Really sad to see....

[joannamet]

DH and other adult men in our group never sit on the bus unless there are a lot of empty seats. They go straight into the little space near the rear door and lean on the wall there. If the bus gets crowded I hold DD on my lap even though she is 10, or she stands near me. Chivalry is definitely still alive and kickin' on Disney buses.

 

[I'mfarfaraway]

the days of people getting up to let the elderly or small kids have a seat on the bus or boats are gone.... I just returned and not once did I see any offerings, it's sad. And yes I did as a young female offer up my seat anytime I could!

My 12 year old son has some physical disabilities and the whole time we were there last week he was offered a seat on the busses if they were crowded. Some of the offers came from elderly men. I was amazed how wonderful people were to him as just looking at him you can't tell but they noticed my husband hauling the stroller I guess. We encountered many wonderful caring folks.

 

[ls1222]

Again, as if it's not been stated 1000 times before... You don't know if someone has an unseen circumstance, my dh had a hip resurfacing so he sits when possible but you can't tell by looking at him and we have had rude comments made about him not offering a seat.. Luckily, I'm on good behavior at Disney or I would let them have it. If you need to sit so bad wait for the next bus, instead of glaring at those sitting..

 

[chicagogrl]

My husband stood so a pregnant woman with little children could have a seat on the monorail.

 

[Robo]

If you need to sit so bad wait for the next bus, instead of glaring at those sitting..

However, if they waited and got on the next bus and sat down...
why wouldn't THEY have to then get up and give their seats to someone ELSE who boarded behind them?


I thinkin' NOBODY gets to sit.
EVERYBODY must stand.

 

[Disneyholic]

However, if they waited and got on the next bus and sat down...
why wouldn't THEY have to then get up and give their seats to someone ELSE who boarded behind them?


I thinkin' NOBODY gets to sit.
EVERYBODY must stand.

A little bit of sarcasm here, Robo? LOL

When we wait for a bus it is usually because my DH or I or both of us can't stand at that point. I have gotten on standing room only busses early in the day before my legs and hips start hurting. By evening both DH and I start having problems. He has issues from injuries from when he was in the service. Most times he will give up his seat for someone he feels needs it, but when he is hurting I will NOT let him.

How OLD is elderly. I have seen people who look like they are in their 80s who might actually only be in their 50s and have seen people who look like they are in their 50s who may be in their 70s or 80s. So who do you offer your seat to? I have also seen ladies I thought were pregnant who turned out just to have belly fat. How embarrassing for them and you. I would hold the little kids on my lap, but then the parents might think I am creepy. Best not to judge when you don't know someone's circumstances.

 

[Amusement]

yes they do. If you see an elderly person or a mother with a baby the polite thing to do is get up.

And if said person has severe anemia or arthritis? Do you judge them? Unfortunately, I'm dealing with both right now and you wouldn't know anything is wrong with me at first glance. You just can't know why someone is sitting. They may have a health issue or they may just be very tired and both are valid reasons for wanting a seat on the bus. Yes, it's great to offer your seat to someone else. I've both given up my seat and been offered a seat in the past, but it's an act of kindness and should never be an expectation.
I have a trip coming up in a few weeks and we'll be using Disney transportation. I'm planning on walking with lots breaks worked into the day and won't be using an ECV so there will be no visual cues that I am having a hard time getting around and I fully expect there will be times I will have to stand even when I am dealing with some very real health issues. And some of those who make snap judgments about who should and shouldn't give up their seats, would probably never offer me one because I'm not elderly, pregnant, or in a wheelchair. And I don't expect them to do so. If I'm having a rough time, I'll wait for a bus that has room for me to sit, because I also have no clue if the person sitting in that last available seat also really needs it.

 

[glassslippergirl]

In Europe on most public transportation, there are seats designated with the international symbols for the handicapped, elderly, and pregnant. I know it wouldn't solve all of the issues raised on this thread, but perhaps if Disney labeled a few seats on each bus, it would at least serve as a reminder. Someone with an unseen situation may feel more empowered to ask a fellow bus rider to vacate one of these seats.

 

[BadPinkTink]

I ride public transportation daily. It's rare that someone will actually get up unless the person boarding is very elderly, very pregnant or obviously disabled. Women and children, forget it. But in general people do not board public transportation looking to offer up their seats.

I feel as though these threads are started by people who do not take public transit in their regular lives. They blow these things out of proportion. Some people are rude but most people are just tired and need to sit! Being from Manhattan all I do is take public transit. I get up and let elderly and pregnant people sit sometimes because I don't know their situation. I only do this if I'm not in transit to/from work (because I am drained at those points) However at Disney after walking all day and being on my feet longer than I would even be at work (and I'm on my feet at work constantly; I am a RN) I want to sit.

Anyone getting on that bus elderly, pregnant, small children have also been walking all day; why now when they get on the bus are they miraculously so in need of my seat? If they are able to walk in Disney all day why should standing on the bus be so much more off burden for them than for another person?

These threads are ridiculous. If they are well enough to walk Disney all day they can stand on a bus. If not? Wait for the next bus.

@BrittyRo EXACTLY

These threads are sooo over the top and ridiculous. Having lived in London, where 4 million people use the underground train network every day, its just laughable all the grips and moans about the Disney buses. Try using the London tube network at 4pm on a weekday. People will stand at a specific spot on the platform, so that they are at the door when it opens. The object of the game is to literally get on the train. Its everyone for themselves, if you get a seat, wow, thats lucky,the carriages are so crowded that you spend your journey with your face in someones armpit!

Yes we all suffer Disney feet and the heat and walking in the parks makes everyone crabby BUT seriously expecting people to give up seats is just not on. Like PP said, if people have spent the day in the park, with all that walking, standing on a bus should not be such a hardship.

Maybe some people should give up their cars for a week and use the public transport in their home town or city. Maybe then you will not be so critical of a FREE service.

 

[BadPinkTink]

a bit of perspective is needed here.

This is a report about the huge amount of people using the Tube in London. These people just want to get ON the tube, a service they pay for and go home after a days work. Do you really think they are going to give up their seats lol

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...ransport-network-is-at-breaking-10089779.html

Friday March 6 2015

Pictures of an “insane” scrum of passengers at Oxford Circus station are proof of the desperate need to upgrade the transport network, Tube bosses admitted today.

Extraordinary images were captured last night as more than a thousand passengers were locked out of the station by staff trying to prevent dangerous overcrowding on platforms after a Victoria line train broke down.

Transport for London was forced to backtrack after a spokesman said the situation was “nothing out of the ordinary”. As the scale of the chaos became clear, a senior official issued a public apology for the overcrowding.

The station - normally the fourth busiest in the capital with around 125,000 passengers a day - is under extra pressure because Central line trains are not stopping at Tottenham Court Road during Crossrail construction work.

Scuffles broke out as passengers were crammed together on pavements. Dr Glenys Jones, 34, a nutritionist based in Portland Place, said: “It was like the first day of the Harrods sales.

“All four entrances were closed and about 300 people were queuing at each. A Tube must have come in at one point, so a gap appeared. Those at the front of the queue got agitated because people were pushing in from the sides. There was a lot of pushing and shoving.”

Civil servant James Clements, 32, from Brixton, said: “If you aren’t here before 6pm forget about it, you’re going to have to wait. It makes me angry because of the rising fares and yet we are penned in like cattle.”

 

[tikkipoo]

I agree, I like good manners - but I hope you hold the door for people behind you as well. And offer your seat at times too.

Always. What in the world would make you think I wouldn't?

However, if they waited and got on the next bus and sat down...
why wouldn't THEY have to then get up and give their seats to someone ELSE who boarded behind them?


I thinkin' NOBODY gets to sit.
EVERYBODY must stand.

 

[Nancyg56]

They aren't gone. I've seen it every time I've been there. Sometimes we'd offer to get up for others and sometimes others offered their seats to us as well. It's definitely not completely nonexistent. But I'm one who doesn't think it's something to get all that upset about. If I get on a bus with no seats holding 2 kids I'm fully prepared to stand and I don't expect anyone to offer me their seat. If they do I'm grateful, but it's not something I think they should have to do. I always have the option of waiting for the next bus if I want to be able to sit down.

I was thinking the same thing. My family vacations in Disney a lot, and I guess we just notice kindnesses, because we see them a lot. From the busses to the monorail, and then to the parades and shows, people step up to help their neighbors. I just don't get it. If one does not see the kindness does it mean it did not happen??? One example that hit me: I joined a gropu of friends in WDW last October and I brought my neighbor. SHe was deaf the last time she had been, but after her cochlear implant was going to hear Wishes for the first time. To be honest, the trip she had taken prior to our sucked. Anyway, thaat Saturday night is was wicked crowded in the park, and three of us were standing, waiting for the Castle SHow...big surprise for KIm! She was obviously over the moon, and people around us noticed. They would move to the left or right in order not to impede her view, and the "seas" parted when Tink flew overhead. No one asked. No one even suggested anyone give her priority, but these kind people saw her joy and wonder and they made it possible for her to not miss one aspect of the Castle Shows. Nice!

I've never come across someone who felt entitled to a seat but if the person is elderly and clearly has a reason they should sit its a polite thing to do.

Honestly that's a big problem in this country everyone only cares about themselves.

I bet your the kind of guy who when someone holds a door open you say nothing.

Judge much?

 

[Mome Rath]

In different parts of our country we have different cultures and different ways of looking at manners, respect, morals, etc... so reactions are going to differ. Where I'm from we are still taught to look out for the most vulnerable and try to help when and where we can, and that doesn't change depending on the situation or where I am be it New York, London, Disney or my hometown. One of the biggest things is that we treat others the way we want to be treated. Some don't know the gforces and crazy stop-starting that the Disney buses are known for and they feel they can stand when perhaps that isn't such a good idea. I was a little kid at disney, I've also been sick or in pain at Disney and I know what a blessing it was to be offered a seat when no one HAD to do it. I'm hale and healthy and I'm almost bowled over at least once a trip standing on a bus, when I see an elderly individual get on with nowhere to sit I can't stay seated and watch them get thrown around.

 

[goofy4tink]

People are still offering their seats to others. Do all guests do that? No. Should all guests? No. Should anyone 'expect' a seat to be given to them? No.
If you need a seat that badly, either wait for the next bus, take a cab, or rent a car. It's public transit. I refuse to judge anyone who is seated and doesn't offer their seat to anyone else. I have no idea what their situation is. I also tend to believe that karma is a nasty lady...she'll come around and bite you in the tookus when you least expect it. So, sure, sit there and keep you seat..even if you're able to stand.

 

[Nancyg56]

People are still offering their seats to others. Do all guests do that? No. Should all guests? No. Should anyone 'expect' a seat to be given to them? No.
If you need a seat that badly, either wait for the next bus, take a cab, or rent a car. It's public transit. I refuse to judge anyone who is seated and doesn't offer their seat to anyone else. I have no idea what their situation is. I also tend to believe that karma is a nasty lady...she'll come around and bite you in the tookus when you least expect it. So, sure, sit there and keep you seat..even if you're able to stand.

I agree. I think most people use their best judgement and some do not. Kind of like anywhere else, you do your best.

 

[WillAustin]

I thinkin' NOBODY gets to sit. EVERYBODY must stand.

Don't give them any ideas. In a misguided attempt to make things more fair, they might listen to you.

 

[tsme]

I would hope that this sexist mentality is on the way out. Girls can hold doors too, and offer up seats. We are not fragile beings who need big, strong, manly men to do things for us. Next thing, we won't be smart enough to vote, own property, or do anything but cook and breed

Ok. That's offensive and totally not what I meant. The men do not hold open the doors or give up their seats because they think women are too fragile and need them to, nor do they do it because we as women are not smart, etc. They do it out of respect. They would also give up their seat to another man if he was holding a child or seemed to need it. And as a woman, I also hold open doors for others & will give up my seat for someone who needs it more than me. If a woman is offended by the offer of a seat by a man/boy or offended by someone holding a door open for her instead of letting it slam in her face, she has the right to politely decline the seat or step back and let the door close. As for my family, I would never condone my DD dating someone who did not hold doors, give up seats, or walks in front of her leaving her behind. Not because she's not capable of doing things herself or taking care of herself, but because it would show the gentleman in question has a lack of respect for her & no manners.

 

[BLTLDZ]

the days of people getting up to let the elderly or small kids have a seat on the bus or boats are gone.... I just returned and not once did I see any offerings, it's sad. And yes I did as a young female offer up my seat anytime I could!

Honestly, that's not just at Disney. Unfortunately, this is everywhere. There are still good people ! But then there are those that are unaware.

 

[margot31]

A few years ago when I took my husband for the first time we were staying at SOG (which I think has the worst bus system) We were waiting at Ticket/transportation station at 10pm and a but pulled up and they said they were from the animal kingdom and that the bus they were all on had broke down. I looked at my husband and said don't get on the bus allow all those coming off to get on the first bus available. We managed to get a spot but an older gentlemen was sitting and I was standing and he offered me his spot. I kindly looked at him and said Sir no you are welcome to stay where you are. I think he was a little offended but to me I saw the image of him at disney and spending time with his grandkids. I am younger I was 25 at the time and my legs are just fine.

I plan on teaching my son get your butt up for someone else.

 

[Jennasis]

We drive. Problem solved.