Racism or just enforcing rules?

[luvsJack]

Right it was done for PR! Starbucks was just dying to close all their stores for one afternoon so they can hold training for employees. This PR stunt was just to make the training public.

Silly me, I thought PR stunts were done to make money, not lose money.



Sorry, I don't get your point. To my knowledge, there is no video of the actual shooting of Brown. There is video of the Starbucks incident.

I didn’t say it was a PR stunt. They had been accused of being racist. They had protests outside their stores. If they thought they may lose money, yes they would shut down to do training if it meant the protestors would be placated.

 

[kaytieeldr]

This question was specifically directed to the poster I quoted. She stated she had her mind made up it was racism, and I was just curious.

Still, anyone is free to respond.

But would it have been as funny if I gave a spitting alert?

Maybe, maybe not. But my screen would have been dryer

 

[GreatLakes]

I do think closing all the Starbucks stores for training was pure damage control. They were hoping to placate the protesters and felt losing one day of revenue was better than any kind of boycott or drawn out protests. It was smart but not because anyone actually felt personally bad or responsible at the top of the company.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don't know what is going on with the golf course but whatever is going on--it doesn't sound like an establishment I would be frequenting anymore if I was living in that area. My husband and I both agree whatever was going on being told on the second hole..sounds crazy. I'm not sure but has any of the articles mentioned what the length of time was other than "were not keeping the pace of play" (which is what they were told according to one article on the second hole)?

FWIW my husband has had multiple of his aquaintances who have had golf marshalls come out and tell their group they were taking too long or they have witnessed the golf marshalls talking to a group around them they are taking too long. It does happen here at least but it's when they've played at a snail's pace--doesn't happen too too often but it has.

Now when I go golfing with my husband and in-laws they do follow etiquette and let others go when we know for sure we're going to take a longer time (usually on the high par holes), etc. Timing is something that whenever we golf (which I don't golf I drive the cart lol) we keep in mind. They are only 3-4 golfers total (4-5 people if you include me the non-golfer) but depending on that day and the amount of balls they lose it could take longer than the golf course may technically account for. They do however play scramble though where they all hit their balls one time whoever is the farthest is where they hit their individual balls off again and so on and so on until someone makes it into the hole and then that is the number of pars I use. That does help because otherwise--I'm fairly certain the golf courses around here would be out telling us to speed up. The golf marshalls are out and about watching in our area but you've got to be playing really really slow for them to do anything other than watch--they seem to be fairly lenient at least the ones we've gone to. When it's just my husband and his friend golfing they do not do scramble though.

 

[MamaBelle4]

Lol except I wasn’t talking about you.

I apologize for my misunderstanding.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Still, anyone is free to respond.

Maybe, maybe not. But my screen would have been dryer

I like root beer for spitting on the screen. It leaves an aroma with a hint of Vanilla

 

[penn19]

South central PA? Racism, no question.

Wow.

 

[rickybobby]

I like root beer for spitting on the screen. It leaves an aroma with a hint of Vanilla

This is really hilarious stuff about the spit on the screen, but to me, I think it is RACIST.

 

[Hikergirl]

I don't know what is going on with the golf course but whatever is going on--it doesn't sound like an establishment I would be frequenting anymore if I was living in that area. My husband and I both agree whatever was going on being told on the second hole..sounds crazy. I'm not sure but has any of the articles mentioned what the length of time was other than "were not keeping the pace of play" (which is what they were told according to one article on the second hole)?

I totally agree with you on that. They have shown everyone that they have problems with certain types of customers, whether it is customers of a certain color, gender, age or maybe all of them combined, they clearly have issues.
Even if the story is as they say- that the women were playing too slow, who calls the police on people for that, especially when they first started playing? It isn't like their side of the story puts them in a better light, they still went to the extreme of calling the police on a group of women for doing nothing more than playing too slow.

 

[tex1989]

I have played golf my whole life and continue to play today. Certain statements made here are just not true. A threesome always plays faster than a fivesome, wrong! Men always play faster than women, wrong! The speed with which someone plays golf is a direct function of how good/bad you are. In the fairway, no lost balls, out of the hazards, you play fast, if not you tend to be slower. However having said that I am a 8 handicap and play fairly quickly. With no one stopping us my foursome (similar abilities) can finish a round in a little over three hours. But from what I have read here these ladies were allowing groups to play through them (which is good golf ediquette) and were members of the club. That is what totally throws me, if this was a public course and they refused to step aside for others, or refused to follow rules that's one thing, but if these were members playing on a course they pay monthly dues for then this reaction was totally driven by something more than slow play. There is a underpinning of something going on that has not been reported. Workers at membership based clubs that I have been associated with would never treat a member this way. It could cost them their job.

I truly feel it was racially motivated based on the limited information, however I will say golf is a different sport. High handicappers should understand they are learning the game and since the USGA only recognizes a handicap up to 36 for men and 40 for women once you reach 3 over par for a hole you cannot record a score greater than a triple bogie you should probably just pick up at that point. My father never let me on a course till I was 13 and kept all my activity on the range and putting/chipping green till I could reasonably play on a course. In golf it is the individuals responsibility to know the rules and ediquette before ever stepping on the course and follow them at all times.

 

[longboard55]

We were in vegas once off the strip area in a part of town a little shady, and a group of 3 black female tweeners J walked a big street and a police car was driving by, saw them and handcuffed them before questioning. Really do they need the handcuffs? I just feel this black lives matters does have a point of view we do not see.

 

[NHdisneylover]

I just wanted to point out, having scrolled past the thread title again a few times, that "just enforcing the rules" can often BE racist----if rules are routinely ignored or not enforced but often or always enforced when black people are the "rule breakers"--that is racist---and "hey they were breaking the rules" becomes and easy excuse/cop out for targeting them.

In this case, I still do not even see that any rule was broken, but I wanted to point out that it is not always an either /or thing

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I have played golf my whole life and continue to play today. Certain statements made here are just not true. A threesome always plays faster than a fivesome, wrong! Men always play faster than women, wrong! The speed with which someone plays golf is a direct function of how good/bad you are. In the fairway, no lost balls, out of the hazards, you play fast, if not you tend to be slower. However having said that I am a 8 handicap and play fairly quickly. With no one stopping us my foursome (similar abilities) can finish a round in a little over three hours. But from what I have read here these ladies were allowing groups to play through them (which is good golf ediquette) and were members of the club. That is what totally throws me, if this was a public course and they refused to step aside for others, or refused to follow rules that's one thing, but if these were members playing on a course they pay monthly dues for then this reaction was totally driven by something more than slow play. There is a underpinning of something going on that has not been reported. Workers at membership based clubs that I have been associated with would never treat a member this way. It could cost them their job.

I truly feel it was racially motivated based on the limited information, however I will say golf is a different sport. High handicappers should understand they are learning the game and since the USGA only recognizes a handicap up to 36 for men and 40 for women once you reach 3 over par for a hole you cannot record a score greater than a triple bogie you should probably just pick up at that point. My father never let me on a course till I was 13 and kept all my activity on the range and putting/chipping green till I could reasonably play on a course. In golf it is the individuals responsibility to know the rules and ediquette before ever stepping on the course and follow them at all times.

I would agree that “in general” how good you are will dictate the speed of your play. But, I know some really good golfers who are glacially slow and some pretty so-so golfers that are blisteringly fast. Really bad golfers WILL be slow. No way around that.