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@flyingdumbo127 Thanks for asking. Don is about the same, a little better, but not back to normal. One of the girls he worked with as a manager, messaged me today. She asked if she, and 2 of the other managers could come on Tuesday to see him and bring him a birthday cake. They still miss him. He said no at first, but then reconsidered and said he would like to see them. 2 of them haven't seen him since he retired in 2020, so I told her to prepare them for the difference in him. I didn't want to shock them.

Summer got excellent news today. She doesn't have cancer! They are still going to do a hysterectomy because of her family history, but she's okay with that. Finally she gets some positive news instead of all bad news!
 

...I'm outside now with one of the cats.
Saw this article in the L.A. Times today and thought of you!

I wanted to take my cat on a hike in L.A. What could possibly go wrong?​

A person in a baseball hat crouches next to a grumpy-looking cat on a leash in a wilderness setting

The author of this week’s newsletter adventuring al fresco with her feline family member, Orson.

(Los Angeles Times illustration; photo by Emanuel Röhss)
BY LILA SEIDMAN
NOV. 2, 2023 11 AM PT

Editor’s note: The Wild is all about featuring a variety of exciting voices from SoCal’s outdoors scene. For the next several weeks, that voice will belong to Times staff writer Lila Seidman. A native Angeleno who joined The Times in 2020, she’s investigated mental health policy and jumped on breaking news, and is excited to embark on a new adventure writing about the outdoors in her home state. She loves trail running in the mountains near her Tujunga home and revels in the continuous realization that Los Angeles always has more to offer. And, as you’ll read in this newsletter, she’s also mom to an increasingly intrepid cat.
Growing up with a rotating cast of felines in central Los Angeles in the late 1990s, it never crossed my mind to try to walk any of them. It seemed like a recipe for a nasty scratch.
Yet, when I took home an orange-and-white, flat-faced floof a little over a year ago, I resolved to give it a shot.

A photo of a person with a leashed cat on a trail next to a close-up photo of an orange-and-white cat

Orson, at left, walking the author on a trail and, at right, posing in all his feline glory among some sniffable flora.
(Emanuel Röhss)

My cat, Orson, is a Persian. The breed is known for enjoying warm laps, not the great outdoors. But he’s spunky. I wanted to give him the best life — and that didn’t seem like indefinitely pacing around the shoebox-sized North Hollywood apartment where we lived at the time.
My best friend pushed back. He accused me of trying to mold Orson in the image of Instagram-famous adventure cats. His tune changed when he saw how much Orson loved to walk on a leash. The cat enjoyed it so much that he began to sit near the door and yell when he felt he’d spent enough time within the oppressive confines of four walls.

Looking back, though, I’m certain that social media played a role in planting the seed of curiosity. I follow cats on Instagram that don’t just leash-walk outdoors but hike and even surf and ski. How else did my childhood notion that only a cat whisperer could make one walk on a leash transform into, “Maybe I can do this too”?
It’s not just me. Interest in ushering indoor cats out of doors has exploded in recent years. But is the impulse good for cats? It turns out the matter isn’t settled among those who train them.
“It is controversial in a lot of ways,” said Marilyn Krieger, a cat behavior consultant based in the Bay Area, who is firmly opposed to the adventure-cat trend.
There is general agreement, however, that Instagram, TikTok and other social platforms are fueling interest and normalizing the concept.

Lila Seidman walking a cat on a leash in an outdoor setting with a view of mountains in the distance.

It might look like a care-free hike in the hills, but Seidman says there was a lot to consider before taking to the trails with her four-legged charge.
(Emanuel Röhss)

To adventure or not to adventure​

Jackson Galaxy, a celebrity cat behaviorist and former host of Animal Planet reality series “My Cat From Hell,” said he fields questions related to walking cats “all the time” — from clients, social media followers and even people in the supermarket. Quite a contrast, says the San Fernando Valley resident, from 10 years ago when he walked a cat down the street and onlookers pointed and laughed because it was such an unusual sight. These days a cat on a leash ruffles fewer whiskers.
Galaxy is a big cat-walking proponent — as long as the cat is into it.
“It’s a great way of enriching your cat by giving them a little bit of what they lost, to be honest,” Galaxy told The Times, a nod to urbanization that he believes makes it too dangerous for cats to roam free.
“Their natural state is to be out there and exploring everything, from a bush to bugs to scratching on a tree, and harness training is a fabulous way of making that compromise where they’re out but they’re safe.”

An orange-and-white cat sniffs a plant

Seidman says that after his first outdoor adventure, Orson seems to yearn to revisit the wild.
(Emanuel Röhss)

According to Samantha Bell, a Hollywood-based cat expert for the animal welfare organization Best Friends Animal Society, the hype around out-and-about cats also could lead to more pets finding their forever home.
“I love it because I want more people to want cats, to adopt them, to get them out of our nation’s shelters,” Bell told The Times. “Anything that promotes cats in a positive light — in a new light — I’m thrilled with it.”
Not everyone feels Fluffy belongs in the wilderness.
Cat behaviorist Hannah McCoy highlighted the manifold dangers that leashed cats face, particularly in the hubbub of L.A. There’s no telling, she said, when an unleashed dog might spring from nowhere or a texting driver will swerve too close for comfort. Though McCoy receives several inquiries a week regarding venturing outside, she rarely recommends it.
“It seems … like every other video I see is, ‘I took my cat on a hike to Griffith Park,’ and it just really makes me cringe,” said McCoy, who runs Hannah’s Cat Training. “It’s so incredibly, incredibly, incredibly risky.”

A man in a blue hooded sweatshirt carries a mesh-sided backpack containing an orange-and-white cat

The author’s partner, Emanuel Röhss, carries the Persian passenger up a hiking trail during an outdoor adventure.
(Lila Seidman / Los Angeles Times)

She’d rather see a cat safely zipped inside a stroller, she said, but occasionally makes exceptions for cat owners who have an unusually good bond with their feline companion — and are willing to rigorously train and arm themselves with the necessary gear.
Krieger, who goes by the moniker the Cat Coach, draws an even thicker line in the sand.
According to her, cats are territorial animals, and indoor cats generally see the home as their territory. Taking them out of it can be stressful.
“Frankly, if that’s what people want from an animal that they’re living with, they should have a dog,” she told The Times.
The debate for many is a referendum on risk tolerance — and having confidence that your cat is on the same page as you.

How do the cats feel about it?​

James Eastham, co-owner of Gary — a cat who is Instagram-famous for skiing and tackling other sports in the Canadian Rocky Mountains — acknowledged his tolerance for risk might differ from others’. (I find it hard not to “heart” a photo of a cat wearing tiny ski goggles.)
Gary, according to Eastham, is up for it. And when he isn’t, Eastham — a former professional ski patroller — said he respects his cat’s unspoken “no.”
How does he know Gary enjoys heading down slopes? “I guess the question I always pose to people is, ‘Have you ever seen an angry cat?’ Cats are pretty clear about communicating how they’re feeling.”
Because the cat sits on Eastham’s shoulder when they ski, he said he can sense when Gary’s tense or relaxed. (When they hike, Gary has even taken (cat) naps on Eastham’s shoulders.)
Some adventure cats take a more moderate tack. Goma, a 4-year-old rescue, loves strolling on a leash in the mountains near Altadena for a mile or two, according to Max Yasuda, one of his owners.
After that, Goma starts complaining and sometimes lies down on the trail to let his parents know he’s had enough. Yasuda said he hikes the cat home in a backpack — a feat that has become more challenging now that Goma weighs 16 pounds.
f we don’t take him hiking enough, he sits at the door and meows and begs to go outside,” Yasuda said.
A word of caution: Once they’ve gotten a taste of outside, some cats will develop a habit of trying to dart out the door whether leashed or not, according to several behaviorists I spoke with. So cat custodians contemplating this sort of outdoor adventure should be aware of the risk of creating a door dasher.

Behind the scenes​

What often gets lost in the TikTok videos and Instagram posts is all the time, effort and safety considerations that go into cat adventuring.
Gary didn’t immediately go from Alberta house cat to conqueror of mountains. And Goma’s parents observe an extensive list of hiking rules, such as avoiding trails with runners and mountain bikers because “he thinks they are bears,” Yasuda said. Just training a cat to wear a harness can take weeks — and some cats simply won’t abide it.
Galaxy stressed that it’s important to seek “consent before you force them into a harness.”
Some cats, regardless of top-notch training, simply do not want to go out. In that case, it’s important to respect their wishes. All the cat gurus I spoke to agreed on this point.
Galaxy said he wished catfluencers would use their large social media platforms to take the time to educate people about what’s happening behind the scenes.
Thankfully, there is a wealth of free information available online that breaks down how to harness train, advises on the supplies you need and provides insight into what to expect.

A cat on a leash looks out over the mountains at a sunset

Orson strains at his leash to get a look at the setting sun during one of of his carefully orchestrated outdoor excursions.
(Emanuel Röhss)

Time to hike​

After talking to a whole bunch of cat professionals, I checked in with myself.
Weighing the pros and cons, I decided it was time to introduce Orson to the trail.
For more than a year, our walks had hewed close to home — in the front or back of the two domiciles we’ve inhabited together. I’d learned a lot about his likes and dislikes and how to confront obstacles. We were ready to explore something new. After toying with the idea of hiking for months, earnest scheming began this summer. Two weeks ago, we were finally ready to rock and roll.
And I knew just the place: a practically unused trail tucked in a residential area minutes from the doorstep of my foothills home. The trail’s solitude meant Orson was less likely to get spooked and its proximity to his home territory offered a rapid retreat.
My partner, Emanuel, and I packed water (enough for both humans and cat), treats and a bowl. Then we fitted the harness on our fur son, loaded him into a backpack he’s well-acquainted with and drove over. It was around 5:30 p.m. and 75 degrees. Immaculate blue skies rose overhead. (I strategically planned the outing to occur after an unseasonal heatwave.) We hiked him a few hundred feet into the terrain and clipped on his leash before fully unzipping the backpack.
At first, Orson was confused. He started running in one direction, then another, trying to orient himself. But, within a few minutes, he mellowed and started sniffing here, there and everywhere. I followed wherever he went — except when he tried to head down a steep ravine and I had to hold the leash firm. I pet him and fed him a treat to make him feel at ease. I also sang to him, but I’m not sure to what effect.

A photo of a cat in a mesh-sided backpack next to a photo of the same cat in a grassy field against a sunset

The author begins her journey with Orson in a mesh-sided backpack that he is familiar with. When she’s ready to take him on a leashed walkabout, she clips him into an H harness.
(Lila Seidman / Los Angeles Times)

It was golden hour. His fur appeared to be bathed in a halo as he turned to look at the setting sun over the San Gabriel Mountains in the distance.
For a few minutes, I let him take in the big wide world before scooping him up and returning him to the meshed safety of the backpack.
The whole “hike” lasted about 20 minutes. I wanted to end on a high note — what cat behaviorists call positive reinforcement.
Later that night, Orson meowed at the door. He was yearning for more wild.
Here are a few lessons I’ve learned on my cat-walking journey:
  • Orson walks me; I don’t walk him. Rather than walk straight like a dog, he meanders. This entails a lot of standing around while he sniffs plants.
  • My cat startles easily, so we walk in the evening and in areas where we’re less likely to encounter other people and animals, such as our backyard.
  • Sometimes he decides he wants to eat something questionable, so I always have to be on alert to intercede.
  • If he tries to go somewhere he shouldn’t, I shorten the leash and hold it taut.
  • Orson prefers a simple H harness — essentially a loop around his neck and belly connected by a strip of material. Other pet parents swear by bigger harnesses and jackets.
 
@lynxstch Glad Summer finally got some good news. I hope Don feels better. Have you talked with his doctor?

I am not a cat person but I am so glad alot of you take such good care of your cats and care for those who need good homes. Taking a cat on a hike is an interesting idea.

Good morning. Cold again but getting into the 50s today. Yesterday when I drove to work I could see the frost on the cars that were out all night. It is 28 here. Today I pick up Kenny's kids at the bus and then stay for dinner, most likely Chik Fil A. I am all chickened out to be honest so a salad may be dinner. Even for my meals at the condo I am staying away from chicken and going more for veggies and beans right now. Tomorrow I have a hair cut appt and then will go to Jeff's to see Luke play soccer. Since Aimee has a wedding to go to Jeff will have to bring all the kids. I can be another set of eyes. I am getting a cold which I most likely got from one of the grandkids. It is my usual start to a cold so I am sure what it is.

Off to work. Have a good day.
 
Orson walks me; I don’t walk him. Rather than walk straight like a dog, he meanders. This entails a lot of standing around...
That part if very true! My cats' adventures are just around our yard (occasionally the neighbor's yard) rather than driving to a trail, but they definitely lead the way. They wander around to their favorite spots, eat a little grass if they have a hairball to get up, or sometimes just lay down and sun themselves, and I bring a book or my phone. They definitely go to the door and ask to go out, so I know they like it, and it forces me to slow down and get some fresh air for a few minutes.
 
Don is about the same, a little better, but not back to normal.
Summer got excellent news today
He said no at first, but then reconsidered and said he would like to see them. 2 of them haven't seen him since he retired in 2020,
Sounds like you guys are enjoying some good news, so glad for you all. I hope Don enjoys his visit.
Saw this article in the L.A. Times
I'm no cat person, but even I have to admit that is one handsome cat!
Tomorrow I have a hair cut appt
I have one this afternoon- color & cut. I should stop coloring BUT I don't much care for the white so I'm going to keep coloring for know...I keep telling myself one day I'm going to go full Jamie Lee Curtis with the super short & white hair.

Good morning all. What's everyone got planned for the weekend? Just the usual for me - I have what I'm hoping will be the last big mow, that'll take a 3 or 4 hours on Saturday. I'm going to try out a mashed potato recipe - yes, I know. Sadly at 51 my mashed potatoes resemble glue. I feel like it should be intuitive but for me it's not! Sunday, after getting up at 4 or 5 AM :( due to time change I'll twiddle my thumbs until stores are open at around 10 or 11, then I have some returns to make, a possible trip to Costco and honestly - I need to do some furniture shopping but I hate furniture shopping, so I'm not sure if I'll do that or not.
Probably fit in a trip to the grocery store after my hair appt. this afternoon.
Stopped by the local greasy spoon/gas station/liquor store around the corner from the house yesterday evening and the smell of the cheesesteaks was sooooo good! I think we may indulge in some gross, greasy delicious cheesesteaks one night as well!
 
Good morning. Was 26 earlier, light frost. Going to be sunny and in the 50's today.
Still waiting to hear about the tree equipment, not holding my breath for it being this weekend. I would have thought they would have called before now if it was going to be there.

Nothing new around here. Finally watched this week's Survivor. Not unhappy about who went, but I still don't have any favorites.

I need to pass the carpet cleaner today on a few 'cat mistakes', but nothing else exciting on my to do list.
That's a great story @theluckyrabbit Thanks for sharing!

Have a great day everyone

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Good morning! Not a cat person either. Fun and great story, dear Luckyrabbit. PollyannaMom, it absolutely made me smile to think of dear you, my friend! Thank you and all of you of course for the love you give your cats and dogs, too!

Have a happy Friday friends with love.
 
If you like Mitch Rapp, I know you would also like authors, Brad Thor and Mark Greaney.
Thanks! I've read a little Brad Thor but Mark Greaney is new to me. I'll have to check him out.
One of the professors took us up to see the larger telescope (attached to a camera, not for direct viewing) and demonstrated how they turn it and control the dome. She took up a picture of the ring nebula, so we saw that on the computer screen.
How cool! I have a cousin who likes to do space photography. He has some beautiful pictures. Here is a picture that took 22 hours of imaging on the Andromeda GalaxyAndromeda.jpg

QOTD: Are you a Disney bag person and if so, what do you have?
I have a Disney tote bag that I got on the trip to WDW I took with Carol. Other than that I have nothing.
The surprise hit was some party-favor size slinkies I threw in the mix.
Carol wrapped small potatoes as a trick in tissue paper and some candy separately as a treat. Since she lives in the neighborhood next to where she teaches she heard about it all the next day. Carol took Lil Joe and Lou Lou out trick or treating and left a big bowl of tricks and treats in it on her front porch. The kids that got a potato thought that it was a hoot and the kids that didn't get one wished they did. Who would have thought?

Summer got excellent news today. She doesn't have cancer! They are still going to do a hysterectomy because of her family history, but she's okay with that. Finally she gets some positive news instead of all bad news!
That's wonderful to hear!
I wanted to take my cat on a hike in L.A. What could possibly go wrong?
Interesting article, thanks for sharing!
 
How cool! I have a cousin who likes to do space photography. He has some beautiful pictures. Here is a picture that took 22 hours of imaging on the Andromeda Galaxy
Wow - that's a great photo!!

Carol wrapped small potatoes as a trick in tissue paper and some candy separately as a treat. Since she lives in the neighborhood next to where she teaches she heard about it all the next day. Carol took Lil Joe and Lou Lou out trick or treating and left a big bowl of tricks and treats in it on her front porch. The kids that got a potato thought that it was a hoot and the kids that didn't get one wished they did. Who would have thought?
I saw a couple of reels on Instagram where people offered potatoes in with their candy (no wrapping) and the kids were all excited to choose them. It's funny what becomes a fad. :laughing:
 
Good afternoon.

It's gotten chilly around her quite quickly. The Highs this week were the lows last week.

I have popped in and checked on things but have been so busy dealing with pictures since the crash last year. Of course that meant I came up with a new BETTER way to organize again. Add to that my normal hectic life and I am busy. I also have 7 containers (plastic shoebox size) of OLD pics to go through and scan into the computer and then back up and organize. I may be done one day.

Glad to hear the good news from some of you and prayers for those who need them.

Anybody else think its a tad too early for Christmas. I saw people putting up decorations outside yesterday. My cousin has her tree up and decorated already. Then the commercials. I have named it a new holiday - Hallow-Giving-mas. The three holidays have all become one commercially.

I've been trying to plan a cruise for next year for Mikey but I am hitting a brick wall. I don't want DIsney for Alaska because of the itinerary. I was ready to book Princess but because he's a third person in the room he doesn't get the advertised perks. If any of you have cruised I'd love to hear what you liked or didn't like about different cruise lines.

QOTD - This one is easy. I almost NEVER carry handbags, I never have. I'm a backpack type of person and I mean regular sized backpacks. I do have a Disney one that I use sometimes for the parks but I found a travel backpack and used that the last 2 trips. I love it. It's nylon so very lightweight and perfect for the very few things I can't cram in my pockets.

That being said I have a Coach bag I won at a Bingo and used a couple times for funerals. I bought a Dooney and Bourke Phillies bag for games and I have a very small cross-body Phillies bag they gave away last year. I wear jeans usually so my wallet fits in my back pocket and keys go in my jacket pocket, I have also been known to attach them to a belt loop.

Oh well back to pictures. Have a great day/evening everyone
 
:grouphug:extra dear Kirby along with prayers, too. Good to see more posts this afternoon!

PollyannaMom that sounds like a fun day. Prayers it was, my friend:hug:

Snowysmom, Taz, and everyone, :hug:and enjoy the rest of the day! All quiet here. Waiting on Amazon and mail too.
 
Hello everyone…Beautiful space photo, Kris also loved all things space. His favorite author was Carl Sagan.

Today I made the stuffing and gravy for Thanksgiving. I have been making it ahead and freezing the last few years and I love that it frees up time and it is less anxiety for me. I tend to get stressed out when there are a lot of dishes that have to be ready at the same time.
 
Oh! What's that?

The class is tomorrow, but this is the description from the library's website:

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Join [xxxx] of [xxxx] for this adult (18+) Fun Fused Glass Workshop where you will create a dichroic fused glass key ring... a great stocking stuffer for your loved ones!

All materials will be included. No experience necessary!



I think we will choose pieces of glass, and then they will heat them to permanently fuse them together.
 
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