Racial Discrimination? More blatant examples? More subtle?

[ogreenlee]

I hear that many people marry without ever having sex or being sexually attrated to one another

Oh good grief. Someone stick a fork in this one.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I hear that many people marry without ever having sex or being sexually attrated to one another

Comments like this do not meet your overall objective of discussing if it is racist or not to marry within your own race.

It is presume that most relationships occur b/c people want to get together and want to be married and will at some point be intimate with one another or at the very least be attracted to one another.

Far more than 3% of people will meet the above criteria in a relationship. A simple glance at pregnancy rates would at least prove that point.

Bringing up anectdotes with no statistical data is going to validate your thesis that we condone racisim within marriage even if they may be true in some cases. It is irrelevant to the overall discussion.

 

[FireDancer]

I hear that many people marry without ever having sex or being sexually attrated to one another

Time to fess up...are you Amish?

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Where is it written that you need to be physically attracted to someone to marry them? Or even in love for that matter?
Easier to be sure, but certainly not neccessary.

I hear that many people marry without ever having sex or being sexually attrated to one another

Seriously? That's just sad.

But I think you have it backwards. Marriage is certainly more of a choice than than a widening circle of freinds, is'nt it?

You misunderstood my comment. I meant that the larger the group, the more likely the fact they are all the same race is by choice than by chance. One person meets one person, falls in love and gets married, or falls in like and becomes best buddies. If they are the same race, it's quite likely that was by chance. A group of 100 friends, social group, fraternity, whatever, if they are all the same race, it's more likely that members of the group were chosen on their race. Not proof by any means, but more likely that the group of 100 was racist in their choice of friends than the married couple was, at least in the eyes of many in our society.

Oh good grief. Someone stick a fork in this one.

Time to fess up...are you Amish?

You guys are cracking me up!

 

[eliza61]

This is probably not going to be popular but my subtle example happened during the election when people told me I was voting for the President because I wanted the government to take care of me.
I'm a civil rights baby so my not so subtle examples happened many years ago. I remember my mom registering people to vote in Knoxville Tenn and not being able to sit at the outdoor picnic tables in the park because we were black.

 

[ogreenlee]

This is probably not going to be popular but my subtle example happened during the election when people told me I was voting for the President because I wanted the government to take care of me.
I'm a civil rights baby so my not so subtle examples happened many years ago. I remember my mom registering people to vote in Knoxville Tenn and not being able to sit at the outdoor picnic tables in the park because we were black.

And this wasn't back in the 1800s. There are so many folks who want people to get over it and move on, but they don't realize how fresh it really is to some people. If it's happened in our lifetime, it's fresh. How do people just let that go? I can't even imagine.

 

[merryweather20]

Time to fess up...are you Amish?

You have to go and look up Amish courtship rituals. They date by sleeping in eachothers beds at night.

They certainly are racist though! You don't even want to know how few married interracially!

 

[smkiya]

I'm sorry, I was not trying to sugarcoat anything.
I believe what I said, that today, many black leaders make a living spewing racially offensive rhetoric and are able to get away with it because of white guilt.

ok, got your point, and to a certain extent I agree that some obviously have their own agendas. I have a lot more to add that includes the rest of your quote, but I can only type w/one finger for so long.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

You have to go and look up Amish courtship rituals. They date by sleeping in eachothers beds at night.

They certainly are racist though! You don't even want to know how few married interracially!

Is that racism or relgionism, though?

If there aren't any non-white Amish, it would be hard for them to stay within their religion and marry interracially.

Disclaimer: I do not know any Amish people, nor do I profess to know the racial make-up of the Amish, I am merely guessing based on that Harrison Ford movie where the kid witnesses a murder.

 

[merryweather20]

Is that racism or relgionism, though?

If there aren't any non-white Amish, it would be hard for them to stay within their religion and marry interracially.

Disclaimer: I do not know any Amish people, nor do I profess to know the racial make-up of the Amish, I am merely guessing based on that Harrison Ford movie where the kid witnesses a murder.

I was just kidding around, I think its also geography as well, you can only get so far, so fast in a buggy.

 

[eliza61]

And this wasn't back in the 1800s. There are so many folks who want people to get over it and move on, but they don't realize how fresh it really is to some people. If it's happened in our lifetime, it's fresh. How do people just let that go? I can't even imagine.

You're absolutely right. My dad won a silver star during the Korean War, he was station in NJ but since we lived in the South, in order for him to get home he had to change trains at Union station (Washington DC) because he couldn't ride the front of the train in the Jim Crow south. You are absolutely right, he is bitter over the fact.

I've never really understood why we as a country want to "get over" it. I think like the holocaust, Americans have to be vigilant against any type of hate. whether it's racism, sexism or terrorism, as long as people find it easier to hate one another we should scream, holler and fight against it.

It should be exactly like 9/11. We don't want slavery or civil rights to hold us back but we don't want to forget they happen or racism exist.

 

[mrsklamc]

my random thoughts: (I'm white btw)

Just out of college I worked at Lowe's. I had the big nametag that said "Micayla" and I got comments all the time about it being a 'black' name. Which is just bizarre because, just off the top of my head it has history in Spanish, Hawaiian, and Jewish culture. I just thought it was a really bizarre thing to say and people seemed to do it a lot. (now by 'a lot' probably once a month or so but I have NEVER heard that anywhere else in my life.) One married couple even started fighting about whether it was a 'white' or 'black' name right there in front of me.

Lived in North Carolina for awhile after growing up in a snow white town in the midwest. I didn't believe racism still existed so blatantly until I lived there! One weird thing that stood out to me-when I was first there I worked in a fast food drive through and the black guy I worked with could predict with stunning accuracy if someone was going to be white, black, or mexican (the predominant ethnicities in the area) by reading their order. He liked me and finally clued me in that usually Hispanics ordered 'coke' with everything, "We black folk like our orange drink cause it tastes like kool-aid,' and Caucasians were more likely to have Sprite, Dr.Pepper, Diet, etc. I was mortified because I thought it was racist, and he thought the naive white girl who just innocently believed everyone was the same was hilarious.

Back in the midwest, working an office/clerical job just out of college, I was absolutely BULLIED by the 2 black girls I worked with. I was BAFFLED. I did everything I could to be nice to them, and everyone in every department knew how I was treated. Finally I couldn't take it anymore one day and went to my boss, because everyone knew they were lying on their timecards, not really working, and bullying me. She said 'just think of all the things you have had that they don't.' I was baffled because I was not handed anything, out on my own at 14, put myself through college, etc. Finally she said, in a stage whisper, "Well, you know, they're BLACK." I was so stunned that someone would actually say that to me. I was eventually promoted and then moved on to a different company, but they were finally fired down the line.

 

[natcat117]

Just finished reading this thread. I don't have much to add, but...

The only experience I've had with racism was the time my family and I were followed around in a store. We're pretty dark-skinned Hispanics and were the only non-caucasians in the store. A few women left the counter and followed us around as we walked. I don't think it was my imagination that it happened because of my ethnicity, but I do understand that sometimes people "see" racism where it doesn't exist.

One of the most recent things that got me upset was the huge deal they made with the Princess and the Frog. It wasn't so much that people made a big deal that Tiana was black, but that Prince Naveen wasn't. I was on other forums where people argued exactly what race he is. He's a fictional character with a fictional nationality

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

One weird thing that stood out to me-when I was first there I worked in a fast food drive through and the black guy I worked with could predict with stunning accuracy if someone was going to be white, black, or mexican (the predominant ethnicities in the area) by reading their order. He liked me and finally clued me in that usually Hispanics ordered 'coke' with everything, "We black folk like our orange drink cause it tastes like kool-aid,' and Caucasians were more likely to have Sprite, Dr.Pepper, Diet, etc. I was mortified because I thought it was racist, and he thought the naive white girl who just innocently believed everyone was the same was hilarious.

Forgive me as I will sound very ignorant with my question though I do not intend to be....

What was racist--the comment he made or the fact that he made predictions.

B/c if he was stunningly accurate, it would seem that his predictions were based on his experience for that location.

I guess I don't understand why something would be considered racist if it were true. (I say this based on that you said he was stunningly accurate. I assume it was drive through orders perhaps b/c for him to guess and be accurate he wouldn't be able to see the person, right?)

His comment however--ick!

I know it sounds ignorant, but you have piqued my curiosity.

 

[mrsklamc]

One of the most recent things that got me upset was the huge deal they made with the Princess and the Frog. It wasn't so much that people made a big deal that Tiana was black, but that Prince Naveen wasn't. I was on other forums where people argued exactly what race he is. He's a fictional character with a fictional nationality

I was kinda baffled by this. I thought 'Isn't it more racist to say you HAVE to marry someone of your own skin tone?'

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

One of the most recent things that got me upset was the huge deal they made with the Princess and the Frog. It wasn't so much that people made a big deal that Tiana was black, but that Prince Naveen wasn't. I was on other forums where people argued exactly what race he is. He's a fictional character with a fictional nationality

Interesting.

Much was made out of what she was prior to being a princess as well. Even though (from what I understand) it was historically accurate, Disney was not able to keep her as a cook for a family and she instead became a cook/chef in a restaurant. It was considered to be a form of racism by casting the character in such a role.

I guess I can understand since it is a fictional movie and the writers have options--but when you set something in any given time period, it can happen. Since it is "pretend" and Disney--they were able to change it so as not to upset people.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I was kinda baffled by this. I thought 'Isn't it more racist to say you HAVE to marry someone of your own skin tone?'

Now shrubber's earlier comments make sense.

 

[mrsklamc]

Forgive me as I will sound very ignorant with my question though I do not intend to be....

What was racist--the comment he made or the fact that he made predictions.

B/c if he was stunningly accurate, it would seem that his predictions were based on his experience for that location.

I guess I don't understand why something would be considered racist if it were true. (I say this based on that you said he was stunningly accurate. I assume it was drive through orders perhaps b/c for him to guess and be accurate he wouldn't be able to see the person, right?)

His comment however--ick!

I know it sounds ignorant, but you have piqued my curiosity.

Maybe I was the ignorant one, but I just assumed you couldn't or shouldn't assume anything about anyone's skintone based on anything but their skintone.

I wasn't exposed to racism in real life growing up , because there wasn't really anyone who wasn't 'white' in my town. Like, literally, DH and I both have distinct memories of the first time we saw someone in person who was 'of color.' There were a few kids who were half mexican in our HS, but my naive little brain just thought of them as people with darker hair and eyes than me. So ANY stereotype played out in real life was just bizarre to me.

 

[DawnCt1]

It'd be ridiculous to think that everyone who didn't vote for Obama is a racist... but it is NOT ridiculous to think that a good handful didn't vote for him simply based on race. There were people on the news giving commentary who blatantly said things such as "I don't think our country is ready for a black president."

Just in the last couple of weeks, Google has had issues with these websites who are getting through their image filter with a monkey's face photoshopped onto Michelle Obama's photo. They've had to remove it several times.

Google "tea party racist signs" or something to that effect and look at the horrible images that come up.

It's kind of how I felt about Muslims after 9/11. I totally get that not everyone that is a Muslim is a fundamentalist, crazy terrorist, but stand up against those who make you look bad.

If you don't want to be associated with racists.. then separate yourselves. Stand up against nutjobs that hold these signs and smile for the camera. To me, if you attend these rallies, then it looks like you support the nutjobs who perpetuate it.

I mean.. where are the Christians that are standing up against Westboro Baptist Church?? Those horrendous "people" aren't going to listen to anyone who isn't one of them.. that's for sure. Where is the Baptist organization?? Why don't they speak up about Westboro??

Ugh. I don't know. Some things amaze me.

1. Are you discounting the fact that many voted for Obama strictly based on race.
2. With regard to the Westboro Baptist Church. They do not belong to the "Baptist organization". They are their own entity and have sustained much and appropriate criticism
3. Tea Party attenders are not racists. They have political concerns.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Maybe I was the ignorant one, but I just assumed you couldn't or shouldn't assume anything about anyone's skintone based on anything but their skintone.

I wasn't exposed to racism in real life growing up , because there wasn't really anyone who wasn't 'white' in my town. Like, literally, DH and I both have distinct memories of the first time we saw someone in person who was 'of color.' There were a few kids who were half mexican in our HS, but my naive little brain just thought of them as people with darker hair and eyes than me. So ANY stereotype played out in real life was just bizarre to me.

I don't think you are. I was assuming when you told the story that maybe he was guessing blindly and then happeend to be right. I don't know the circumstance. It just seems weird to use "stunningly accurate" and then call someone's behavior racist so I was trying to figure out if he was oddly accurate at guessing or simply just being a jerk and blowing hot air your way.