"RapidFill" RFID refillable mugs coming back resort wide...

At this point I'm not sure what's a "real" fact and what's an "internet" fact. At least one poster said the RFID chipped cups shouldn't be put in a microwave oven.

I use my refillable mugs at home. I've microwaved cold coffee. OK not the best tasting coffee. I might do the same at WDW if I was staying in a unit which had a microwave oven.

Hot day, I'd like to be able to fill the cup with ice and still get a 12-16 oz pour. I'd be happy if we had an option to get a 20 once mug. Give us the choice of a 16 oz travel mug or a 20 oz regular mug. At one time CSR offered a 64 oz mug. My memory is there smaller mug was larger then the 16 oz mug offered in other resorts.
 
At this point I'm not sure what's a "real" fact and what's an "internet" fact. At least one poster said the RFID chipped cups shouldn't be put in a microwave oven.

That is indeed a problem with RFID microwave ovens...they will destroy the chip, and, in some cases, cause a fire. Most anyone with a microwave oven knows you don't put any metal in one...well, RFID chips and their antennas contain metal... :(

I don't know of any RFID chips that are "microwave-safe" at this time. As far as I know, they'd have to be encased in a material that would reflect the microwaves away...and would likely do the same for the signals...
 
That is indeed a problem with RFID microwave ovens...they will destroy the chip, and, in some cases, cause a fire. Most anyone with a microwave oven knows you don't put any metal in one...well, RFID chips and their antennas contain metal... :(

I don't know of any RFID chips that are "microwave-safe" at this time. As far as I know, they'd have to be encased in a material that would reflect the microwaves away...and would likely do the same for the signals...

Are the chips part of some kind of sticker which we could remove when we get home?
 

Are the chips part of some kind of sticker which we could remove when we get home?

I don't recall if they were as part of the test. They were on the paper cups. Whether they are or not going forward with new mugs remains to be seen. I can see problems with using the stickers for more than a few days (especially if you put it in the dishwasher in a villa...)
 
The most economical route would be to simply affix RFID stickers to the base of the cup (we use these for DoD shipments). To have them actually embedded would increase their cost quite a bit. This also would allow for someone who's chip stopped working (read pulled off to see what's inside) to quickly get it replaced instead of having to get a whole new mug.
 
The most economical route would be to simply affix RFID stickers to the base of the cup (we use these for DoD shipments). To have them actually embedded would increase their cost quite a bit. This also would allow for someone who's chip stopped working (read pulled off to see what's inside) to quickly get it replaced instead of having to get a whole new mug.

It makes the most economic sense...but how easily will it come off after a few washes?

How will they know you paid for it? Are they going to make me keep my receipt all the time?

Will they know the old ID and deactivate it, if the sticker is missing? Otherwise I could skillfully remove it, put it on another one, and then claim it fell off...
 
To the person that suggest that the machines only dispense to people that have a RFID bracelet, Disney is now selling the mugs to people not staying on property. Therefore, they won't necessarily have the RFID bracelets. So that isn't a solution either.

I'm ok with this too except for the price increase, which I knew was going to happen because the cost of the mugs with the chip is more. $17.99 for a reusable mug we use once or twice a day is probably outside of what I am willing to pay. We always got them on each trip previously. We also got the dining plan each trip until 2011 when it got so expensive that it wasn't worth it anymore. I'm not sure at what point, Disney will just become too expensive and we will find a new destination. This is coming from someone who has loved Disney her entire life. I did the CP twice. I have been every year with the exception of one year since 2004.

We have thought about this too. We have been vacationing at Disney "on property" since 1990, twice a year most years. We have a daughter that did the College Program also. This past 4th of July, we decided to stay 5 minutes off property - $79 a night with a full breakfast buffet, a pool, large hot tub, exercise room, free coffee & tea 24/7. We found that we actually enjoyed our vacation just as much as we did on property.

I also realize that for the most part, Disney does not seem to place a high value of return customers, and I think that the decisions they are making are with that in mind. They are shooting for those once in a lifetime, break the bank and never look back guests. Which is why they may not care that they are charging a lot of money to keep a few soda snitchers from snagging an extra coke.

Disney needs to think about those people that come back. Over the years, we first brought our children and then our grandchildren. We have talked Disney to our friends, who now vacation there too. The hard core Disney fans are the free advertising that Disney gets and the loss of that, would hit Disney hard.

I actually have no problems with the limits, but the whole thing has me wondering if Disney's DDP is waning for families. The mug was included in our last plan. We did not use it at all because we stayed CL, and used that beverage station, but we saw just about everyone in the Marketplace using the mugs. I have no idea how much it costs to install the paraphernalia to implement this system, but it seems to me that Disney must believe the cost justifies the means.

I believe that the fees associated with this system may actually lower revenue, rather that raise it. If a family buys one or two mugs rather than one for the whole family since the cost increased, and each member shares it, Disney has lost not only the sale of those additional mugs, but the family used more beverages.

I am just trying to think about my own family and how we would use the mugs. I drink almost no soda, and generally just have a sip or two. I buy the mg because i like it, but with teh cost increases, I probably would pass on my own as well as my DH. We would just have whatever beverage comes with the meal, and water. my DSIl is the only one in our family who drinks enough soft beverages to justify the cost. depending on the cost, this system could actually cost Disney more than if the current system stayed in place.

I totally agree with this. I know that DH and I often share drinks because we drink the same thing. Maybe Disney can hire Cast Members to walk around the dining area to make sure that people are not sharing a drink.
 
To the person that suggest that the machines only dispense to people that have a RFID bracelet, Disney is now selling the mugs to people not staying on property. Therefore, they won't necessarily have the RFID bracelets. So that isn't a solution either.

They've always sold them to anyone that purchased them...I don't believe they've every verified that you were actually staying at the resort, even though the terms were "the length of your stay at the resort it was purchased". Technically, that stay could just be a few hours... :)

They are still pretty useless if you aren't really staying at the resort - right now.

And off-site guests are supposed to be able to get MagicBands as well (for a price, if they don't already have one).

So I don't think requiring an MB would be far-fetched (and could open up many other possibilities), but they could have "non-MB" mugs as well.
 
The most economical route would be to simply affix RFID stickers to the base of the cup (we use these for DoD shipments). To have them actually embedded would increase their cost quite a bit. This also would allow for someone who's chip stopped working (read pulled off to see what's inside) to quickly get it replaced instead of having to get a whole new mug.

The cups have a hollow section. Simplest route would be to have the chip inserted in that section at the time the cup is assembled. Paying CMs to put stickers on thousands of mugs has to cost more. You'll also avoid customers removing the stickers.
 
Does anyone know if the new RFID mugs have appeared yet at the All Stars? I'm arriving at ASM in 3 days! If so, what do they look like?
 
Does anyone know if the new RFID mugs have appeared yet at the All Stars? I'm arriving at ASM in 3 days! If so, what do they look like?

I have not heard it has started yet. One of the food courts (Sports) is actually closing soon for a few months rehab, so I expect they will get it after the fact.

I believe they will look the same, but might have different lid/handle/insert colors, but not having seen the design yet I'm not 100% sure.

I'm trying to think back...were the mugs used during the test the same but had a "tie-on" RFID tag on the handle? For some reason I'm picturing that...
 
The only objection I have is that they cannot be put in the microwave. I use these as drink cups at home all the time and I frequently re-heat my coffee.
 
The only objection I have is that they cannot be put in the microwave. I use these as drink cups at home all the time and I frequently re-heat my coffee.

I was checking the vendor site, and it does say specifically they are not microwave safe. Unless they make the RFID removable, they can't really help it. And making it removable presents an abuse problem (unless the process of removal renders the RFID void/inert).

Another reason this should link to MagicBands instead...
 
It's such a gimmick, chipping cups. The more I think about it, it isn't bad, but how on earth is it good? It stops, what, a few soda stealers? Totally worth investing such a hefty sum into what is otherwise a cheap commodity with a negligible amount of lost profit.

They might as well chip the plates at the buffets too. If you're asking what good that'll do, it does exactly what chipping cups does, nothing.
 
It's such a gimmick, chipping cups. The more I think about it, it isn't bad, but how on earth is it good? It stops, what, a few soda stealers? Totally worth investing such a hefty sum into what is otherwise a cheap commodity with a negligible amount of lost profit.

They might as well chip the plates at the buffets too. If you're asking what good that'll do, it does exactly what chipping cups does, nothing.


I can pretty much guarantee that Disney is not "investing" in this tech. It is actually off-the-shelf tech from a vendor, which I'm certain is giving Disney a huge break on it...and in the process, Disney raises revenues by raising prices for the average stay lengths, gets some income from shorter stays where guests didn't previously bother buying it because they weren't there long, AND stop the abusers...this, the more I think of it, was probably a way for Disney to raise revenue WITHOUT added expense.
 
I was checking the vendor site, and it does say specifically they are not microwave safe. Unless they make the RFID removable, they can't really help it. And making it removable presents an abuse problem (unless the process of removal renders the RFID void/inert).

Another reason this should link to MagicBands instead...

Removing them after your trip should not give anyone the ability to abuse the system. You pay for the length of your trip to be on the chip. Even if someone finds a chip in the trash, it wouldn't work because it would be expired. :goodvibes
 
Removing them after your trip should not give anyone the ability to abuse the system. You pay for the length of your trip to be on the chip. Even if someone finds a chip in the trash, it wouldn't work because it would be expired. :goodvibes

After the trip, yes...I was referring to if they were removable while still usable.

It does appear that they are "embedded" in some fashion though - I think like a PP said, it's likely the same sticker as on the cups, but between the cup and liner.
 














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