R Card? (Debate)

[MosMom]

Originally posted by MHopkins2
Well, that too, under the right circumstances. I mean, people hear "underage drinking" and think of Drew Barrymore, 9 years old and getting hammered on her parents' Scotch. There's a big difference between that and a group of high school kids at a party, all spending the night at the party-holders house, with at least one person sober enough to prevent any moronic behavior. (Which was usually me, back in the day. )

So, do you think smoking in the presence of adults is harmless?

I see them both as drugs that do damage to your body and not quite harmless.

 

[MHopkins2]

Originally posted by Son of the Morning
Let me put it this way:

In a week and a half, I'm going to be going on a graduation trip to Disney World. There, I'll be eating at the California Grill... Artist Point... the Yachtsman Steakhouse... Narcoossee's...

... and at each place, I'll have a Coke with my dinner.

Bull****? I think so.

Agreed.

 

[MHopkins2]

Originally posted by MosMom
So, do you think smoking in the presence of adults is harmless?

I see them both as drugs that do damage to your body and not quite harmless.

I agree with that (to some extent anyway), but I don't make a major distinction between an adult and a mature teenager.

 

[Maleficent13]

Originally posted by MosMom
So, do you think smoking in the presence of adults is harmless?

I realize this was directed at MHopkins, but I'll answer too! No, I do not think smoking with anyone else present (in a confined space) is harmless, because it harms everyone in the room, not just the smoker. But drinking harms no one but themselves. As long as you are in the room you plan to stay in, and not planning to get behind the wheel of any vehicle, you aren't hurting me.

I am not talking about alcoholics. I'm talking about the 20 year olds who want to occasionally have a drink. They are doing no more harm to their bodies than the 22 year old next to them, doing the same thing. I think the same applies to smoking. Damage is damage, regardless of age.

 

[emmagata]

Originally posted by Maleficent13
The radio personalities, and all the callers too, for that matter, were calling parents lazy and useless and saying this was just another way for parents to get out of parenting. "Just sign your kid over to violence, sex and drugs and go about your merry way" was I believe one statement.

What was that??

All I got was blah blah blah.

 

[Lewisc]

It's an improvement. A few years ago my daughter wanted to see an R movie. No problem, we bought her the ticket and my wife and I went to see a different movie. My daughter had to "sneak" in. The theater was requiring the adults to actual watch the movie with their children and was checking as they entered the theater. Just because I don't have a problem with my kids seeing a movie doesn't mean it's a movie I want to watch.

Up until a few years ago R rated movies were more on the honor system, older teens weren't really questioned. In most of the country the age 17 rule is not law but merely industry policy.

I think the drinking age SHOULD be lowered. College students should be able to drink on campus as opposed to getting phony ID and driving to nearby bars.

Do you have be older than 18 to do anything other than drink?

 

[EsmeraldaX]

Originally posted by MHopkins2
I heard about this a few weeks ago. Sounds good to me, with the caveat that anyone (minor or not, for that matter) can get booted from the theater if they can't sit down, shut up, and watch the movie.

Although, I would hope parents would think long and hard before just giving one of these to their kids. If I had a kid, I would probably not go for this because I just don't think that kids should be exposed to certain R rated movies. But every parent can do what they want, I guess.

 

[C.Ann]

Originally posted by caitycaity
i agree that underage drinking CAN be harmless, but underage drinking can also cause death and i've never heard of an r-rated movie doing that.

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Guess I missed the part where someone stated - or implied - that R-rated movies "cause death"..

Doesn't matter what the movies "create" - the bottom line is that parents have the right to determine how their underage children behave whether you, I or the next person agrees with it..

 

[caitycaity]

Guess I missed the part where someone stated - or implied - that R-rated movies "cause death"..

people (such as yourself) were equating this card and underage drinking. i said it wasn't the same thing and that is one reason why.

 

[MosMom]

I was trying to remember back to when I was younger and I can't remember ever being asked whether I was of age to see a movie. I'm sure I went to see some "R" movies too. Chris & I think they have become more strict recently about ratings though. We were watching Airplane the other day and noticed it was rated PG. I don't think that movie would EVER get a PG rating today.

On the flip side, we have seen movies where we couldn't see WHY it was rated for an older group and seen movies where we thought it should have been rated older.

I believe I've read before that there is a fair amount of politics involved in ratings.

I guess my point is, you shouldn't rely on a rating anyway. Get the card and discuss with your child what movies they can and can't see. I would get the card but if there was a movie that I was certain I didn't want my children to see, I would make that clear.

Of course, they can sneak into the other movie and not tell me but they could do that WITHOUT the "R" card as well.

 

[Betsyt82]

I believe that if my son or daughter was mature enough to have the card at 16 I might get them one. I really think that there are some movies that are rated R that I would let a 16 year old see. Fifteen to me is a little young to handle some of the stuff that is in an R rated show. But I feel that most of the parents that would get this card thought about the maturity level of their child, or at least I should hope so.

 

[jwsqrdplus2]

Wow, I never thought I was conservative in regad to my parenting skills until I read this thread.

Let me start with the fact that my kids are 5 and 2 right now. I cannot see myself buying one of these R cards for my girls. I hope that I will have instilled in them the values so that they know which movies they can see, and those that they shouldn't. But I cannot see me giving them carte blanche to see any movie they want at 15 and 16. Kids grow up (and in some cases are encouraged to grow up) too soon these days. To me, the R card looks like one more way for kids to grow up too soon.

As to the recent HS graduate who thinks it is BS that he cannot drink at the nice restaurants at WDW, congratualtions on your graduation! But (flame resistant suit ready), you are not 21, so deal with the fact that you cannot legally purchase alcholic beverages. There are other ways to celebrate than with booze! (and no, I am not a saint; I did imbibe when I was underage)

 

[MHopkins2]

Originally posted by jwsqrdplus2
As to the recent HS graduate who thinks it is BS that he cannot drink at the nice restaurants at WDW, congratualtions on your graduation! But (flame resistant suit ready), you are not 21, so deal with the fact that you cannot legally purchase alcholic beverages. There are other ways to celebrate than with booze! (and no, I am not a saint; I did imbibe when I was underage)

He *is* dealing with it - he's just saying (accurately IMNSHO) it's bull**** that he can't have a glass of good wine with his CG pork tenderloin.

I especially love the last two sentences - at least you're up front about your hypocrisy.


[Didn't want to let your perfectly good flame suit go to waste. ]

 

[ckr]

ITA, jwsqrdplus2. No flames from me.

Actually, at 39, I still eat my great WDW meals with a Coke. Well, diet Coke. Doesn't make them any less great. Or the atmosphere any less wonderful.

If the lack of an alcoholic beverage ruins your enjoyment at WDW, you've got a bigger problem than being underage.

 

[stinkerbelle]

Originally posted by MHopkins2
He *is* dealing with it - he's just saying (accurately IMNSHO) it's bull**** that he can't have a glass of good wine with his CG pork tenderloin.

well - you blame society...maybe there was a reason that the drinking age was raised from 18 to 21 years ago.

do you think that someone should be given a card such as an R-Card that says "my mom said I could drink tonight?" heheheh

wow...the debate board is alive and well

 

[poohandwendy]

I have no problem with 'R cards', it still leaves the decision up to the parents. I mean, really...the introduction of videos and DVDs has pretty much made R rated movies accessable to kids of all ages. It is up to parents to do the parenting...not society.

I cannot compare it to underaged drinking or smoking, they just are totally different, IMHO.

 

[MHopkins2]

Originally posted by stinkerbelle
well - you blame society...maybe there was a reason that the drinking age was raised from 18 to 21 years ago.

Oh I'm sure there was a reason, I'm just not convinced there was a good reason.

wow...the debate board is alive and well

I'm doing my best.

 

[emmagata]

Originally posted by jwsqrdplus2

Let me start with the fact that my kids are 5 and 2 right now. I cannot see myself buying one of these R cards for my girls. I hope that I will have instilled in them the values so that they know which movies they can see, and those that they shouldn't. But I cannot see me giving them carte blanche to see any movie they want at 15 and 16. Kids grow up (and in some cases are encouraged to grow up) too soon these days. To me, the R card looks like one more way for kids to grow up too soon.

I got thinking after I read this and your comment about carte blanche stuck out.

You could still get an R-card for your kids but only let them use it when you see fit to let them see an R movie.

 

[poohandwendy]

Oh I'm sure there was a reason, I'm just not convinced there was a good reason.

Ok, gotta don my flame retardant suit for this one....my guess is that 18 year olds were expected to be adult like back then. And they were. Then came the "parenting(protecting) til they are 30" mentality....the result was the most immature young adults in the history of the world.

(I KNOW that not all young adults are immature, but for the many who are, I blame the parents for not doing their job and preparing them for adulthood well before they graduate from HS) The few that are mature lose due to the idiots.

JMHO

 

[emmagata]

Originally posted by stinkerbelle
well - you blame society...maybe there was a reason that the drinking age was raised from 18 to 21 years ago.

do you think that someone should be given a card such as an R-Card that says "my mom said I could drink tonight?" heheheh

wow...the debate board is alive and well

It was doing ok til now.