Rep.Stark (D) Should apologize!

[OrlandoMike]

If someone isn't "married" would they then not be "next of kin"?

Could a life partner (of 20+ years) be denied entrance to a hospital bed (or death bead) because of the lack of this kind of basic right?

Yep! Happens every day!

 

[yeartolate]

Prohibition.

Which was the only amendement that was repealed.

 

[ConcKahuna]

The right to vote was acheived through the amendment process, which was certainly the correct thing to do.

And that's exactly what the gay community is trying to do.

Not being able to marry a person of the same sex is not deprivation of rights. There isn't a basic right to marry someone of the same sex.

Until the constitution was changed, there was no basic right of a woman or a black person to vote either.

If someone isn't "married" would they then not be "next of kin"?

Could a life partner (of 20+ years) be denied entrance to a hospital bed (or death bead) because of the lack of this kind of basic right?

My DP was put in the hospital for severe stomach pains a couple of years ago. The doctors refused to let me in to see him, or even to let me know how he was doing since I was not "related." At this point, I had my DP covered under my insurance at work, but even though it was my insurance paying or it they still wouldn't let me know anything.

When he caught a nearly fatal case of pneumonia a few months back, we went to a different hospital and they were much more accepting. Even though by law they technically weren't supposed to let me stay, they let me sleep in the room the whole week with him (those reclining chairs are NOT comfortable by the way LOL) and the docters let me know what was going on every step of the way.

If the new hospital had chosen to keep me in the dark like the first one did, it would have been even more stress for both of us.

 

[NYBlue1]

Not being able to marry a person of the same sex is not deprivation of rights. There isn't a basic right to marry someone of the same sex.

Why is there not a right to marry whoever you want to marry? Its not about the marriage per say, at lest IMO its about picking a life partner , making it a legal union and being able to have all the same rights, good and bad that marriage gives you, civil marriage. The right to be able to make life and death decisions for your partner the right to access of that partner in the hoispital if they are ill the right to have the same tax breaks as married couples, all death benifits that married couples have ect ect ect.

That is no less of the right thing to do that letting women vote or any other example you want to use as the right thing to do. Its nobodies right to tell anyone who they choose to have a family/life with period.

The religions that dont agree with this should not be factored into these decision PERIOD! The only voice they should have is if these couples can or cant be married in their respective places of worship.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Why is there not a right to marry whoever you want to marry? Its not about the marriage per say, at lest IMO its about picking a life partner , making it a legal union and being able to have all the same rights, good and bad that marriage gives you, civil marriage. The right to be able to make life and death decisions for your partner the right to access of that partner in the hoispital if they are ill the right to have the same tax breaks as married couples, all death benifits that married couples have ect ect ect.

That is no less of the right thing to do that letting women vote or any other example you want to use as the right thing to do. Its nobodies right to tell anyone who they choose to have a family/life with period.

The religions that dont agree with this should not be factored into these decision PERIOD! The only voice they should have is if these couples can or cant be married in their respective places of worship.

I totally agree-and I belong to a Church that does not believe in gay marriage. (so I'm not going to have one) As long as the Churches are not forced to marry gay couples if they feel it is against their understanding of Scripture, then what's the problem?
In my reading of the First Amendment, legislating the teachings of any PARTICULAR religion is unconstitutional.

 

[cardaway]

Why is there not a right to marry whoever you want to marry? Its not about the marriage per say, at lest IMO its about picking a life partner , making it a legal union and being able to have all the same rights, good and bad that marriage gives you, civil marriage. The right to be able to make life and death decisions for your partner the right to access of that partner in the hoispital if they are ill the right to have the same tax breaks as married couples, all death benifits that married couples have ect ect ect.

That is no less of the right thing to do that letting women vote or any other example you want to use as the right thing to do. Its nobodies right to tell anyone who they choose to have a family/life with period.

The religions that dont agree with this should not be factored into these decision PERIOD! The only voice they should have is if these couples can or cant be married in their respective places of worship.

I suggest you give it up. You're trying to reason with people who would likely vote to take away the "right" for people of mixed race to marry if they were allowed to vote on the subject.

 

[NYBlue1]

I suggest you give it up. You're trying to reason with people who would likely vote to take away the "right" for people of mixed race to marry if they were allowed to vote on the subject.

Ill never give up cardaway, I understand what your saying, it sure is frustrating but you just cant give up.

 

[Hound 109]

Why is there not a right to marry whoever you want to marry? Its not about the marriage per say, at lest IMO its about picking a life partner , making it a legal union and being able to have all the same rights, good and bad that marriage gives you, civil marriage. The right to be able to make life and death decisions for your partner the right to access of that partner in the hoispital if they are ill the right to have the same tax breaks as married couples, all death benifits that married couples have ect ect ect.

That is no less of the right thing to do that letting women vote or any other example you want to use as the right thing to do. Its nobodies right to tell anyone who they choose to have a family/life with period.

The religions that dont agree with this should not be factored into these decision PERIOD! The only voice they should have is if these couples can or cant be married in their respective places of worship.

Well said.

Denying a gay couple these fundamental rights (by allowing such rules to exist) is discrimination. Politicians should be mindful of this.

 

[RickinNYC]

If someone isn't "married" would they then not be "next of kin"?

Could a life partner (of 20+ years) be denied entrance to a hospital bed (or death bead) because of the lack of this kind of basic right?

Happens all the time. In fact, happened to my partner and I. He's epileptic and had a grand mal siezure while at work so he was rushed to the emergency room. He hadn't had one in years and years to it was a huge cause for alarm. His boss called me, I rushed down and the nurse refused to buzz me through the doors to see him. I explained to her who I was to him and she wouldn't budge. Kept repeating her homophobic, hateful mantra, "I don't care. If you're not family, you aren't allowed in."

She wouldn't listen. The doors swung open from the other side, I ran through and she called for security, screeching like the ignorant piece of filth harpy she was. Security came, I told them very loudly and her that if they tried to touch me, I'd beat the living crap out of them and that they'd better call the police. Yep, I caused a VERY loud scene. I was panicked out of my mind.

A doctor in the ER came over and asked what was wrong, I calmly told her what was happening. She told the nurse to "get the hell back to her station" and that it wasn't a security issue. The doc, God bless her, saw the absolute panic in my eyes, calmed me down and brought me to Joe who saw the entire thing from his bed. I finally got to hold his hand and he burst out crying out of fear and out of frustration for what he saw. To this day, I get a HUGE flaming ball of rage in my heart. As much as I'd like to forgive, I'd much rather see that witch burn in Hell for the pain she tried to cause and likely continued to cause for other men and women and their partners.

I found out later she was enforcing her own personal agenda onto the situation and that hospital does consider same sex partners as family. She ignored it because SHE felt our relationship was invalid.

So, anyone thinks this crap doesn't happen is absolutely ignorant to what does happen in our society today. And anyone that feels a long term relationship between two consenting adults of the same sex is invalid and should not otherwise be recognized by our government is EXACTLY like those that would deny basic civil rights to the black community in the 40's, 50's, 60's and on.

By the by, Hound, I don't include you in my last paragraph.

 

[Christopher Robin]

(Reads thread title, reads thread, re-reads thread title)


How the - did this thread get from the original intent to this point?

If Hillary injured someone, poeple would still say "But yeah, this is about Bush cause he killed someone."

I'm waiting for the lasagne thread turn to Bush bashing, if it hasn't already.

 

[Mr Man]

(Reads thread title, reads thread, re-reads thread title)


How the - did this thread get from the original intent to this point?

If Hillary injured someone, poeple would still say "But yeah, this is about Bush cause he killed someone."

I'm waiting for the lasagne thread turn to Bush bashing, if it hasn't already.

Yeah.......hehe....just got done reading most of it.

I go away for the weekend camping with my Cub Scout Troop and this thread has gone around the bend completely. A fun ride.

How do we get from Rep. Starks poorly chosen words, to a Pesident Bush Hate-Support group, to a group of posters toying with a fellow Dis-er who is very likely the spouse of a wounded veteran (this is most shameful part to me-and you still profess to support the troops and agonize over the combat deaths but cannot find it in your hearts to treat one among us-who has made the sacrifice with due respect......I have no words worth repeating for this), to gay marriage? Gay marriage?

I am all for free-ranging topics but cannot see how to shoe-horn all this into a cogent commentary except to say........ya'll are crazy!

Have a nice day.

 

[wvjules]

Not being able to marry a person of the same sex is not deprivation of rights. There isn't a basic right to marry someone of the same sex.

Is there a basic right to marry someone of the opposite sex? For that matter, is marriage a basic right? Marriage for all or marriage for none! (Adults of consenting age for those that will bring that up.)

 

[LakeAriel]

Yeah.......hehe....just got done reading most of it.

I go away for the weekend camping with my Cub Scout Troop and this thread has gone around the bend completely. A fun ride.

How do we get from Rep. Starks poorly chosen words, to a Pesident Bush Hate-Support group, to a group of posters toying with a fellow Dis-er who is very likely the spouse of a wounded veteran (this is most shameful part to me-and you still profess to support the troops and agonize over the combat deaths but cannot find it in your hearts to treat one among us-who has made the sacrifice with due respect......I have no words worth repeating for this), to gay marriage? Gay marriage?

I am all for free-ranging topics but cannot see how to shoe-horn all this into a cogent commentary except to say........ya'll are crazy!

Have a nice day.

and how did you conclude a poster is the spouse of a wounded vet?

 

[Mr Man]

Completely off topic post (but what isn't on this thread).......

Transparant,

I notice from your signature that you are involved with Operation First Response.

I am a Den Leader for a local Cub Scout Pack here in Houston. We are always on the look-out for community involvement activities. Are you aware of a local chapter for OFR in Houston? I could not get details off of the website (as it is primarily set up for donations). Of course, Tiger Scouts don't have much $, but we do have time and are interested in helping out if you can point us in the right direction.

Please feel free to PM me if you have this info.

Thank you for your family's sacrifice during this difficult period. Do not be distressed by the general tone on these boards. It is not representative of the greater public IMO. Personally, I suspect that some of the more strident voices on these boards (on all sides) are not quite so "over the top" in real life (otherwise, our society would collapse around our ears.......)


All,
Thanks for letting me hi-jack the thread for a few. Please resume the bombardment.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Happens all the time. In fact, happened to my partner and I. He's epileptic and had a grand mal siezure while at work so he was rushed to the emergency room. He hadn't had one in years and years to it was a huge cause for alarm. His boss called me, I rushed down and the nurse refused to buzz me through the doors to see him. I explained to her who I was to him and she wouldn't budge. Kept repeating her homophobic, hateful mantra, "I don't care. If you're not family, you aren't allowed in."

She wouldn't listen. The doors swung open from the other side, I ran through and she called for security, screeching like the ignorant piece of filth harpy she was. Security came, I told them very loudly and her that if they tried to touch me, I'd beat the living crap out of them and that they'd better call the police. Yep, I caused a VERY loud scene. I was panicked out of my mind.

A doctor in the ER came over and asked what was wrong, I calmly told her what was happening. She told the nurse to "get the hell back to her station" and that it wasn't a security issue. The doc, God bless her, saw the absolute panic in my eyes, calmed me down and brought me to Joe who saw the entire thing from his bed. I finally got to hold his hand and he burst out crying out of fear and out of frustration for what he saw. To this day, I get a HUGE flaming ball of rage in my heart. As much as I'd like to forgive, I'd much rather see that witch burn in Hell for the pain she tried to cause and likely continued to cause for other men and women and their partners.

I found out later she was enforcing her own personal agenda onto the situation and that hospital does consider same sex partners as family. She ignored it because SHE felt our relationship was invalid.

So, anyone thinks this crap doesn't happen is absolutely ignorant to what does happen in our society today. And anyone that feels a long term relationship between two consenting adults of the same sex is invalid and should not otherwise be recognized by our government is EXACTLY like those that would deny basic civil rights to the black community in the 40's, 50's, 60's and on.

By the by, Hound, I don't include you in my last paragraph.

This always makes me no matter how many times I have read it I always feel and . I can't imagine not being able to be with my loved one. I probably would have slapped the nurse afterward.

 

[Charade]

I suggest you give it up. You're trying to reason with people who would likely vote to take away the "right" for people of mixed race to marry if they were allowed to vote on the subject.

In all the years that I've been on the DIS, *no one* has ever EVER stated that. I've never heard anyone IRL say that. I'm sure there are still some out there that do believe it I think you've made a gross mischaracterization. Again.

 

[DawnCt1]

I suggest you give it up. You're trying to reason with people who would likely vote to take away the "right" for people of mixed race to marry if they were allowed to vote on the subject.

Let me see if I can follow this now. NYBLUE1 is responding to something I wrote and you wrote the above quote. Through the process of deduction I would assume you are talking about ME!....again. How sweet. Of course you know that there isn't a thread of truth in your statement, but that's never stopped you before. I think the hostility you display towards me is really a "Reaction Formation" because your true feelings produce too much anxiety for you to handle. Can't say as I blame you there!

 

[Camicar]

Could a life partner (of 20+ years) be denied entrance to a hospital bed (or death bead) because of the lack of this kind of basic right?

My mother was a nurse and she spoke of this issue fairly often, actually. She would always allow the partner in -- when she was allowed/not prevented from doing so. Far too often, next of kin who had disowned the patient would be called and would then specifically bar the partner from visiting the patient out of sheer spite or 'principles' or 'morals'. (And sadly, often morals is often just an excuse for spite.) Seeing the partner sobbing in the hallway while their loved one died made a deep impression on her.

 

[yeartolate]

My mother was a nurse and she spoke of this issue fairly often, actually. She would always allow the partner in -- when she was allowed/not prevented from doing so. Far too often, next of kin who had disowned the patient would be called and would then specifically bar the partner from visiting the patient out of sheer spite or 'principles' or 'morals'. (And sadly, often morals is often just an excuse for spite.) Seeing the partner sobbing in the hallway while their loved one died made a deep impression on her.

We have never prevented "partners" in, but I can say our hospital's social worker works like a dawg to help them through the durable power of attorney paperwork so we have a legal representitive for the patient. She has done the same for unmarried "partners" as well. No sense in calling the sister someone hasn't seen in 5 years for consent when there is someone bettter equipt to answer for the patient. Realistically, she has probably done this for more heterosexual couples than homosexual couples.

 

[Fitswimmer]

My mother was a nurse and she spoke of this issue fairly often, actually. She would always allow the partner in -- when she was allowed/not prevented from doing so. Far too often, next of kin who had disowned the patient would be called and would then specifically bar the partner from visiting the patient out of sheer spite or 'principles' or 'morals'. (And sadly, often morals is often just an excuse for spite.) Seeing the partner sobbing in the hallway while their loved one died made a deep impression on her.

My aunt was an ER nurse for over 35 years and she spoke about it too. She ALWAYS let the partner in, and even had some arguments with other staff about it. If she had been on duty at the hospital Joe went to, she would have not only let Rick in, but would have had a real "Come to Jesus" moment with the nurse that tried to keep him out!!