PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

[Maleficent85]

The wife was even overlooking the greedy points chart on the Theme park view 1 and 2 bedrooms, I on the other hand love my wife, but all in all I couldn’t see paying that direct price even on a portion of the reservation to use at spring break in theme park view 1 and 2 bedrooms. At least the resale savings helps cover some of the inflated points chart. I also couldn’t get out of my head that with that inflated chart I may wind up being able to sell that resale contract and buy cheap Saratoga to use at spring break Theme Park view for 1 and 2 bedrooms because it is so exceedingly expensive.

After considering buying 100 points direct at Poly as add on and there being no incentives for the 100 points ended up signing a contract for 150 points today resale for less money in total than you 100 direct would have been after factoring value of 2023 points. Adding on to 275 resale poly we already own bought during the late winter lows. Already being blue card not enough value to be able essentially use at Revenge of Reflections someday for the cost difference. Using at Disneyland at 7 months is a joke being a family of 5 and we actually own our direct points there and already own resale at Riviera. I wonder how many buyers Disney is losing to resale now that values are starting to come back out of orbit.

At the end of the day disney.dad "that I love" ended up doing the right thing which was getting me more DVC points than we probably needed. Trading off 50 direct points at full price for 150 points at $165 points was better in the long run. We have the benefit of having enough Poly points from our current contract to be able to switch a December long house reservation to a 1 bedroom theme reservation. The 50 points that we probably would have added on wouldn't have gotten us that extra book advantage either. I wanted a few points that weren't disneyland to use at future resorts but if a future resort comes along that we want to buy at we have contracts that we can sell to make it happen. I'm hoping for a villians themed hotel that dumps into Villians Land someday . It also helped to sway my husband that ROFR took a fully loaded 100 point 2023 and beyond dec use year at $88 per point seller pays 2023 and 2024 annual dues contract from us the same day Poly incentives opened.

 

[mkatsy]

I don’t think any inventory was held back. The declaration of rooms was very typical of all projects so what was left undeclared is normal.

And, being able to access undeclared inventory is not the same as everyone who wants to stay in a certain room type will get it. Just like a typical welcome home stay for new buyers doesn’t always yield what they want.

My guess is this will be the same. Call in on the 15th and MS will be able to secure something for a stay with the new points in developer inventory if it is not available via the declared.

We will have to see how it actually plays out and for how long this is a special thing for current owners.

But did those other projects have 4 million points already in circulation? It’s an appropriate amount to declare if you are starting from scratch.

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

I knew it was going to be ridiculous, but thought, maybe we just get a studio FW and then move to a 1 BR somewhere else on property for a week or so to do laundry LOL!

This is where we started too. I was set on buying a FW deluxe studio TPV, but DW started to think through this long term and what we really want to live in for a whole week in December. Of all things, the laundry access became a key topic and the full kitchen/2nd bathroom/longer balcony became close second priorities - especially for a longer stay. In the long run, we want those things more than we want to save 207 points, so the 1 bdrm studio TPV got the win.

 

[DanCali]

I think DVC is smart enough to manage declarations and inventory to make sure they are barely dipping into developer inventory to begin with. If they sell a ton of points this week, they’ll make another declaration prior to the 15th.

But will that help them if everybody trying to book on October 15 is trying to book the same date? Say Presidents’ Day weekend.

 

[Phatscott25]

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Respectfully, this board and resale buyers in general are the spreadsheet crowd, and not the majority of DVD’s market.

Most buyers will be people who buy direct and never churn their contracts, and I believe there’s an accurate calculation here on their part that they can make more $ overall by selling to John Q Public walking past a DVC booth than offering steep discounts to the DVC faithful.

I was going to post about this exact same thing. I got off the phone with my guide on Tuesday morning and at the time, he said they were really busy and it would probably be a 3 or 4 days before I see the points in my account. He called me last night to update me on the progress (another reason why I love my guide - he already told me timeframe but called anyway) and said they should be in my account by close of business tomorrow (which of course is today now). Anyway, the point is he was apologetic about the timing (again, even though it was well within the range he gave me on Tuesday) and said that the contract people have been swamped because Tuesday was an "all-time record day" for DVC sales.

So I don't think they're hurting as much as people on here think. As you pointed out, there are two things:

1. The posters on this board are a very small sample of DVC buying population
2. That sample is not representative of said population because posters on here are typically the "spreadsheet crowd"

I'm definitely not defending the high prices, I'd have certainly rather paid less. But from a business perspective, it was obviously a good choice and I'm sure they're doing just fine.

 

[Sandisw]

But did those other projects have 4 million points already in circulation? It’s an appropriate amount to declare if you are starting from scratch.

It doesn’t matter. Actually if they were concerned about the extra points already in existence to help owners, they would have declared more.

DVD does things for sales and they only declare in a way to support those sales.

This move is simply, at least in my optnion, a take on the MB program without it costing them money.

MB had people selling back first year of points for $20/point. This is allowing people to use those new 2024 points for a room instead…

We still don’t know exaclty how it will roll out. But look at BPK..they ended up declaring all rooms by opening day. And they did that because sales were brisk the first month or two.

That meant any new buyers of points there were told that getting a welcome home visit at their new home resort were out of luck.

So, this is a unique move and the fact that they are not giving this benefit, as reported, for use wi th current PVB points, tells you it is a temporary move.

It’s already been reported one guide said this ends when booking opens for all owners. And, they have the power to declare more rooms if they want if sales are strong, which can reduce the cash inventory needed to fill.

For all we know, this could end up being restricted in some way..ie: trip has to be 7 months or less.

 

[Sandisw]

But will that help them if everybody trying to book on October 15 is trying to book the same date? Say Presidents’ Day weekend.

Giving people access to their inventory for a trip is not the same thing as every owner with new points is going to get what they want.

They have simply said that the DVD is allowing new points to be used for open rooms that might exist on the cash side.

 

[mkatsy]

It doesn’t matter. Actually if they were concerned about the extra points already in existence to help owners, they would have declared more.

DVD does things for sales and they only declare in a way to support those sales.

This move is simply, at least in my optnion, a take on the MB program without it costing them money.

MB had people selling back first year of points for $20/point. This is allowing people to use those new 2024 points for a room instead…

We still don’t know exaclty how it will roll out. But look at BPK..they ended up declaring all rooms by opening day. And they did that because sales were brisk the first month or two.

That meant any new buyers of points there were told that getting a welcome home visit at their new home resort were out of luck.

So, this is a unique move and the fact that they are not giving this benefit, as reported, for use wi th current PVB points, tells you it is a temporary move.

It’s already been reported one guide said this ends when booking opens for all owners. And, they have the power to declare more rooms if they want if sales are strong, which can reduce the cash inventory needed to fill.

For all we know, this could end up being restricted in some way..ie: trip has to be 7 months or less.

They eventually tried to cut the magical beginnings off for brand new DVC members during the VGF fire sale. At some point, I think around August (there is a thread about it), they were only offering brand new people the March UY so you wouldn’t get any points to sell back. Buyers that were persistent were able to get a UY with the extra points and participated in MB, but there were some people didn’t know better and ended up disappointed when they found out what they missed. I got December. Of course, add ons got their UY no problem.

 

[Brian Noble]

Most people posting in this thread probably already know this, but in case some new folks are reading along:

Inventory that is declared "belongs to" the collective DVC owners. In principle, there should be a balance between the inventory "declared to DVC" and the points that have been or shortly will be sold by Disney. If points are not yet sold, but the inventory backing those points has already been declared, that's equivalent to Disney giving away something it owns and hasn't sold yet. In practice, there is usually a little more inventory declared than points sold, but only enough to support the sales of points for the next "little while"--on the order of months.

What's more, at the Poly, you are not buying "at the Tower". You are buying at the overall resort. Your points will be deeded to a particular, Unit, and that Unit will probably be in the Tower, but that's just for accounting purposes, it doesn't give you any special privileges in the long run for booking the tower.

Anyone considering buying Poly points should understand this--owning points at the resort gives preference only to the resort as a whole, not to any particular room type, the tower vs. the longhouses, etc. The only way to guarantee that you'll be staying at the tower (vs. the longhouses) is to buy a Favorite Week out of Tower inventory.

 

[CastAStone]

Is there any way we can tell what has been declared?

Sort of. The room types that have been declared were listed in the POS someone posted up thread, but not the views.

 

[DanCali]

Giving people access to their inventory for a trip is not the same thing as every owner with new points is going to get what they want.

They have simply said that the DVD is allowing new points to be used for open rooms that might exist on the cash side.

True - but they were saying it in the form of a dangling carrot to buy PIT now, so you can book right on Oct 15. So if someone is dropping $XX,XXX with the idea they will be able to book Presidents' Day weekend (or May 4, or any other highly desired date) at the new tower in a cheap studio, I was suggesting that they keep the option to cancel the transaction in case that carrot got eaten up by someone else (if it was ever there, since nobody can verify or rely on these type of verbal promises anyway).

 

[mkatsy]

Most people posting in this thread probably already know this, but in case some new folks are reading along:

Inventory that is declared "belongs to" the collective DVC owners. In principle, there should be a balance between the inventory "declared to DVC" and the points that have been or shortly will be sold by Disney. If points are not yet sold, but the inventory backing those points has already been declared, that's equivalent to Disney giving away something it owns and hasn't sold yet. In practice, there is usually a little more inventory declared than points sold, but only enough to support the sales of points for the next "little while"--on the order of months.

What's more, at the Poly, you are not buying "at the Tower". You are buying at the overall resort. Your points will be deeded to a particular, Unit, and that Unit will probably be in the Tower, but that's just for accounting purposes, it doesn't give you any special privileges in the long run for booking the tower.

Anyone considering buying Poly points should understand this--owning points at the resort gives preference only to the resort as a whole, not to any particular room type, the tower vs. the longhouses, etc. The only way to guarantee that you'll be staying at the tower (vs. the longhouses) is to buy a Favorite Week out of Tower inventory.

To put it into perspective, has anyone calculated the point value of the inventory that is being released on October 15th? Do we have a list of the categories/views?

 

[JackosinDIS]

Is there any way we can tell what has been declared? I’m

Here is what has been declared…this includes all the longhouse studios as well. Note only 1 dedicated 2br!

 

[Brian Noble]

To put it into perspective, has anyone calculated the point value of the inventory that is being released on October 15th? Do we have a list of the categories/views?

We've had this discussion, but I don't think it's that important to worry about what is declared right now, because it appears that DVC is going to give folks a crack at undeclared inventory during at least the "New Tower Buyers" period. That still might make it tough right when it opens, because everyone wants to be first, but...

The declared units are known and posted above. The views of declared inventory are not known AFAIK.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Ok… I’m looking at this video of the 2BD and the furniture looks a lot more custom than VDH… Could it use more color in the room…. sure…. but overall I still think this is a win. Can’t wait to see the lobby…

 

[Phatscott25]

Giving people access to their inventory for a trip is not the same thing as every owner with new points is going to get what they want.

They have simply said that the DVD is allowing new points to be used for open rooms that might exist on the cash side.

True - but they were saying it in the form of a dangling carrot to buy PIT now, so you can book right on Oct 15. So if someone is dropping $XX,XXX with the idea they will be able to book Presidents' Day weekend at the new tower, I was suggesting that they keep the option to cancel the transaction in case that carrot got eaten up by someone else (if it was ever there, since nobody can verify or rely on these type of verbal promises anyway).

I completely understand this. But my thinking is that the odds of getting what I want increase dramatically since, rather than completing against new purchasers and the 4MM+ points held by current owners, I'm just competing against new purchasers. And the undeclared inventory is much larger than the small portion that has been declared. So my odds of getting what I want improve quite a bit. But is it guaranteed? Of course not. Did I purchase just because I thought it was? Of course not. Here's to hoping though (and thankfully it's not President's Day weekend LOL)!

 

[NicoleBold]

I need Friday night of Presidents’ Day weekend!! Which also happens to be Valentine’s Day. :|
Welcome to the hunger games.

 

[DanCali]

I completely understand this. But my thinking is that the odds of getting what I want increase dramatically since, rather than completing against new purchasers and the 4MM+ points held by current owners, I'm just competing against new purchasers.

I need Friday night of Presidents’ Day weekend!! Which also happens to be Valentine’s Day. :|
Welcome to the hunger games.

May The Odds Be Ever In Your Favor!!

 

[Sandisw]

I completely understand this. But my thinking is that the odds of getting what I want increase dramatically since, rather than completing against new purchasers and the 4MM+ points held by current owners, I'm just competing against new purchasers. And the undeclared inventory is much larger than the small portion that has been declared. So my odds of getting what I want improve quite a bit. But is it guaranteed? Of course not. Did I purchase just because I thought it was? Of course not. Here's to hoping though (and thankfully it's not President's Day weekend LOL)!

Exaclty. And I think that is why it shouldn’t be seen as more than it is because, there were plenty of new buyers of BPK points who could not get access to rooms at their home resort when they bought.

Sounds like this is a benefit for the short term early buyers of PVB tower.

 

[CastAStone]

Ok… I’m looking at this video of the 2BD and the furniture looks a lot more custom than VDH… Could it use more color in the room…. sure…. but overall I still think this is a win. Can’t wait to see the lobby…

They give you all this great shelving around the TV but then they fill it with large trinkets. Why???