Rationalization

[chobie]

Wow. it seriously would never occur to me that a refillable mug would mean a lifetime of refills. The only way I would think that is if it was advertised that way, as a special perk.

McDonalds cups are refillable in their store, I would never just assume I could keep bringing it back every time I visited. Even though it is only sodaTo be honest, I think it is the nature of most people to find out exact what 'free' entitles them to...so IMHO, I think most who do violate those rules, do it with the full knowledge that they are violating it. They just rationalize it as 'bending the rules' rather than breaking them and a very small infraction that they are unlikely to be called out on.

Okay you edited your comment after I quoted it. However, you and Bicker both seemed to be assuming that people who think that a refillable 12 dollar mug bought at WDW, a place where they are spending thousands of dollars at and won't be back again for a year or more is well- refillable, is suspect to begin with.

In other words because they didn't automatically assume the same thing you assumed there is something wrong with them. That has nothing to do with rationalizaton or rule breaking. That has everything to do with people judging others based on them having different thought then themselves.
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[chobie]

I didn't say YOU were, as a matter of fact I made sure that I made that clear.

As far as the last part, is that a clear cut rule? Cause I have never seen it written anywhere...(ok, I am just joking)

If you pick up your computer, turn it sideways and use a magnifying glass, you will see it as clear as day!

 

[cardaway]

This thread was real interesting until it turned into the same old mug discussion.

As for the mugs, I think the majority know the policy and don't care as much about it as other things because it's obvious Disney doesn't care. Doesn't make it right to knowingly break the rules, but the lack of concern does put it all in proper perspective.

In fact at Disney I think there are far more disturbing things being done including, but not limited to; lying about a childs age, taking food carts without paying (instant salads at burgur bars), and smoking in non-smoking areas.

 

[chobie]

This thread was real interesting until it turned into the same old mug discussion.

As for the mugs, I think the majority know the policy and don't care as much about it as other things because it's obvious Disney doesn't care. Doesn't make it right to knowingly break the rules, but the lack of concern does put it all in proper perspective.

In fact at Disney I think there are far more disturbing things being done including, but not limited to; lying about a childs age, taking food carts without paying (instant salads at burgur bars), and smoking in non-smoking areas.

By far the most disturbing thing I have seen at WDW does not even have to do with any of Disney's rules --child abuse. I have even seen babies under the age of 2 slapped in the face while there.

 

[Sir Real]

Here I thought this was going to be an illegal immigration thread when all it turns out to be is a thinly veiled refillable mug thread.

 

[poohandwendy]

Okay you edited your comment after I quoted it. However, you and Bicker both seemed to be assuming that people who think that a refillable 12 dollar mug bought at WDW, a place where they are spending thousands of dollars at and won't be back again for a year or more is well- refillable, is suspect to begin with.

In other words because they didn't automatically assume the same thing you assumed there is something wrong with them. That has nothing to do with rationalizaton or rule breaking. That has everything to do with people judging others based on them having different thought then themselves.
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I think people should be expected to find out what their money is paying for. I think that is one of the responsibilities of consumers.

I would never judge someone who was genuinely confused by or unaware of a rule before breaking it. Nor would I think there was something wrong with them. I do not agree with finding ways to rationalize rule breaking though. I don't agree with trying to find ways to work the system, as you see on many, many trip planning threads.

 

[chobie]

I think people should be expected to find out what their money is paying for. I think that is one of the responsibilities of consumers.

I would never judge someone who was genuinely confused by or unaware of a rule before breaking it. Nor would I think there was something wrong with them. I do not agree with finding ways to rationalize rule breaking though. I don't agree with trying to find ways to work the system, as you see on many, many trip planning threads.

I agree and I would like to point out that many people have asked and were told they could bring it back.

I only bought them so by kids could get the frozen cokes at PC and the machine was out of service 3 of the 4 days! They did drink their weight in hot cocoa though.

And I agree about the rationalizations that people use on the trip threads. Either follow the rules, or don't , but don't try to make yourself feel better my getting others to tell you its okay to break the rules.

 

[bicker]

I'm saying that most people would not think it was unreasonable to assume that disney meant free refills on soda when they buy a refillable mug.

Maybe we're talking past each other. Of course it means free refills. The issue is how long the free refills are good for.

It's unreasonable to contemplate the history of duration of contracts in American commonlaw when buying a refillable mug at WDW!

Again, I believe it isn't necessary to do so to draw the conclusion I'd expect most reasonable people to draw.

For someone who prides themselves on being more moral than thou

We were all having a very mature and constructive discussion, until you decided to make things personal. I'm sorry that you were unable to keep things polite.

 

[chobie]

Maybe we're talking past each other. Of course it means free refills. The issue is how long the free refills are good for.

Again, I believe it isn't necessary to do so to draw the conclusion I'd expect most reasonable people to draw.

We were all having a very mature and constructive discussion, until you decided to make things personal. I'm sorry that you were unable to keep things polite.

Your right, taking a part of someone's post, out of context, to use it to make a point you are trying to make is not very polite or mature, but something you seem to enjoy doing.

 

[Lanshark]

I have noticed since I've been reading these boards that there are people that come here for justification for things they have done or intend to do. There does seem to be a pattern.

First they post about the act they are attempting to justify.

There are several replies that rationalize the OP's view.

There will be a poster that will go against the flow and say it's wrong.

There will be replies from the first several people saying how mean the opposing poster is.

The OP will reply and imply that they were just asking for an opinion and why is the opposing poster being mean.

That usually when the flood gate opens and people on both sides of the issue start thowing pixie dust bombs at each other.

The OP disappears.

The thread goes POOF!

 

[bicker]

Why are you insisting on making personal attacks, instead of discussing the issue?

 

[bicker]

I have noticed since I've been reading these boards that there are people that come here for justification for things they have done or intend to do. There does seem to be a pattern.

First they post about the act they are attempting to justify.

There are several replies that rationalize the OP's view.

There will be a poster that will go against the flow and say it's wrong.

There will be replies from the first several people saying how mean the opposing poster is.

The OP will reply and imply that they were just asking for an opinion and why is the opposing poster being mean.

That usually when the flood gate opens and people on both sides of the issue start thowing pixie dust bombs at each other.

The OP disappears.

The thread goes POOF!

Yup, that's about the size of it. And typically the nastiness starts about Page 4. I think it was great that we made it to the beginning of Page 6 without any of that. I was really hoping it would last longer. It was a really good discussion.

 

[chobie]

Yup, that's about the size of it. And typically the nastiness starts about Page 4. I think it was great that we made it to the beginning of Page 6 without any of that. I was really hoping it would last longer. It was a really good discussion.

It was a good discussion until in turned into labeling people as unreasonable because they had a different assumption then others about the durational effect of refillable mug policy based on their personal knowledge of the history contract law.

 

[bicker]

Which I've already said, twice, wasn't what I said. Here's another person's view:

Wow. it seriously would never occur to me that a refillable mug would mean a lifetime of refills.

No problem there.

 

[chobie]

Which I've already said, twice, wasn't what I said. Here's another person's view:No problem there.

Yes, she agreed that she had the same thought as you about the mugs, however, she didn't say it was unreasonable for other people to think something different or say that they were out of touch with reality because of it, whereas you did.

 

[bicker]

If you are so intent to believe so, I suppose I cannot convince you otherwise.

 

[chobie]

If you are so intent to believe so, I suppose I cannot convince you otherwise.

It's clear that you said that it is unreasonable for people to even think that the mugs were refillable for life and if they thought that they were out of touch with reality.

Anyone who so chooses to read the whole thread, and not just the parts of posts you took out of context, will see that.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Haven't read every post, but does anyone honestly think that Disney thought that people would actually bring back the same refillable mug every annual trip?? No way...which is why they had to put the disclaimer on the side of the mug. I can just imagine the Director of Disney theme parks scratching his/her head in disbelief as guests in 2005 brought back their mugs from 2002. I would never even think while planning my Disney vacation "Oh man!! I get to use that $14 refillable mug that I've been using to wash the dog for the last 3 years to actually drink out of at Disney again!!! Score!!"

 

[chobie]

Haven't read every post, but does anyone honestly think that Disney thought that people would actually bring back the same refillable mug every annual trip?? No way...which is why they had to put the disclaimer on the side of the mug. I can just imagine the Director of Disney theme parks scratching his/her head in disbelief as guests in 2005 brought back their mugs from 2002. I would never even think while planning my Disney vacation "Oh man!! I get to use that $14 refillable mug that I've been using to wash the dog for the last 3 years to actually drink out of at Disney again!!! Score!!"

Obviously they thought that people would contemplate the history of contract law when purchasing them.

 

[bicker]

I can just imagine the Director of Disney theme parks scratching his/her head in disbelief...

Really! And its clear that this happens again and again. In another thread we've been compiling a pretty substantial list of things Disney has done to address this kind of thing, and for each one you just know that the operations manager was mystified that they actually needed to take the actions they had to take to curb the abuse.