

 

[Mr Man]

and how did you conclude a poster is the spouse of a wounded vet?

The same way I concluded that you are a member of DVC. It's in the signature. The sig also contains a short remembrance for a soldier who is no longer with us.

I may be off base with this (and am no Sherlock Holmes) but it seems reasonable to assume we are talking about a Dis-er with a wounded veteran spouse at the very least. If my deductive reasoning is accurate, it makes the comments directed to this poster callous, insensitive and uncaring. If I am incorrect & the sticker is there for "awareness" then the comments were simply callous and insensitive.


I too have knowledge of Pres. Bush's visits to military hospitals. I have a close friend who cycled through a D.C. hospital newly missing his left leg a few years ago. He told me that Pres Bush visited his ward late one night. He walked the ward passing out medals. Even cried with someone's family member who was having a tough time. He does this sort of thing outside of the media. Not saying the man is Santa Claus, but he does care about the troops. I can give no proof of this other than it was given as truth to me by a person that I respect greatly and trust implicitly.

Have a nice day.

 

[LakeAriel]

The same way I concluded that you are a member of DVC. It's in the signature. The sig also contains a short remembrance for a soldier who is no longer with us.

I may be off base with this (and am no Sherlock Holmes) but it seems reasonable to assume we are talking about a Dis-er with a wounded veteran spouse at the very least. If my deductive reasoning is accurate, it makes the comments directed to this poster callous, insensitive and uncaring. If I am incorrect & the sticker is there for "awareness" then the comments were simply callous and insensitive.


I too have knowledge of Pres. Bush's visits to military hospitals. I have a close friend who cycled through a D.C. hospital newly missing his left leg a few years ago. He told me that Pres Bush visited his ward late one night. He walked the ward passing out medals. Even cried with someone's family member who was having a tough time. He does this sort of thing outside of the media. Not saying the man is Santa Claus, but he does care about the troops. I can give no proof of this other than it was given as truth to me by a person that I respect greatly and trust implicitly.

Have a nice day.

I think she is just VERY devoted to our troops especially the wounded. I will let her clarify if she wishes.

As for Bush...Guilt maybe? Because he damn well should be! Don't give them medals, bring them home!

 

[DawnCt1]

I too have knowledge of Pres. Bush's visits to military hospitals. I have a close friend who cycled through a D.C. hospital newly missing his left leg a few years ago. He told me that Pres Bush visited his ward late one night. He walked the ward passing out medals. Even cried with someone's family member who was having a tough time. He does this sort of thing outside of the media. Not saying the man is Santa Claus, but he does care about the troops. I can give no proof of this other than it was given as truth to me by a person that I respect greatly and trust implicitly.

Have a nice day.

DH is a Col. in the Army Reserves (Medical Corp). It is well known that President Bush is a 'frequent visitor" to our hospitalized troops. Furthermore, he is very much respected.

 

[Charade]

Everyone is so appalled at cardaways statement but nobody is appalled that couples that have spend lifetimes together are being denyed hospital visits and such.

While nobody actually said they were appalled with Mike's statement (calling it intolerant and/or a gross mischaracterization doesn't automatically mean we were appalled), many people have stated that every couple (married or not,same sex or not) should have equal participation in financial and medical decisions.

Your not seeing the point cardaway is making , your reading a statement for face value.

I don't see it having any more depth than face value because it's a gross mischaracterization.

 

[Mr Man]

I think she is just VERY devoted to our troops especially the wounded. I will let her clarify if she wishes.

As for Bush...Guilt maybe? Because he damn well should be! Don't give them medals, bring them home!

Ok, because she may just be very devotedm perhaps we will remove the uncaring part and just keep the callous and insensitive part. You know, those vaunted twin pillars of rectitude that bring us all together (hey Mr Man, that's sarcasm of a type that reveals ignorance and fear).

As far as the continued animus towards our sitting president, this is their prerogative and is guaranteed by the continuous sacrifices of those in uniform (and those who support them). Way to use their constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech in a way that honors those who came before us. Yay! (ok, that was total sarcasm)

It is sadly apparent to me that whether our troops stay "over there" or come home, there is a distinct sub-set of our population that will continue to denigrate their sacrifice. And why not, when we have earth-shaking issues that affect us all like gay marriage & "they said this, so I HAD to say this back" to discuss after all. (Back off Mr Man, "those who are not amused" will likely not be amused by this)

Jesus wept.......

 

[LakeAriel]

Ok, because she may just be very devotedm perhaps we will remove the uncaring part and just keep the callous and insensitive part. You know, those vaunted twin pillars of rectitude that bring us all together (hey Mr Man, that's sarcasm of a type that reveals ignorance and fear).

As far as the continued animus towards our sitting president, this is their prerogative and is guaranteed by the continuous sacrifices of those in uniform (and those who support them). Way to use their constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech in a way that honors those who came before us. Yay! (ok, that was total sarcasm)

It is sadly apparent to me that whether our troops stay "over there" or come home, there is a distinct sub-set of our population that will continue to denigrate their sacrifice. And why not, when we have earth-shaking issues that affect us all like gay marriage & "they said this, so I HAD to say this back" to discuss after all. (Back off Mr Man, "those who are not amused" will likely not be amused by this)

Jesus wept.......

You mean like Socks the cat?

 

[Mr Man]

You mean like Socks the cat?

Yes, like Socks the Cat, except not really......

 

[yasmina]

DH is a Col. in the Army Reserves (Medical Corp). It is well known that President Bush is a 'frequent visitor" to our hospitalized troops. Furthermore, he is very much respected.

First of all, thanks to your dh for his service.

Second of all, Princess Diana visited lepers and AIDs victims, didn't make her a saint or even an intelligent person (no insult intended, she was the first to admit that she was not and intellectual). So he visits the injured troops in the hospital, so what? How about providing decent health care for all veterans?

My cousin, who is probably as big a *Bush supporter as you, was whining 2 yrs. ago about how their health insurance (her husband was a lifer in the Air Force, a medic in Vietnam, and they live near Pensacola) changed their drug formulary and now their medicines were no longer covered. I bit my tongue (and still have the scars to prove it! ) because it was at my dad's wake, and it certainly wasn't appropriate to point out the hypocrisy of her love for *Bush.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Everyone is so apauled at cardaways statement but nobody is apauled that couples that have spend lifetimes together are being denyed hospital visits and such.

I actually have no problem with same-sex couples having hospital visitation rights and such. And since I come from a mixed race family of origin (as if that matters), I find cardaway's statement particularly ignorant and misplaced in this conversation.

 

[yeartolate]

DH is a Col. in the Army Reserves (Medical Corp). It is well known that President Bush is a 'frequent visitor" to our hospitalized troops. Furthermore, he is very much respected.

I am curious if any of his trips included Building 18 of Walter Reed.

 

[NYBlue1]

I actually have no problem with same-sex couples having hospital visitation rights and such. And since I come from a mixed race family of origin (as if that matters), I find cardaway's statement particularly ignorant and misplaced in this conversation.

I enjoy your posts. No need for you to explain anything to me, you seem like an extreamly fair and honest person. I still think that we have all let our various passions get the best of us on this thread (for lack of a better way to explain that) and are just succeeding in POing each other off without really meaning too. Thats how im seeing it at least

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I enjoy your posts. No need for you to explain anything to me, you seem like an extreamly fair and honest person. I still think that we have all let our various passions get the best of us on this thread (for lack of a better way to explain that) and are just succeeding in POing each other off without really meaning too. Thats how im seeing it at least

Fair enough... I respect and often enjoy your posts as well. Heaven knows the world is better place when people of varying viewpoints can be passionate about what they believe and still have rational discussions. The post I had an issue with came out of left field, and I felt like it needed to be drug out into the light so a stake could be driven thru it.

 

[transparant]

I am curious if any of his trips included Building 18 of Walter Reed.

Nope. They didn't. Whenever high profiles visited the hospital...they were ushered straight to ward 57 - the amputee ward. It had NOTHING to do with Bush, and everything to do with those that ran the hospital. ANy high profile whether it was Bush, Kerry, Cheney, or Murtha were taken straight to ward 57. One of those people stepped down and no longer oversees things at WRAMC.

And...for what it's worth - building 18 is in much better condition now.

 

[transparant]

The same way I concluded that you are a member of DVC. It's in the signature. The sig also contains a short remembrance for a soldier who is no longer with us.

I may be off base with this (and am no Sherlock Holmes) but it seems reasonable to assume we are talking about a Dis-er with a wounded veteran spouse at the very least. If my deductive reasoning is accurate, it makes the comments directed to this poster callous, insensitive and uncaring. If I am incorrect & the sticker is there for "awareness" then the comments were simply callous and insensitive.


I too have knowledge of Pres. Bush's visits to military hospitals. I have a close friend who cycled through a D.C. hospital newly missing his left leg a few years ago. He told me that Pres Bush visited his ward late one night. He walked the ward passing out medals. Even cried with someone's family member who was having a tough time. He does this sort of thing outside of the media. Not saying the man is Santa Claus, but he does care about the troops. I can give no proof of this other than it was given as truth to me by a person that I respect greatly and trust implicitly.

Have a nice day.

Hi Mr. Man - Actually, I am not married to a wounded service member. I am a case worker for our wounded troops. I love what I do and I love those I work with. The statement that I bolded I believe to be true. I personally have seen it with my own eyes.

Oh and about those boy scouts...I'll shoot you a PM on that one