ReaIID drivers licenses and TSA/airline travel

[doconeill]

Per yesterday's The Trip and some discussions on Facebook, I checked...

They have not yet announced WHEN the TSA will require RealID-compliant drivers licenses for travel. As I understand it, they could not require it _before_ January 10th, but it could theoretically happen any time this year.

A number of states have an extension until Oct. 2016. If they start enforcing before that, then the TSA will need to differentiate between state DLs...so my bet is that TSA won't require them at all until October.

Here's another catch - even if your state is compliant, they haven't really said anything about whether your particular license is compliant - perhaps you are at the older end of your current license and it doesn't have the required features? How do you know?

 

[doconeill]

Actually, I just found this as the most recent published list by DHS:

http://www.dhs.gov/current-status-states-territories

Most of the new states mentioned on the podcast are now in the "Extension until October 10th, 2016" category.

Minnesota is the only currently non-compliant state (not including non-state territories), with Illinois, Missouri, New Mexico, and Washington to be non-compliant starting Sunday. New Hampshire has until June 1st.

This non-compliance does NOT YET apply to the TSA as I mentioned, and they have promised AT LEAST 120 days notice before enforcement. It DOES apply to other federally-controlled locations, however.

 

[Princess Jes]

What is the turnaround time and cost associated in getting a passport in the states?

The timeframe has significantly decreased in Australia in recent years, often taking less than 4 weeks (and in my case when I changed my passport to my married name, only 2 weeks) from application to receiving it in the mail. But the cost is over $300 to get a 10 year passport.

My sister had her house broken into and cleaned out of everything except the larger items, and in that, 2 passports, and she was fined $180 for each and would also have to pay $300 to apply for new ones. what a joke.

 

[doconeill]

What is the turnaround time and cost associated in getting a passport in the states?

The timeframe has significantly decreased in Australia in recent years, often taking less than 4 weeks (and in my case when I changed my passport to my married name, only 2 weeks) from application to receiving it in the mail. But the cost is over $300 to get a 10 year passport.

My sister had her house broken into and cleaned out of everything except the larger items, and in that, 2 passports, and she was fined $180 for each and would also have to pay $300 to apply for new ones. what a joke.

I don't recall exactly, but in the U.S. it is at least two weeks, unless you get it "expedited", which I think means going through a central federal office, etc. and not through the Post Office as usual.

 

[GaSleepingBeautyFan]

GA is one of the compliant states but my DL is older and doesn't have the little star that the new DL's have. I'll be getting a new one when my older one expires this summer.

I also have a passport so I am considering bringing that just in case I need it on my next flight in a couple of months. I have a bunch of relatives in MN - several who are planning to fly this summer. I suggested they get passports now instead of waiting.

 

[SorcererHeidi]

What is the turnaround time and cost associated in getting a passport in the states?

The timeframe has significantly decreased in Australia in recent years, often taking less than 4 weeks (and in my case when I changed my passport to my married name, only 2 weeks) from application to receiving it in the mail. But the cost is over $300 to get a 10 year passport.

My sister had her house broken into and cleaned out of everything except the larger items, and in that, 2 passports, and she was fined $180 for each and would also have to pay $300 to apply for new ones. what a joke.

Sorry to hear about your sis, that bites. Went to the Dept. of State web site, and there are all KINDS of different fees for different services, etc. However - in a nutshell - 4-6 weeks is regular (non-expedited) processing time. Expedited ($60 extra) is 8 days. For an adult (16+) new passport is $135 total, renewal is $110.

 

[Princess Jes]

For an adult (16+) new passport is $135 total, renewal is $110.

So cheap!

 

[Princess Jes]

Sorry to hear about your sis, that bites.

Thanks. it was actually while I was in the states on my honeymoon. she got done twice in 10 days. the first time her husband's motorbike was taken, the second time my BIL interrupted them otherwise it would have been a full clean out... in the middle of the day.

 

[SorcererHeidi]

Thanks. it was actually while I was in the states on my honeymoon. she got done twice in 10 days. the first time her husband's motorbike was taken, the second time my BIL interrupted them otherwise it would have been a full clean out... in the middle of the day.

Gee, so sorry to hear that. Thank God he didn't get hurt.

 

[samsteele]

Canada used to be $85 for a 5 yr passport but a few yrs ago our prices increased (when we went to chipped security passports): for adult $120/5yrs and $160/10 yrs plus $45 to replace a lost or stolen passport. We have the option to go to a same day office (multiple locations in Toronto), Ottawa or another major city. If outside a major centre, (like me), we send it to Hull, Quebec by expresspost (tracking) and it takes 4-6 wks to turnover. However, I have had passports renewed within 3 wks in off times. Other option is to drop it off at your local MP's constituency office (federal member of parliament) and they can move it through a bit faster. I renewed for 10 yrs 2 yrs ago and the only issue I have is that the new chipped passports are a bit bigger and thicker than the old style so less convenient/comfortable to wear in a concealed waist money belt.

 

[1Grumpy9]

I know as of now PA is not in compliance and has gotten the extension until October 2016. Since I work for Department of Transportation, I am hearing it would cost too much to replace the current system to get the RealID system in place (I personally don't buy it...but anyway). I already have a Passport and I plan on using it when I fly in Feb (even though I don't have to). I also need to get my passport renewed in August.

 

[hedberg1661]

I know as of now PA is not in compliance and has gotten the extension until October 2016. Since I work for Department of Transportation, I am hearing it would cost too much to replace the current system to get the RealID system in place (I personally don't buy it...but anyway). I already have a Passport and I plan on using it when I fly in Feb (even though I don't have to). I also need to get my passport renewed in August.

I always use my Passport at the airport. I always put my wallet etc. in my personal bag so i fear i will lose my smaller license...I feel much more confident not losing my Passport just for the fact that it is larger. Not to mention you pay for it so you might as well use it!

 

[DVCjj]

I just walked out of a Chicago suburban post office to find out (stupid) Illinois' procedure until they are compliant like they were supposed to be but of course not in Illinois. (always problems)

The Postmaster told me there is supposed to be an announcement on Sunday.

Heaven only knows if this will happen.

 

[doconeill]

I just walked out of a Chicago suburban post office to find out (stupid) Illinois' procedure until they are compliant like they were supposed to be but of course not in Illinois. (always problems)

The Postmaster told me there is supposed to be an announcement on Sunday.

Heaven only knows if this will happen.

Essentially, as of Sunday, you wouldn't be able to use your standard drivers license for ID to enter a secured Federal facility, nuclear reactors, military bases, etc.

TSA is not part of that enforcement yet and I don't anticipate that will change for several months. Any forthcoming announcement will be to say when they will start enforcing in the future for those that don't have extensions (like Illinois, etc.)

 

[Alicenwonderment]

O.k. I did a bit more digging to figure out why states are not in compliance with the law. From reading some of the comments on this article http://www.wmur.com/politics/legisl...mpliant-with-federal-real-id-program/35453036 it seems there is a few different reasons why the opposition on this bill. Like I remembered before with real id you are required to have your social security number on license and your picture gets stored in a data base. Right now you are allowed to opt out of both of those requirements. I don't like having my social security number out there with identity theft happening more and more.Once you get someone's social security number you can do lot's of damage. Someone commented that considering how often lowest bidder state databases get hacked, it's wise. Other people don't think it should be forced onto the states. This coming from a state whose motto is Live free or die. It is also my understanding that they give you 15 other options you can use for ID. This sounds like the same documents that you would use for W2 forms at a new job. I assume most people will have at least 2 of the 15 items they are asking for.

 

[OKW Lover]

with real id you are required to have your social security number on license

FL licenses comply with the Real ID requirements and do not have a social security number on them.

 

[doconeill]

O.k. I did a bit more digging to figure out why states are not in compliance with the law. From reading some of the comments on this article http://www.wmur.com/politics/legisl...mpliant-with-federal-real-id-program/35453036 it seems there is a few different reasons why the opposition on this bill. Like I remembered before with real id you are required to have your social security number on license and your picture gets stored in a data base. Right now you are allowed to opt out of both of those requirements. I don't like having my social security number out there with identity theft happening more and more.Once you get someone's social security number you can do lot's of damage. Someone commented that considering how often lowest bidder state databases get hacked, it's wise. Other people don't think it should be forced onto the states. This coming from a state whose motto is Live free or die. It is also my understanding that they give you 15 other options you can use for ID. This sounds like the same documents that you would use for W2 forms at a new job. I assume most people will have at least 2 of the 15 items they are asking for.

I know nothing about a requirement for the SSN to be physically on the ID (and I see OKW Lover has already pointed out that it is not true). I believe it DOES require access to the state's database, which does contain that information.

I also haven't heard of incidents of a state's registry database being hacked (I work in IT, and that would seriously make the news anyways, so the "how often" it happens seems to be something made up.

Most of the objections are just on basic principle (feds mandating what the state does), or the expense of becoming compliant (machine readability/NFC/barcode/etc.), access to the database (possibly necessitating translation software), etc.