I go back and forth on this. I'm very surprised they haven't done it already but as every month goes by, it's less likely they will do so. I do know they've explored the idea. About the only way they could create a differential enough to get people's attention would be to create more costs and more negatives for current members who were not in the VIP levels. Things like fees to bank, borrow, transfer, cancel, multiple reservations, etc or even costs for housekeeping in some situations. The other would be to remove things like transfers or to create wait list priorities related to VIP status. We could argue the various points of whether they could do X,Y or Z but there are plenty of things they could do that would get people's attention. I do not believe they can create a differential for club resorts or home resorts related to reservation timing for the current DVC. Then once any VIP system were in place, you limit the qualification based on number of qualified points. While I have positioned myself to take advantage of more than one VIP system, I inherently dislike them because I do not believe they are fair to the members as a whole UNLESS the system were sold that way from day one.
I don't think they'd have to limit any VIP system to just new resorts, what I think they'd do would be to add negatives to all current members then remove them progressively as you moved up the ladder based on qualified points which might only be retail purchases no matter how long you've owner or it might cut off at last years cutoff date for resales though there could be other cutoff's as well. There are MANY possibilities and while at this time I don't think it's likely to happen, anyone that assumes it won't or can't is foolish.
I think that's the crux of the matter and IMO, it's exactly the reverse. Ultimately all that DVC offers retail buyers is the same thing they can get resale for less. There is nothing of true value different between the two at the current time. Once upon a time financing was a difference but that's far less true than it once was plus it's not a good choice anyway. Whether this will change in the future is unknown but it's unlikely that it will and almost a certainty that there will be no changes in core systems (home resorts and other club resorts). IMO it's not reasonable to pay such a big difference for the very minor protections that retail purchases provide.
That's because I don't believe they can change the booking windows directly in a way that differentiates between these 2 groups. The MIGHT be able to back into it with a VIP system but I'm doubting that as well. I must admit I've gone back and forth on this issue because I know that other resorts have made changes along these lines though I don't know their legal situation well enough to compare those areas.I notice that in your posts you haven't talked about any potential changes to the booking windows for VIP vs. not VIP. I'm interested to hear if they would differentiate this in your opinion.
To me, only two things really matter to me regarding DVC.
1) The right to book my home resort at an advantage to non owners of that resort.
2) A reservation system that de facto allows for the rental of reservations.
Anything else is gravy (and because I bought restricted resale, a lot of it is gravy that I'm not allowed to eat anyway).
Maybe I misunderstood your point about the monorail resorts.
Bill
Disney dislikes resales more than we think and their dislike has increased this last year. They consider it a slap in the face and food taken off of their table. Yes they will put on their happy sales face but they are working harder to hide their feelings. I expect additional actions to penalize resale buyers.
And quite a number buy direct even when they know they are overpaying. When the difference was 15-20%, that was one thing but not that the price is double, it's a different ballgame.
Or that it matters since you sign that oral representations are not binding. You'd have to prove in a legal way they lied to you in a material way that affected your decisions to prevail legally in such a matter. That means corroboration from a non family member disinterested third party or an admission on the part of the sales person or company or something like a written and signed document separate from the legal process.
I think this is a common misperception. They actually have no legal and IMO, no moral obligation to explain the system. Their job is to get you to buy without crossing over a legal line. They are going to play up the things they think people want to hear and then fine tune them to the individuals in question. I think DVC does a decent job of explaining the system but they are not going to highlight the negatives.
I suspect both are true but unless they are willing to take away from the masses or add other major options to certain groups, there really isn't a lot they can do. To be successful in these areas they'd have to come up with major add ons for retail buyers going forward or significant negatives to many or all that could be then removed in some way with a VIP system. As long as one really doesn't lose anything resale, as is currently the case, it's all just mental gymnastics on their part.Disney dislikes resales more than we think and their dislike has increased this last year. They consider it a slap in the face and food taken off of their table. Yes they will put on their happy sales face but they are working harder to hide their feelings. I expect additional actions to penalize resale buyers.
I think it varies from one guide to another. I've said many times that I think the guides actually believe the BS about cash type and RCI exchanges for the most part and that they are often overly optimistic with things like reallocations, exchanges, and difficult reservations including 7 month window attempts.
