RCI - DVC Posting

[justo]

I have a RCI reservation which I got from DVC as a promo pkg. early part of the year, which I can’t use. I’m considering renting, can I placed this in the DVC – Rent/Trade?

Regards,

Jose

 

[RobDoc]

If DVC will allow you to modify the name on the reservation you might be able to allow someone else to use the reservation. There may be a fee to make any changes as well as the need to purchase an RCI Guest Certificate so you should verify that status before doing anything further.

As for using the DIS Rent/Trade Board, it will depend on the nature of the exchange you have. If the above conditions are met, the mods on the Rent/Trade Board may be able to allow it to be offered thru that board. In general exchanges are not allowed since they violate the RCI membership policy and are not allowed on the Rent/Trade, but if this is an RCI exchange provided by DVC and not made using your points it may be possible as long as MS will allow you to rent it.

 

[justo]

Doc,
Thanks for the speedy response!
Well I have some homework to do.
Once, I’ve gathered the info may I contact you on how to proceed?

Best Regards,

Jose

 

[Dean]

I have a RCI reservation which I got from DVC as a promo pkg. early part of the year, which I can’t use. I’m considering renting, can I placed this in the DVC – Rent/Trade?

Regards,

Jose

This would violate RCI's rules, if it's an exchange, it would be a violation of RCI's rule's to rent it no matter how it was obtained. You'd need both DVC's and RCI's permission to do so and I can't imagine either giving permission.

 

[RobDoc]

This would violate RCI's rules, if it's an exchange, it would be a violation of RCI's rule's to rent it no matter how it was obtained. You'd need both DVC's and RCI's permission to do so and I can't imagine either giving permission.

It would not be allowed if the OP were a member of RCI with an exchange, but in this case he is not and any permission would be governed only by limitations assigned by DVC. Since DVC members do not hold RCI memberships we are not held to the same limitations of RCI members. Just as DVC members do not get the same perks as RCI members, we are also not limited by the same policies.

As long as DVC will allow a name change on the promotional reservation offered as a sales incentive, they will have control over any changes to the reservation. The same was true for World Passport exchanges made thru II when that was the exchange complany.

 

[Dean]

It would not be allowed if the OP were a member of RCI with an exchange, but in this case he is not and any permission would be governed only by limitations assigned by DVC. Since DVC members do not hold RCI memberships we are not held to the same limitations of RCI members. Just as DVC members do not get the same perks as RCI members, we are also not limited by the same policies.

As long as DVC will allow a name change on the promotional reservation offered as a sales incentive, they will have control over any changes to the reservation. The same was true for World Passport exchanges made thru II when that was the exchange complany.

That is not accurate as I understand it. Here are excerpts from the II - DVC info.

All rules and regulations of Disney Vacation Club membership as well as the terms and
conditions of the Interval Exchange Program, must be adhered to.

DVC Members are expressly prohibited from exchanging or renting Host Accommodations. Failure
to use the Host Accommodations will not entitle DVC Members to use the Originating Resort
accommodations for the period relinquished.

The same language is in the BVTC literature and as I am told, also the RCI DVC rules. While DVC is the corporate member, the DVC members that exchange are also bound by all RCI rules that are not specifically different in the agreement between RCI and DVC. DVC has not yet published the RCI info which they normally do in the audit in June for the preceding year but I'm sure they have the info to send out if one asks regarding the RCI rules.

 

[RobDoc]

That is not accurate as I understand it. Here are excerpts from the II - DVC info.



The same language is in the BVTC literature and as I am told, also the RCI DVC rules. While DVC is the corporate member, the DVC members that exchange are also bound by all RCI rules that are not specifically different in the agreement between RCI and DVC. DVC has not yet published the RCI info which they normally do in the audit in June for the preceding year but I'm sure they have the info to send out if one asks regarding the RCI rules.

So, would RCI revoke DVC's membership or just the non-existant membership of the OP who is not an RCI member? Or are you suggesting that DVC would revoke the DVC membership?

What is not accurate with the statement

"As long as DVC will allow a name change on the promotional reservation offered as a sales incentive, they will have control over any changes to the reservation."

?

In the past, DVC did allow changes to II trades, but if they refuse to change the name on an exchange thru RCI it's a moot point and that was my inital comment to the OP - suggesting that this all be verified with MS before proceeding. I'll stand by that statement.

 

[Dean]

So, would RCI revoke DVC's membership or just the non-existant membership of the OP who is not an RCI member? Or are you suggesting that DVC would revoke the DVC membership?

What is not accurate with the statement ?

In the past, DVC did allow changes to II trades, but if they refuse to change the name on an exchange thru RCI it's a moot point and that was my inital comment to the OP - suggesting that this all be verified with MS before proceeding. I'll stand by that statement.

I can't speak for how RCI would react and handle DVC if they themselves violated their terms or allowed a member to do so. However, each DVC member is loaded into RCI's system individually and RCI would have the ability to easily block a single member from future activity and I would expect they would do so if they rented an exchange.

As for changes in the past, for one to get the names on an exchange officially changed to someone not on the contract should have required a guest certificate. Given the set up it's entirely possibly they did this without the usual $39 fee and this would not have been necessarily obvious to the DVC member involved. That doesn't remove the restriction that a rental or exchange of an exchange IN ANY WAY or for any type of compensation would have been a violation of II's or BVTC rules and as I understand it, RCI's rules as well and in all areas as they pertain to DVC as well.

Here's some pertinent info from the II agreement a couple of years ago.

The Host Accommodations may be used only for personal and non-commercial purposes. Only the DVC Member named on the Confirmation form and accompanying family members or guests may occupy the Host Accommodations without obtaining a Guest Certificate from DVC Member Services. Confirmations are issued only in the name of the DVC Member placing the exchange request and Host Accommodations may be used only by the DVC Member and accompanying guests, unless a Guest Certificate is obtained.

Individuals under the age of 21 are not eligible to receive a Guest Certificate. Additionally, the issuance of a Guest Certificate and the use of the Host Accommodations are subject to any restrictions or limitations that
may be imposed by the Host Resort. DVC Members are expressly prohibited from selling or exchanging a Guest Certificate for cash, barter or other consideration. In the event that any of the above terms are breached, Interval reserves the right to revoke the Guest Certificate and to terminate the participation in the Interval Exchange Program of the DVC Member requesting the Guest Certificate.

The inaccuracy in the statement above is that DVC must change it with RCI, they cannot do so on their own and they are bound by the terms of the RCI agreement as well. So while they might allow the change, the rules and risks would still be in place and the member and possibly DVC would be at risk.

 

[RobDoc]

... So while they might allow the change, the rules and risks would still be in place and the member and possibly DVC would be at risk.

So the non-member of RCI would lose his non-membership in RCI and DVC, as we know it, would come to an end?

Interesting.

 

[Dean]

So the non-member of RCI would lose his non-membership in RCI and DVC, as we know it, would come to an end?

Interesting.

That's not what I said, ignoring your sarcasm, I posted the rules as I understand them with the documentation I have and as it pertains to the question in the OP. We all know DVC is inconsistent but I'd expect that if one called DVC and said they were renting an exchange and wanted to change the name, they'd not be allowed to do so. With RCI we are members of RCI through DVC. If you call RCI, they can actually see your info under your name related to the DVC membership.

OTOH, I know exchanges with both RCI and II are rented from time to time behind their backs and it's possible to do the same through DVC most likely. I also know of members having their accounts locked for 6-12 months and in a couple of cases, having their membership terminated.

 

[RobDoc]

...I'd expect that if one called DVC and said they were renting an exchange and wanted to change the name, they'd not be allowed to do so. ...

Just how does your comment differ from this initial response to the poster?

As for using the DIS Rent/Trade Board, it will depend on the nature of the exchange you have. If the above conditions are met, the mods on the Rent/Trade Board may be able to allow it to be offered thru that board. In general exchanges are not allowed since they violate the RCI membership policy and are not allowed on the Rent/Trade, but if this is an RCI exchange provided by DVC and not made using your points it may be possible as long as MS will allow you to rent it .

If this is an exchange reserved thru the World Passport Collection using a member's DVC points it would not be allowed to offer it for rent on the DIS. If it is some sort of a promotional reservation made by DVC thru RCI, it will depend on the terms of any limitations on that offer - thus the suggestion to contact MS to see what they will allow regarding the reservation.

Since I'm not privvy to all details about all DVC promotions, I made the suggestion to contact MS for clarification about modifications to this specific reservation. If MS states that the promotional reservation can be rented (I certainly do not know what limitations apply to the promotion received by the OP) it may be done via the Rent/Trade. If it has the same limitations as other RCI reservations then it cannot.

If you have the specific details of all promotions DVC has offered, please feel free to share quotes from those details. The II program is no longer in effect as far as I am aware, so I'm unclear how those quotes pertain to the current RCI program.

As for any sarcasm, I'm not the one who made the assertion about DVC possibly being "at risk". I think it's pretty far fetched that DVC would be "at risk" with RCI for anything pertaining to their business relationship - especially if, as you stated, RCI has full control over those reservations ... or did you mean that DVC would possibly be "at risk" with some other authority?

 

[Dean]

Just how does your comment differ from this initial response to the poster?



If this is an exchange reserved thru the World Passport Collection using a member's DVC points it would not be allowed to offer it for rent on the DIS. If it is some sort of a promotional reservation made by DVC thru RCI, it will depend on the terms of any limitations on that offer - thus the suggestion to contact MS to see what they will allow regarding the reservation.

Since I'm not privvy to all details about all DVC promotions, I made the suggestion to contact MS for clarification about modifications to this specific reservation. If MS states that the promotional reservation can be rented (I certainly do not know what limitations apply to the promotion received by the OP) it may be done via the Rent/Trade. If it has the same limitations as other RCI reservations then it cannot.

If you have the specific details of all promotions DVC has offered, please feel free to share quotes from those details. The II program is no longer in effect as far as I am aware, so I'm unclear how those quotes pertain to the current RCI program.

As for any sarcasm, I'm not the one who made the assertion about DVC possibly being "at risk". I think it's pretty far fetched that DVC would be "at risk" with RCI for anything pertaining to their business relationship - especially if, as you stated, RCI has full control over those reservations ... or did you mean that DVC would possibly be "at risk" with some other authority?

These promotional weeks ARE RCI exchanges and thus the same rules would apply in this regard. You're the one that asked the question whether DVC was at risk, my response was that I didn't know how RCI would handle any such violation. The problem with the suggestion to contact DVC MS is that it's not unlikely one would be told OK by a CM and put the member in violation unknowingly. ASAMOF, I know of at least 2 instances where DVC members were told it was OK to rent exchanges and in one case, it was MS who suggested it.

As far as II, you're the one that reference II. My quotes from the DVC II literature are for reference with the information that my understanding is that the rules were the same with RCI. I'm sure you could get those in writing if you asked DVC.

 

[RobDoc]

... You're the one that asked the question whether DVC was at risk, my response was that I didn't know how RCI would handle any such violation.

You are the one who stated that my comment was not accurate (and I never stated that DVC could unilaterally modify an RCI reservation) followed by a comment that the member and possibly DVC would be at risk - thus my question about how DVC would be at risk. Thus far you have been unwilling to explain the comment you made regarding how DVC would be at risk. If DVC cannot make any changes on their own and must make changes only thru RCI, how could they possibly make any change which could place either a DVC member or DVC at risk? Here is your quote again:

The inaccuracy in the statement above is that DVC must change it with RCI, they cannot do so on their own and they are bound by the terms of the RCI agreement as well. So while they might allow the change, the rules and risks would still be in place and the member and possibly DVC would be at risk.

 

[Dean]

You are the one who stated that my comment was not accurate (and I never stated that DVC could unilaterally modify an RCI reservation) followed by a comment that the member and possibly DVC would be at risk - thus my question about how DVC would be at risk. Thus far you have been unwilling to explain the comment you made regarding how DVC would be at risk. If DVC cannot make any changes on their own and must make changes only thru RCI, how could they possibly make any change which could place either a DVC member or DVC at risk? Here is your quote again:

While I used the word risk first, however your post below was the first to addresses the issue.

So, would RCI revoke DVC's membership or just the non-existant membership of the OP who is not an RCI member? Or are you suggesting that DVC would revoke the DVC membership?

IF DVC were to violate the terms of the agreement, as I suspect purposefully changing the names for a rental would do, any risk would depend on the terms of the agreement as it pertains to this situation. That would be a contractual issue between DVD (not DVC) and RCI and none of us are privy to that contractual language. In general terms any risk could include monetary issues and could go as far as suspension or termination of any or all privileges. Certainly the risk in such a situation is far more to the owner than DVC for a number of reasons including that it'd be difficult to prove that DVC was a party to the rental. They'd likely throw the member under the ME bus so to speak. Regardless, reality would suggest it's unlikely that anything would happen to DVC for a single event no matter how egregious that episode was.

 

[RobDoc]

IF DVC were to violate the terms of the agreement, as I suspect purposefully changing the names for a rental would do, any risk would depend on the terms of the agreement as it pertains to this situation.

I'll repeat my question from the last post - "If DVC cannot make any changes on their own and must make changes only thru RCI, how could they possibly make any change which could place either a DVC member or DVC at risk?" How can MS "purposefully" change the names for a rental if such changes can only be made by RCI?

Still no explanation how DVC could be "at risk" (your words) for making changes only RCI can make. Thanks for at least admitting it's unlikely that anything would happen to DVC - thus not really placing DVC at any risk. Thanks also for admitting that you did state that DVC might be at risk for dealings with RCI.

To be clear, if this is a traditional World Passport exchange made using DVC points by a member, it cannot be rented via our site and would violate the RCI policy. The original question was regarding a promotional reservation (which I am not personally familiar with) - thus the suggested made to contact MS for clarification. If it is indeed an incentive promotion that would allow a rental it's would be allowed here - otherwise it will not.

My concerns about subsequent comments have been regarding the suggestion that an individual DVC member (who can only deal with RCI via MS) would be able to make any changes any which would violate any policy (DVC or RCI) since the member can only make changes thru MS and MS can only make changes thru RCI. These comments are also consistent with your past assertions that DVC has violated FL law in various fashions - which was the reason for my question about DVC being "at risk" with RCI or some other authority.

 

[Dean]

I'll repeat my question from the last post - "If DVC cannot make any changes on their own and must make changes only thru RCI, how could they possibly make any change which could place either a DVC member or DVC at risk?" How can MS "purposefully" change the names for a rental if such changes can only be made by RCI?

Still no explanation how DVC could be "at risk" (your words) for making changes only RCI can make. Thanks for at least admitting it's unlikely that anything would happen to DVC - thus not really placing DVC at any risk. Thanks also for admitting that you did state that DVC might be at risk for dealings with RCI.

To be clear, if this is a traditional World Passport exchange made using DVC points by a member, it cannot be rented via our site and would violate the RCI policy. The original question was regarding a promotional reservation (which I am not personally familiar with) - thus the suggested made to contact MS for clarification. If it is indeed an incentive promotion that would allow a rental it's would be allowed here - otherwise it will not.

My concerns about subsequent comments have been regarding the suggestion that an individual DVC member (who can only deal with RCI via MS) would be able to make any changes any which would violate any policy (DVC or RCI) since the member can only make changes thru MS and MS can only make changes thru RCI. These comments are also consistent with your past assertions that DVC has violated FL law in various fashions - which was the reason for my question about DVC being "at risk" with RCI or some other authority.

I thought I dealt with the question appropriately but I'll try again. A member who must go through DVC to make changes to a RCI reservation would be in violation if they were renting an exchange. DVC WOULD LIKELY be in violation if they were complicit such as if they knew it was a rental and proceeded to change the info with RCI. The promotional reservation is an RCI reservation, basically a bonus week similar to "Last Call" inventory.

Your words were that of RCI revoking DVC's membership, I guess that's not "at risk". Given my comments were related to RCI membership, I don't see this as a legal matter in terms of Fl law but rather a technical matter in regards to the RCI rules and DVC rules as they pertain to DVC and DVC members. I think my concerns on FL law were related to restrictions of DVC rentals by the developer while limiting those same options by the owners which would be, IMO, a violation of FL law.

Maybe someone with one of the certificates can shed some light on this matter as it may contain the information on the certificate.