Question for all you campers out there....

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OK. I am in the pre-pre-pre stages of planning a cross America trip. I figure this is in 2-3 years, in the summer. We would rent a friends pop up trailer(with inside and outside stove). I thought 5 weeks would be all we could do, maybe even 4, but that would be pushing it. We would start in NY, go to Redding, Ca. down to San Diego and back a southern route.

Questions: How do you find out if a particular campground is a good one or not? Only go to them if they have a website and you can see pictures??

Are the KOA campgrounds good?? I ordered their free directory.

Are National state park campgrounds the way to go??

I will be planning our trip as far as what cities we want to see, and then look for campgrounds near there, is this the correct approach??

We are not a camping family, but we are a very flexible, fun family and have always wanted to do a cross country trip, and this is the only way to afford it. I figure we might be able to stay at a hotel one night a week as a treat. Ofcourse I would look for a hotel that has space for our pop up also, do you think they allow that??

Obviously, I have no idea what I am doing, that is why I need my Dis friends advice and help. So.......................tell me your ideas, experiences, what NOT to do, where NOT to go, what NOT to forget, etc. I need all the help I can get.

Thank you so, so ,so much in advance.
 
Sorry that I can't help you, but I wanted to say this is a great thread - I've also thought of going cross-country one summer and have no idea how to go about it. Best of luck getting the information you need!

- A neighbor in Cortland :)
 
Thank you, neighbor. :)

Do you think I should have put this on the Disney for families board??

Moderators........................could you move this over there, or should I just post it myself to that board??

Thanks. :)
 
My dad has been going on summer long camping trips forever. I know if there is a KOA in the area they are in, they always choose to stay there over any other campground.
 

check out the Woodall's Campground Directory for campsites. Many libraries carry this directory. I would also recommend posting on the Disney camping thread. Lots of campers there!

We have a pop-up and love to camp. Sounds like a great adventure!
 
I love State or National park campgrounds, the prices are usually pretty good, and they often offer free activities, and security always seems to be top notich.
 
We are a camping family. We have a pop up camper and we are a family of 4. Growing up my parents and I did this very trip, although we started in Northwest Indiana and we went up through Canada and then down through California and then home a southern route. We did the trip in three weeks. We saw a lot and it was very educational. I think we stayed in a hotel about once a week.

You might want to check out this website. It has tons campground reviews for every state. We've used this website for many of our camping trips. They even has links to the campgrounds that have websites!! We've also camped at several State/National Parks. Although they are usually very clean, the amenitites are lacking (usually no pool or nicer shower houses).

http://rvparkreviews.com/

You also might want to post this question down on the camping board...those people are the greatest!! Many experienced campers who are willing to help!!

Good luck and have fun!!
 
Sounds like a great trip!

Check out the various websites others have recommended, and just remember, you can run into bad and good camp sites, just like hotels.

I do agree with most of the state and national parks, although check them out also, as we've found some of the national parks are pretty primitive (no electric, some have not so good showers, etc.)

And some states are better than others with the state parks. I live in Kentucky, for example, and our state parks are generally very very nice, some have swimming pools you can use etc.

Good luck with your weight loss also. You will earn AP's doing all the walking at Disney!

:sunny:
 
This is something I plan on doing with my kids in the next couple of years. We are a camping family and camp locally during the summer. Since you are not a camping family you should borrow the pop up before you set out on a trip of this nature. One make sure you really like to camp. Two make sure camping and all that family togetherness are right for your family. Three make sure you like towing and setting up the pop up. Any one of these can ruin your vacation.

As far as campgrounds you never know until you arrive. Pictures on the internet or in brochure may be years old. Stop for the night early and if the campground isn't up to your standards then you still have time to find another. KOA's are usually pretty nice but they can be a lot more expensive. You can sign up for their camping card and receive a discount on your stays.

If you plan on visiting the national parks check out the national parks family pass. It is around $50 and gets you into all the national parks free for a year.

Here are some websites I have found while doing my own research
http://www.onroute.com/feature/index.html#kids
http://www.roadtripamerica.com/road...ain.cfm?CFID=46538&CFTOKEN=26312437&CFApp=44&
http://www.roadfood.com/
http://www.nps.gov/
http://gorp.away.com/gorp/go_rv/rv_famvac.html
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-557586-road_trips-i
http://www.familytravelguides.com/
http://www.campnetamerica.com/
 
Oh, my! Did I write this post? We are also planning a cross-country driving trip for 2-3 years from now! We're starting from the East coast and our plan is to go to California and back in 4-5 weeks. As a matter of fact, my very rough-draft plan is laying on the desk in front of me right now. Here are the decisions we've made thusfar:

We started with the idea of renting an RV or a pop-up of some type, but after some investigation, we dropped the idea and decided to stay in hotels. We are a camping family, but we decided this just wasn't the best decision for us. Why? You'll make more miles each day in a regular car, and we want to maximize time having fun rather than time driving. We have plans to visit many big cities as well as National Parks; we can't see ourselves driving a big RV through downtown Chicago, nor do we want to have to back-track to the campground to pick up a pop-up. Next, making and breaking camp takes a significant amount of time each day. We plan to make our trip in July, and the lack of air conditioning was a consideration. If we've hiked all day, we want to come back to a cool room. We also knew that some nights we'd be setting up camp after dark, which didn't appeal to us. Don't forget, too, that camping isn't free. We usually pay $12-20 (to tent camp) per night, depending upon location and season -- that could be 1/3 the price of a cheap hotel. The gas savings (from not pulling the pop-up) will probably bring you to 50% the cost of the hotel room. Will you need to buy any equipment to camp (lanterns, propane cookstove)? If so, don't forget to count that in the cost of your trip. I don't know if you will reach the same decision, but we decided that though they'll cost a bit more, hotels were more realistic for us. We're a family of four, so we fit into a standard hotel room nicely.

You asked about KOA campgrounds: I've only stayed in one (Savannah, GA). We rented a "cabin" -- it looked remarkably like the storage shed in my back yard except for the bunk beds inside. You know, a little barn shaped thing made of cheap wood. We were awakened during the night by the police chasing a criminal through the campground. Realistically, I know that I could be at the Ritz-Carlton, and the police could run through -- but it gave me a bad impression of KOA, and I won't be back. It was one of the worst campgrounds I've ever stayed in.

We really like the State and National park campsites. Typically you pull in and drive through the campground until you find an empty site that suits you. Prime sites have level ground and are close to the bath house. If there's a "loop", the campsites on the outside are better spots (bigger, more privacy). Sometimes they have one section for tent campers and one section for RVs and pop-ups (I think that's because of the need for electricity/water in the RVs). Campsites vary: You can count on having a fire ring and a picnic table; you may also have a lantern hook, an electrical outlet, or a fire extinguisher -- it's always a surprise! The bath houses are usually decently clean, but they sometimes run out of toilet paper. You may have to wait in line for the shower. When you arrive in camp, you set up your equipment and the ranger comes around later (usually at dinner time because that's when everyone's "home") and collects the night's fee. Most campground people are very friendly: you see kids riding their bikes up and down the road, everyone speaks as they walk about camp, etc. Lots of people bring pets. I've found that most of the time campers aren't "going somewhere" as you will be on your trip -- for most of them, camping IS their destination. Most of the time, everyone's quiet by 9 or 10:00 in the evening. Often the rangers offer very informative nature programs (free or very low cost), which we enjoy very much. Epinions.com is a good place to glean information on campsites and National Parks.

I wholeheartedly agree with what someone else said: Since you are not a camping family, you should really try a couple trips before you commit to this lifestyle for a month or more! You need to be sure that you're okay with the walk to the bath house, cooking in the pop-up, etc. And it might be the right choice for your family -- I'm sure we don't have identical expectations for our two trips! I don't mean to sound like I"m trying to talk you out of camping -- I'm just telling you how we talked ourselves out of it!

We chose Days Inn as our "hotel of choice". It's everywhere, it's cheap, and by using the same chain regularly, we'll earn reward points. Right now their deal is good: stay twice, get a $25 gift card. For this trip, we cannot afford luxury, and we're fine with that. We're the type of people who can go to a fine oceanfront hotel, then go camping the next weekend -- we're very flexible and we adjust our expectations according to the event.

We have also found a couple Hostels (they've dropped the name "Youth Hostels" and they accept people of all ages now) that look pretty good. Both DH and I stayed in Hostels as teens, so we have a positive attitude towards them. Typically, you pay about $18/person/night to stay in one. You can get a family room, or you can split up into same-sex dorms. The price includes linens, a bath down the hall, a common room with TV, pool tables, etc., and a kitchen -- it will vary from location to location -- some hostels include a free breakfast. One big benefit: hostels almost always have washers and dryers. They typically do not have hotel-ammenities like maid service or pools. Do a google search ("hostels + Philadelphia"); I found one hostel in St.Louis that sounds like a dump, but the other two I've located (Philadelphia and Chicago) sound like places we'd enjoy staying; both are right in the middle of the things we want to see and are bargain prices compared to the hotel prices in these big cities! I also found one in Orlando that will be perfect for my scout troop when they go to Discovery Cove.

We're also checking out some cabins in the National Parks; they'll be more expensive, but they make sense for some locations. We'll probably enjoy a bit more space as a splurge on those nights.

We don't have a complete budget for our trip yet, but we're putting money aside each month into a special account. We're very frugal people, and we will not go into debt for this trip. If we have to put it off another year to save enough, that's fine. If we do it in 2008 (our target year), our girls will be 12 and 15, and we think that's a perfect age.

We're planning one restaurant-meal per day, and the others will be picnic-type meals. We'll take a small grill, a cooler, etc. We'll bring many refillable water bottles; I took a trip like this when I was a teen, and I remember specifically that our bodies craved water-water-water in the dry heat of the desserts and plains.

We're definitely going to buy an Eagle Pass (I think that's the name) for the National Parks. It gives you and everyone in your car free admission to most National Parks for one calendar year. Cost: $50, which will pay for itself the third time it's used! Because we have many National Parks on our agenda, this is a no-brainer for us. This pass also gives you a discount on some ranger-led programs and discounts in some gift shops.

The park service also sells a "Passport to Your National Parks", which will be in everyone's 2006 Christmas stocking. It looks like an American International Passport, but it has a place for a stamp for every National Park and Monument -- I think the kids will get a kick out of this. See them at eparks.com

Some of the things we plan to do are very expensive (a hot air balloon ride near Mt. Rushmore and the Crazy Horse monument), others are free (the St. Louis Zoo and hiking to the Continental Divide in Rocky Mountain State Park). Adhering to a "scrimp and splurge" theory, we're making no attempt to be consistant in our spending. We're choosing the things that we really want to do, and we're going to do them regardless of the cost -- we may never return to some of these places again; on the other hand, when a good budget alternative exists, we're going to take it. We know that the low-cost activities (i.e., free museums) will be repeated many times during the trip; the expensive activities (i.e., white water rafting) will be one-shot deals.

We're finding that a few things need to be reserved FAR in advance. For example, if you want to do a mule trek to the bottom of the Grand Canyon in the summer, you need to make reservations something like 20 months in advance. So we're not really all that far ahead!

We plan to give the children good hiking boots, good day packs, water bottles, etc. on gift-giving occasions as the trip approaches. The Christmas before, I'm going to give them each a $150 pre-paid VISA for their souveniers; that'll be a major gift for them. From previous vacations, they understand the "I am responsible for my own souveniers and when the money is gone, it's gone" theory.

Once the time is closer, and our route is planned, we'll go to restaurant.com and buy some coupons; you can always get a code from mousesavers.com at the end of the month, and you can often buy $25 gift certificates for restaurants for $3-5 (read the details on every gift certificate carefully -- some of them limit days of the week, etc.). DH and I will also try to collect gift certificates for fast food, etc. as the time draws nearer; we always seem to have them around, so we'll save them up for the trip.

DH did a computer search for travel and tourism for every state in the Continental US. The mailman hated us for a month -- we got TONS of stuff from every state. Some days it literally wouldn't fit in the mailbox, and he'd come by and -- WHAP! -- throw it at our metal door. The kids loved reading the booklets. Perhaps most importantly, many states sent us actual, full-sized maps for free. Warning: Do not request anything from South Carolina. They killed a whole forest mailing us stuff. The irony: We live in North Carolina, and we're not planning to include the states adjacent to our own in the trip activities -- those places are all do-able as long weekends. We want to focus on the farther states. We also decided to skip Washington DC because it could easily take a whole week -- that'll be another trip for us. And we eliminated Florida from our planning because we've been all over Florida so many times.

Our organization methods: We have a notebook with a page protector for each state, and when we find information about something we want to do in that state, we slide it into that protector (we have cut up all those brochures, and we have kept only the things that interest us most). We have a tenative plan now, so we'll be eliminating a few states and weeding out the activities that don't make the cut. I plan to eventually have two notebooks to take on the trip: 1) An activities notebook which will contain our route, brochures for places we plan to visit, hours of operation, notes about "must sees", tickets that we may have bought in advance, etc. It'll be laid out as Day 1, Day 2, etc. 2) An overnight notebook, which will have a page for each place we plan to spend the night. Each night's page will contain the name of the hotel, its address and phone, a confirmation number, driving directions, etc.

Whew. That's what comes to mind first -- random thoughts at best. Please feel free to ask about other details we're planning, and I'd be interested in hearing your plans too.
 
bobcat said:
Since you are not a camping family you should borrow the pop up before you set out on a trip of this nature. One make sure you really like to camp. Two make sure camping and all that family togetherness are right for your family. Three make sure you like towing and setting up the pop up. Any one of these can ruin your vacation.

As a long-time camper I can't emphasize this advice enough. DO NOT plan this trip until you have tried camping a few times. Putting up a pop-up daily is no small thing. Neither is towing over the Rocky Mountains. Just being together 24/7 in a tent-on-wheels for 4-5 weeks would be enough to put some people over the edge. I mean, 5 days of rain would do that to me. :umbrella: You also need to look at your insurance and make sure it covers your friends' pop-up.

You may want to start this summer taking shorter trips with the kids to acclimate them to the sounds and routines of camping. I find state parks to be clean and inexpensive;:3dglasses they often have free nature programs, too. Our family has been camping for many years, only going to a pop-up on the last 2 yrs. I wish we had bought one earlier, it is so much fun. But I'm pretty sure i would not want to go cross country with it. :sad2:
 
Ok...guess what we did last June/July? We traveled for 5 weeks from PA to CA and back. We took our motorhome (MH). We used to own a pop-up and as a camping family, I can tell you that we did not want to put it up and take it down every day for 5 weeks! As far as space, a pop-up would have been downright tight quarters for 5 weeks for our family. That being said, we decided to trade it in for a used MH. After doing the trip, I honestly can not even imagine doing this in a regular vechicle towing a popup or even trailer. It was so nice to have the extra room as you are driving. Immediate access to a restroom (that alone must have saved us hours on bathroom breaks!)
As far as our approach to the trip, DH and I sat down and came up with a list of our sites that we wanted to see. We planned the route, based on our destinations. As a previous poster mentioned, keep in mind National parks especially book up fast. (If you want to do Yosemite - check out their guidelines for making camping ressies. Took us over 4 hours using two cell phones and our home phone. Worse than CRT Princess Breakfast! But SO WORTH IT!)
Ok - here are the destinations where we stayed two nights: Colorado Springs, Mesa Verde (1 night) didn't get to the ruins, Four Points (just visited),Grand Canyon, Las Vegas, Disneyland (stayed at Grand Californian!), Laguna Beach (just visited - not esp. worth it), Giant Sequioua Natl. Park (1night), Yosemite (my favorite National Park by far!) San Francisco, Traveled "the lonelist road" thru NV (KOA at Ely very nice), Salt Lake City, Yellowstone, Mt. Rushmore area - what a great part of the country!, Door County (to see relatives), took ferry across Lake Mich. then back home to PA.
We have memberships in Flying J - where we bought our diesel and propane, also the Good Sam club - kind of a AAA for RVing. Good Sam has a directory of campgrounds - think bigger that your college dictionary - that includes ratings. They included National Parks, state parks, private campgrounds and KOA's. We used it all the time. VERY helpful. Great maps as well.
DH put together a three ring binder that stayed on the dashboard that was broken down by day, with mapblast directions for the drive, as well as our reservation/confirmation papers for any place we were going that day. Also included brochures, other information, phone # that were for places of interest that day. We would have been lost without that binder!
We tried to eat out just once a day, and did rest of meals at MH. Remember you have microwave, stovetop, oven, refridge, and freezer. This saved us a ton of $, so we could splurge where we wanted to ...like at DL...Napa Rose Restaurant was incredible!
If you have any specific questions, ask away! Happy planning! Oh....and get a good digital camera - we took 1,997 pictures and it was so nice to be able to organize them and only print or burn to cd the ones we wanted to keep! (We downloaded to laptop about every other day!)

Pam
 
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I love camping, but I hate to camp where it is cold. Maybe some people here can take advatage of the free KOA camping for May 13th 2005, and tell us how was it? here is the link. http://www.koa.com/comecampwithus/

ps:Let me know if you were able to see Jason from the movie Friday the 13th. LOL
 
I just can't even believe how great you guys are. Wait, yes I can! :teeth:

Mrs. Pete........WOW! I'm going to need some time to digest it all. :) Thank you so much.

Pam.......OK, this is funny. You have done the exact trip we want to do, your name is Pam, and guess where I am from..........yep, Pennsylvania (Harrisburg)........too, too funny. Thank you for your advice.

But I must admit, my DH is having doubts about the pop up thing. I told you we were a flexible family and usually go with the flow. But my DH is an attorney........you know, the "book learning" type of guy, not the "handyman" type of guy. He admitted to me that he would be scared to death if something went wrong with the propane tank or the water line, etc....and the idea of setting up and tearing down EVERY single day............he just doesn't think we would like it. I think he is echoing what some of you have said. Soooooooo......................I'm thinking about what you said Mrs. Pete. But.....we are a family of 5. Problem. We don't fit in a standard room. And, we couldn't afford two rooms. Maybe we could swing it with Priceline. But then you are locked in to your dates and lose your money if you don't use it.

Aaarrrrghhhhh!!! I don't know what to do.

What do you think about staying in the cabins at KOA (or whatever) campgrounds. On their website you can tell which places have them. Anyone else ever use these?? Mrs. Pete, I know you said you had a bad experience, and I am not discounting that. Just wondering if maybe that was an isolated incident.

YOu all have been truly wonderful and have given me a lot to think about. I'm sure I will ask more stuff in the future, especially of those that have done this trip before.
 
We stayed in the KOA Kamping Kabins in West Glacier, Montana next to Glacier Park and also, on the other side of the park in St. Mary's, Montana (the one in St. Mary's was a larger kottage and had a small kitchen and bathroom but wasn't as clean). We had a great time at both though.

We really loved the one in West Glacier and will return. The cabins are small (10 X12 and only sleep 4 but they have a few larger with 2 rooms). It had a small heater, we could make coffee in the morning as they do have electricity and could have a camp fire at night. The campground had a nice small store, an outside restaurant, very clean bathrooms, a small pool and hot tub, flowers everywhere and ranger programs at night.... we loved it! The one thing I would suggest is buying Thermarest camping pads as the mattresses in the cabins are just foam and very thin. We would not have lasted more than a few nights without the pads. Just lay them over the mattress - we love these pads and always bring them on car trips in case we have an uncomfortable mattress. You do have to bring your own bedding. We bought a Thule for the top of our van and stored a lot of stuff up there - just watch the top in parking ramps!

Yellowstone (Roosevelt area - don't miss their evening chuckwagon) also has cabins (these have real beds) that are fairly inexpensive with a central bath house (some sleep 6).... we loved those also. I believe other areas of Yellowstone have inexpensive cabins with a central bath house).

Loved Colter Bay Cabins (more expensive but beautiful location) in the Tetons (they had several that sleep 6-8 people - not kitchen but they do have bathrooms). (Don't miss the Bar J ranch in Jackson Hole!) The National Parks are more rustic but clean and adequate. In Rocky Mt. National Park we stayed at the YMCA cabins in Estes Park and Snow Mountain Ranch on the other side - loved these!

I agree that tenting can take a lot of time as we have done that, also. The KOA cabins would certainly be a great alternative and still feel somewhat like camping. We have tent camped in the past but as we get older we find sleeping on the ground harder than it used to be.

Another great discussion board for campground reviews.... http://www.woodalls.com/cforum/index.cfm?site=WPD

Sounds like a great trip - wow 4 weeks - I'd love to take a trip across the country! We do have a rule - at least 3-4 nights (or more) in a destination area to do it justice. We'd rather go fewer places and enjoy them more....
 
Glad to be helpful! This is a topic we're discussing quite a bit in my house right now, so it's fun to pass on our plans here.

The third child does make a difference in hotel vs. camping. Having two children -- and both girls -- we "fit" perfectly into a standard room. If we had a third child, we might very well make a different decision for this trip. Have you considered renting an RV instead of the pop-up? The hostels, too, could be a nice fit for your family because many of the rooms have 3 sets of bunks and sleep 6.

How old are your children? Would it do to take a sleeping bag and have them alternate sleeping on the floor? Or a roll-away? I'm not generally a fan of that idea, but you won't be staying at the hotel -- you'll be heading out to new places every day.

KOAs -- Yes, the bad experience that I mentioned was my ONLY experience ever with KOAs. In all fairness, you should get info from others who may know more than I do. However, I have always had a great time at National and State campsites. They are clean, friendly places where I feel okay allowing my children to walk to the bath house alone or ride bikes down the road with newfound friends. They're also plentiful enough that you should be able to find one everywhere. Try www.epinions.com for great write-ups on campsites; my screenname there is tlbp, and I've reviewed a number of campsites.

One more hint I thought of after I signed off last night: Many of the National and State Parks have a Junior Ranger program that's really nice. My girls took part in it for the first time last Thanksgiving when we camped at Edisto Beach State Park in SC. The museum on-property gave them a small activity book of things to learn at the park (high/low tides, sand dollars on the beach, Loggerhead turtles and why they're endangered -- it's always specific to the park itself -- we were at the beach, so our activities were beachy things -- other parks might require that the child hike a nature trail or identify several types of trees), and when they finished, the ranger gave them a nice Edisto Beach State Park patch. It was an on-your-own thing; no timetable. Cost of the program: ZERO. My girls are scouts, so they love patches for their scout uniform vests or their patch jackets. If your kids don't have a similar use for patches, you could get them each a throw blanket (or a tote bag) on which to sew the patches -- it'd be a nice reminder of what they learned at each park (not to mention it's a cheap souvenier).

I read that a few parks even have a web-ranger program, and the kids can do some of this "work" ahead of time, which would be excellent preparation for the visit. I have not viewed these programs myself yet, but if possible, I'm going to print off the activity books for in-the-car-learning.

Since so many people seem to be interested in a trip of this type, I'm going to start a new thread for people to post about the best activities in their own home states. I'm going to place it in the Camping folder. Everyone, please share! I'll start us off with info on North Carolina.
 
I am so glad to hear they still offer the passports. When I was 14 my girl scout troop took a two week driving vacation out west (mid point destination the no longer existing Girl Scout National Center West in Ten Sleep Wyoming) and we had the passports. I loved getting them stamped at each national park we stopped at. We tent camped, think giant canvas army style tent, and had a blast! This is one reason I want to take my kids on this type of trip.I have such vivid memories of all the things we saw and experienced.

OK DD has been on the DIS again and Forgot to log out! Grrrr
- bobcat
 


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