Pro-BUSH = anti- DISNEY????

[Leota]

Someone on this thread has some rage issues that might outa be dealt with.....he's scaring me......

 

[fklhou]

LOL This is really too funny. First, Moore costed Al Gore the White House and is proud of this fact. See
http://www.bushwatch.com/mooreacademy.htm

WE denied you the White House. WE tossed your a-s out of Washington. And WE will do it again. --Michael Moore, 2001 (SWM, p.255

One of the writers on BUshwatch had a good analysis of the effect of the Greenies and Nader.

Of course Michael Moore helped Bush win in Florida, Frank, he says it himself in his EPILOGUE (pp.248-254), because he said if only 538 of the 97,488 Floridians who voted for Nader voted Gore, Gore would have won, but he didn't ask the crowds in Florida to vote for Gore, he told them, "Do what you think best." He told those crowds who came to listen to him that "I couldn't pull the lever (or punch the hole) for Gore." Although he admits that the Greens had gotten "Gore to change his positions" and the Greens "have succeeded in a way we never thought possible," he told the crowds "Gore wanted to spend more money on the miliatry than Bush did,...wouldn't seek guaranteed health care for all our citizens immediately,...thought that Janet Reno was wrong to return Elian Gonzales to Cuba." There's little doubt that if Moore asked those Florida voters to vote for Gore, he would have gotten the votes needed to defeat Bush. But he didn't. Anyway, let's not dwell in the past. The question is, what's Moore going to do now? Unless he changes his tune in public, and I personally don't think he has the courage to do that*, he's going to help Bush win again, that's what. --Jerry, 03.25.03 *Read the entire EPILOGUE and I think you'll see what I mean.

Second, the publicity about Moore's new movie is what Disney and Moore want. This movie has a guaranteed audience and will be a financial success given the reaction on this board. Bowling's attendance went way up after the Oscars and the press generated by Mr. Moore's comments contriubted to this. LOL

Third, I do not hate Moore and the Greenies. They made a horrible mistake and the rest of the country is paying the price. Many Greenies have recognize the error of their ways and hopefully will not be the factor in the 2004 race that they were in 2000.

The fact that that Moore and the Greenies handed Bush the white house does not mean that Moore is wrong on his assessment of Bush. There is a great deal out there on the Bush-Bin Laden connection and Moore's new movie will be very interestnig to watch.

 

[barbeml]

I believe in free speech. The current White House crowd seems to believe only in free speech for those who agree with everything they say and do.

The climate of hate in this country makes me sadder every day.

 

[Olaf]

Funding any project by Michael Moore is just a dumb move on Disney's part. I'm a stock holder and it ticks me off royal. Makes about as much sense as Disney backing a project by Rush Limbaugh.

 

[ByTheSea]

Originally posted by barbeml
I believe in free speech. The current White House crowd seems to believe only in free speech for those who agree with everything they say and do.

The climate of hate in this country makes me sadder every day.

exactly.

 

[suzannen]

Ditto barbeml and ByTheSea.

 

[damo]

And we're feeling that climate all the way up here in Canada.

 

[Zurg]

Great!

Shorter lines!

 

[damo]

I hope they're not going to Universal

 

[eeyore0062]

Can't we just boycott both the movie and Bush and leave the rest of Disney out of it????



QUOTE]I believe in free speech. The current White House crowd seems to believe only in free speech for those who agree with everything they say and do. [/QUOTE]

The climate of hate in this country makes me sadder every day.

I totally agree!

 

[Deb in IA]

Originally posted by barbeml


The climate of hate in this country makes me sadder every day.

Me too, barbeml.

But I don't think the White House is totally responsible for all the hate. Let's face it; Michael Moore is NOT exactly Mr. Hugs and Kisses



And flkhou, we all KNOW that Mr. Moore ALWAYS tells the whole truth and the ENTIRE story, don't we, and that he would never slant, distort, or even fabricate "facts" to further his own agenda???????

 

[WillyJ]

Well John K. . . . let me say I admire anyone who believes strongly and sincerely in their political philosophies and values. . but that woman in the Dixie Chicks said,.. what? 12 words?

I think planning on carrying on a boycott for 2 years+ (not to mention the death threats she and the other two women in the group have received against their children) over that one sentence is an overreaction to say the least. . . and you might also stop and consider for a moment how you'd feel if it had been Bush who won the popular vote and Gore the electoral and the presidency- I seriously doubt any Bush supporter would have just accepted it and never brought it up again.

(By the way, what the heck is "Faygo" ?? As long time . . uh. . "researcher " on unhealthy, mind-altering substances, I'm embarrassed to say I've never heard of that one before. . )


As far as Michael Moore. . I've honestly never seen any of films- I've seen parts of "Roger and Me" but never could get into it. I have read a couple of his books, and like anyone who's a social commentator he can come up with some excellent insights, he can be entertaining, he can be boring, and he can go to outlandish and intellectually dishonest lengths to make a point. . not all good; not all bad. . just like all people who make a living that way. I just have never been able to connect with his sense of humor. .

It's no secret that the Bush's have been in business with the bin Laden family financing their construction business for years- and it has nothing to do with Osama as far as I know, so I really doubt Moore thinks he's going to be uncovering some major "revelation" that will push his movie. .

If the movie turns out to be offensive and makes outrageous and unsubstantiated claims, it won't be taken seriously and will backfire on Moore because those who might otherwise be willing to go pay to see it and judge it objectively, won't. . but I think boycotting the entire Disney Company over a film that hasn't even been made yet is not only a waste of time, it gives the film publicity it wouldn't otherwise have.

And really; President Bush is doing just fine. . it's not like any criticism has stopped him from going forward with what he's wanted to do. I can't recall (nor can I sincerely understand) such substantial number of people feeling the need to punish and shutdown anyone who dare disagrees with a politician. . I mean, Bush doesn't seem that fragile to me. . LOL!!

 

[Planogirl]

The climate of hate in this country makes me sadder every day

I also agree. Silence through intimidation is a rather perplexing occurence.

I don't understand this need to defend Bush so completely. I never saw such reaction when he was governor.

 

[JasonLyons]

does Disney want to bankrupt

 

[Rexfan]

WiilyJ , your whole post was excellent!

 

[tigercat]

I was really glad to see your post barbeml and bythesea. I have been very confused by the events of the States. I really believed that the States believed in free speech and no bullying but everything I read says that either you believe what I believe and say what I want you to say or you are in trouble and so many things are being said that aren't true. Truth and Justice isn't that part of the States as well? I am just trying to understand things.
tigercat

 

[anotherboardnposter]

I think planning on carrying on a boycott for 2 years+ (not to mention the death threats she and the other two women in the group have received against their children) over that one sentence is an overreaction to say the least. . . and you might also stop and consider for a moment how you'd feel if it had been Bush who won the popular vote and Gore the electoral and the presidency- I seriously doubt any Bush supporter would have just accepted it and never brought it up again-quoted from WillyJ

I believe freedom of speech and dissent is still alive in this country...If it weren't, all those who hated Bush would've been dragged out and shot for treason. That hasn't happened in a long time.

Also, had it been Bush who won the popular vote and Gore who got the other votes, I wouldn't have been happy, but I would've lived with it, knowing that that's how the people voted.

Also, even though I'm a boycotter, even I think the death threats against the Dixie Chicks are out of hand. Was what they said wrong? No, it was an opinion. Was WHERE THEY SAID IT wrong? Well, I feel the Chicks should've had the eggs to insult our President on American soil instead of overseas. Of course, that's just me.

Sincerely,

John "anotherboardnposter" Kilduff...

Freedom of speech still exists, and you're still free to hate whoever and whatever you want. Don't let the media manipulate you into thinking that this country is otherwise...

 

[olena]

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

This business about the "Greenies" causing Bush to gain the presidency is ridiculous.

Apparently many liberals thought Gore had abandoned many principles of the Democratic party so they did not vote for him. Liberals should not be forced to vote for someone because they have a better chance of winning! People who liked Nader better than Gore, voted for Nader, that's only natural...deal with it!

You could say the same thing about Bush, he would have won by a much wider margin without losing votes to Buchanan. I am not making this argument, because it is just plain dumb.

People should vote for the candidate that appeals to them the most. If Al Gore could not appeal enough to his liberal base, then it is his own fault for losing those votes to Nader.

Besides that, he lost his own franking state.

 

[Jeff in BigD]

Originally posted by olena
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Exactly. There's nothing in there that states that I have to agree with someone else's opinion or can't state my opinion that they're an idiot. It also doesn't read that I have to financially support someone that I disagree with.

While I think boycotting the whole of Disney is silly (though I will certainly not see the movie), equating someone thinking a company shouldn't carry an offensive movie, or even boycotting the movie company or all of Disney to censorship or trampling on someone's 1st amendment right is asinine & I would suggest that there's a misunderstanding of the Bill of Rights.