pre purchase clarification

[Lil' Grumpy]

some very interesting comments.

now my current message would be for dvc management - i am
disappionted when i just read about an owner- out of points,
founding a business renting dvc rooms-on ebay..after trading
in from rci. ok? why is dvc management allowing this business
to set up shop, using rci memberships?

but this goes for the owners too.....as a group we should be
asking why wasn't this stopped before ? "who" is inside management
that is supposed to been monitoring & why isn't dvc personnel
demanding "rci" to end this person association? how did this
person feels so confident---and so bold? this goes back to
dvc personnel. and this goes a long way to explain some of
our encounters/situations.


"change" is the secret for finding new success. especially when one is
willing to learn from past mistakes. as for the "possibilities" for
increasing direct buyers , all one has to do is make a list. if i had control
over this system, there are 2 major criteria i would separate
my list for limiting resales vs direct -liked the vip comments
and /or "adding" features to the direct purchases. "adding" would
have priority, because i would think the goal must be to "manage"
resales not limit or take it away. does dvc internal mangers ever
"study" the different trends between the 2 groups? hint, that's
where i think they could find the best changes-for
both groups.

why isn't dvc in the resales game with the idea to build/protect
their future? ultimately, dvc properties belong to disney. unlike
other time-sales, the contacts expired. so dvc have no plans on
what to do? one would think this was already in place? i would
think there are certain price levels (based on what the
resort original sold for), that dvc would begin to reclaim the
resort and /or time left. and i would think the "plans" to
re-design the resort to draw new owners. "it's like"- what could
they do to studio rooms @ blt, if they reclaim whole sections.
over & over, hearing they are too small for 4. they could
expand the rooms even if that meant less future owners.
at other resorts, & the recent success @ aoa- they could
take the other resorts in that direction. i think they would have
little problems "selling" that.

maybe they don't have a clue, & those working dvc is just
filling in for a pay check? when we decided to buy in , it never
occurred to me that this was a system with no directions-
then i started seeing problems. liked our original guide was
out extended illness & they didn't pick this up. this wasn't the
guide fault. to me, a system failure.

 

[JimMIA]

now my current message would be for dvc management - i am disappionted when i just read about an owner- out of points, founding a business renting dvc rooms-on ebay..after trading
in from rci. ok? why is dvc management allowing this business
to set up shop, using rci memberships?

If you have any direct knowledge of specific instances of someone renting RCI exchange reservations, you should notify DVC and/or RCI. Renting exchanges is prohibited by RCI and DVC.

For anyone reading this who might be considering renting an RCI exchange (at DVC or anywhere else), don't do it. If they find out about it, they will cancel your reservation.

 

[Dean]

If you have any direct knowledge of specific instances of someone renting RCI exchange reservations, you should notify DVC and/or RCI. Renting exchanges is prohibited by RCI and DVC.

For anyone reading this who might be considering renting an RCI exchange (at DVC or anywhere else), don't do it. If they find out about it, they will cancel your reservation.

I second this information. RCI's rules would prohibit ANY renumeration but they have openly allowed reimbursement of the maint fee and guest cert fee ONLY.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

they (dvc owner) posted on here. however, my main point was
about the dvc owner....who was out of points & was "looking"
to find a dvc owner..when they came across this seller. now
if someone is just trying to find a room & came across
this situation..where are the dvc professionals that should
already be protecting dvc rooms. maybe i can find it
& give it a lil' bump.

i don't know how many trade out, but i like to see these
numbers, that dvc is only trading rooms for rci based on
owners trading into dvc. ( i think - based on my dvc
encounters- that there quite a bit of dirt under this
organization "rug". )

i really liked our original guide, because he explained dvc
really well. he was also an owner & used all the options.
the "things" he explained had a lot of logic. it was when
the things didn't work , got us thinking about "how come?"

 

[Dean]

they (dvc owner) posted on here. however, my main point was
about the dvc owner....who was out of points & was "looking"
to find a dvc owner..when they came across this seller. now
if someone is just trying to find a room & came across
this situation..where are the dvc professionals that should
already be protecting dvc rooms. maybe i can find it
& give it a lil' bump.

i don't know how many trade out, but i like to see these
numbers, that dvc is only trading rooms for rci based on
owners trading into dvc. ( i think - based on my dvc
encounters- that there quite a bit of dirt under this
organization "rug". )

i really liked our original guide, because he explained dvc
really well. he was also an owner & used all the options.
the "things" he explained had a lot of logic. it was when
the things didn't work , got us thinking about "how come?"

Historically the number that trade to II or RCI has been around 3% and for the BVTC, it's negligible, generally under 100 exchanges. Unfortunately DVC has started using RCI's audit info rather than generating their own which prevents us from having local data. The last couple of years the numbers were increasing for RCI up to 3.3% IIRC and going by availability the other direction in RCI, I'd say it's likely in the 4% range and stabilized (just a guess). For cash type exchanges there is no way to know external to DVC.

Interesting to hear about your first guide, I though you position was always that they had lied to you though you never discussed the area of concern. Not necessarily doubting his position of being an owner but it's a common timeshare sales trick to portray oneself as an owner, often without being so.