Rationalization

[bicker]

Has anyone else gotten the feeling that there have been a lot more postings, recently, from people trying to get ratification for bad behavior that they planned to commit? I wonder what it is about this time of year that might cause that.

 

[MAKmom]

Do you mean threads saying I saw this...that are bogus? The CB Board has a bad Vibe. The Tag Fairy seems to sweep in & help when it gets ugly around here.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

?????


I don't know. Are you speaking of my cell phone post?

 

[bicker]

Do you mean threads saying I saw this...that are bogus?

No, more like, "I know it is not right, but I'm going to do it anyway, because it I think I should be allowed to do it."

 

[MAKmom]

No, more like, "I know it is not right, but I'm going to do it anyway, because it I think I should be allowed to do it."

Thats point blank! I do not remember any. But if you want to point me in the right direction...

 

[bicker]

You're kidding, right?!?!?!

I'll PM you... last thing I want to do is start up one of those discussions in this thread!

 

[ILUVMYBRIT]

Its funny that you say this today. I was just saying to one of my co-workers yesterday that people seem to be a bit off lately. I had one woman so upset with me because the security guards at the airport wouldnt let her through security without a boarding pass. She didnt understand why "SHE" should have to have a boarding pass to get through. Some people only want to follow the rules when they are convinent for them. Thats just one example I have seen recently.The rules are for everyone but me attitude has been running rampant at the airport lately.

 

[bicker]

Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing!

"Everything should be the way I think it should be, not the way it actually is."

It's like a case of mass-delusion!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

ooohhhh...i have an inkling of what you are speaking of now. Though you may not be. It is 50/50. If it is what I think it is--then I agree (just based on postings here). If it is not what I think it is..I honestly have no clue of what you are speaking of. and since it is "rules" and not necessarily "etiquette"--then I would have to agree anyway.

 

[cactus]

uhh..I have no idea what you guys are talking about. this conversation is going in circles. maybe its just my little comprehension.

 

[Boston Tea Party]

You talking about me swearing off Mexican food? Probably a good thing.

 

[Missy1961]

I wish I knew what this was about. I have a feeling I agree with the OP.

 

[bicker]

That's just it -- it isn't about a specific thread but rather about a very disturbing trend, overall, everywhere. People deciding that rules don't apply to them because they don't want them to. People justifying bypassing what is right in favor of what is in their own personal best interest, basically because no one will stop them -- because they're "on their honor" and they apparently have none.

 

[Tricia1972]

I believe I know what you are talking about. Not even the questions by the poster sometimes, but the pages and pages of justification and debates that follow.

 

[bicker]

Here's another one, posted just this morning:

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=12542926&postcount=5

 

[Missy1961]

I got your PM, however I couldn't get the link to work, but the link in your post did.

You are absolutely right!

 

[poohandwendy]

Yes, I have noticed the trend but I have not been paying attention to any seasonal connection, if there is one.

I think this all goes back to when talk shows became popular. (stay with me here, there is a point, LOL) When pop-psychology became mainstream via talk shows like Phil Donohue, Oprah and later with Jerry Springer, etc...the whole idea of 'how does it make YOU feel' became a mantra that instilled the idea that personal happiness was top priority and that any act could be explained if we delve into the human psyche deep enough. Out went the black and white right/wrong. In came the shades of gray justification mentality.

We have gradually shifted our values away from community needs and onto individual needs. So, if you can find a way to justify your actions on an individual level, you now expect and demand the community to understand, accept and even respect your actions.

It's basically using egotistical reasoning to justify our actions based on the idea that those actions are not large enough to affect the community as a whole. And even if our actions do affect the community, they are justified because each of us, as individuals, have worth! In effect, we have allowed individual worth to become more important than personal and community responsibility, IMO.

A good example is the idea that large corporations can 'afford' to take a loss ...but when it comes to the individual...well, their money is 'hard earned'.

Did that make any sense, LOL?

 

[Alicnwondrln]

so true
its sad really

 

[SillyMe]

Here's another one, posted just this morning:

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=12542926&postcount=5

Really? You can't do this? It's the same stay.

 

[chobie]

Yes, I have noticed the trend but I have not been paying attention to any seasonal connection, if there is one.

I think this all goes back to when talk shows became popular. (stay with me here, there is a point, LOL) When pop-psychology became mainstream via talk shows like Phil Donohue, Oprah and later with Jerry Springer, etc...the whole idea of 'how does it make YOU feel' became a mantra that instilled the idea that personal happiness was top priority and that any act could be explained if we delve into the human psyche deep enough. Out went the black and white right/wrong. In came the shades of gray justification mentality.

We have gradually shifted our values away from community needs and onto individual needs. So, if you can find a way to justify your actions on an individual level, you now expect and demand the community to understand, accept and even respect your actions.

It's basically using egotistical reasoning to justify our actions based on the idea that those actions are not large enough to affect the community as a whole. And even if our actions do affect the community, they are justified because each of us, as individuals, have worth! In effect, we have allowed individual worth to become more important than personal and community responsibility, IMO.

A good example is the idea that large corporations can 'afford' to take a loss ...but when it comes to the individual...well, their money is 'hard earned'.

Did that make any sense, LOL?

The individual worth being more important than the community responsbility cuts both ways. For instance we use the term "personal responsiblity" to try justify letting children go hungry or people living on the streets.

So, IMO its not that we think everyone has worth, or we would be more interested in taking care of everyone in our communties. Rather, the mentality is everyone has worth, but only if they are worth something financially, otherwise they mean nothing.

As for shades or gray.. well I beleive there are. Except for a few things, things are not black and white. There are extenuating circumstances that should be taken into account.

Now, when it comes to refillable mugs...I personally think its really petty on both sides of the issue.