Possible New Park?

[Reddog1134]

At this point Marvel shouldn't even be a concern... Universal has 95% of the characters locked down. Marvel itself is killing off most of their characters in the next couple of years so it's highly un likely that Disney will see any of that.

Universal has 95% of the popular characters locked down. Which is why you are seeing movies like Big Hero Six and Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[HizMinnie2015]

They have all the popular characers locked down... if a character is even remotely tied to a series (let's say avengers for example) all characters, villians, villian of villian etc is off limits. The reason we are seeing Big Hero 6 is because he isn't tied to anything already at universal... Guardians were shown as avengers long before the movies so we'll have to see how that plays out.

 

[chartle]

Haven't read the entire thread but chances there will be another Disney park in 10 years I say 60% chance, its in CA of Fl 0% chance, its in the US at all. 5%

The return on investment is much higher in other counties. Throw in the fact that those countries will most likely foot almost 100% of the construction cost its a Win Win.

 

[Reddog1134]

They have all the popular characers locked down... if a character is even remotely tied to a series (let's say avengers for example) all characters, villians, villian of villian etc is off limits. The reason we are seeing Big Hero 6 is because he isn't tied to anything already at universal... Guardians were shown as avengers long before the movies so we'll have to see how that plays out.

That's not true. There has to be a "master list" of character families.

Iron Man joined the Guardians in the comics, Iron Man is off limits but the Guardians are not. (They've already appeared at WDW).

Sunfire and Silver Samurai were original members of Big Hero 6. Those characters are off limits because they are part of the X-Men family but the non X-Men members of the team (the movie characters) are usable.

 

[DanBoris]

They have all the popular characers locked down... if a character is even remotely tied to a series (let's say avengers for example) all characters, villians, villian of villian etc is off limits. The reason we are seeing Big Hero 6 is because he isn't tied to anything already at universal... Guardians were shown as avengers long before the movies so we'll have to see how that plays out.

I think Guardians is a grey area. I am no expert on the comics but it is my understanding that the characters from the movie are based on the "modern" Guardians which didn't get a connection with the Avengers until after the contact was made with Universal.

 

[chartle]

I think Guardians is a grey area. I am no expert on the comics but it is my understanding that the characters from the movie are based on the "modern" Guardians which didn't get a connection with the Avengers until after the contact was made with Universal.

So in order to figure this out you need to be lawyer and a Comic book nerd/geek/etc.

 

[DDLand]

Haven't read the entire thread but chances there will be another Disney park in 10 years I say 60% chance, its in CA of Fl 0% chance, its in the US at all. 5%

The return on investment is much higher in other counties. Throw in the fact that those countries will most likely foot almost 100% of the construction cost its a Win Win.

Good call. rteetz just shared some info on the News Thread. Looks like HKD could be seeing theme park 2...

http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2015/02/hong-kong-disneyland-phase-2-should.html

Hey, as long as they aren't paying...

 

[seascapemvy]

That's not true. There has to be a "master list" of character families.

Iron Man joined the Guardians in the comics, Iron Man is off limits but the Guardians are not. (They've already appeared at WDW).

Sunfire and Silver Samurai were original members of Big Hero 6. Those characters are off limits because they are part of the X-Men family but the non X-Men members of the team (the movie characters) are usable.

There is no reason to debate this issue. Universal has the rights to the characters they are currently using in Orlando and no other characters. Plus they cant use the Marvel name or Characters in any of their other parks with the exception of Japan until that contract runs out in 10 to 15 years. The question then is will Universal keep the rights or not. They will no longer be able to advertise their marval rides and attractions outside of the US and since Disney will be advertising them for their parks everywhere in the world except Orlando why would Universal want to keep them. It is clear that it will no longer be in Universal's interest to keep the rights for just Orlando. They have HP going in all their parks. If they get other IP for use in all their parks around the world, they most likely will just give up the Marvel rights in Orlando and put in their own IP rather than keep paying Disney. Disney will never pay for the rights because they don't need them. Disney has so much IP to use and even Marvel characters like GoG and Big Hero 6 and Antman and lots of others. They cant use the name Marvel in Orlando parks but so what, they can use the charcters names.

 

[beer dave]

Haven't read the entire thread but chances there will be another Disney park in 10 years I say 60% chance, its in CA of Fl 0% chance, its in the US at all. 5%

Wait-- you think that it is more likely that a new park built in the us would be in a state other than FL or CA?
I'd give that a zero percent before I'd give it to FL and CA....... unless you are using that to make a point of how much you don't think a new park will be built.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

60% chance at Disneyland
0% chance at Florida
5% somewhere else in the US (nowhere fits...yes even the recurrent, silly Texas talk)
35%
Chance somewhere else...likely china, Korea, or perhaps brazil...maybe Dubai (don't laugh)

That's how I took it

 

[DanBoris]

There is no reason to debate this issue. Universal has the rights to the characters they are currently using in Orlando and no other characters .

Incorrect, from the actual contract:

"East of The Mississippi - any other theme park is limited to using characters not currently being used by MCA at the time such other license is granted. [For purpose of this subsection and subsection iv, a character is “being used by MCA” if (x) it or another character of the same “family” (e.g., any member of THE FANTASTIC FOUR, THE AVENGERS or villains associated with a hero being used)"

Due to the inter-connectedness of comic book stories the "family" part can get a little tricky.

 

[DDLand]

The question of will there be a new park announced overseas in the next 10 years is silly. It's really how many?

I say we see two parks, HKD is looking like a good candidate even if today's leak isn't true. If I had to choose a second... I like Mumbai. It fits with their traditional idea of getting into markets early, and introducing their brand to millions before competitors move in. Then depending on how this whole SDL goes, they could move in for a second one there.

I'm dubious about Dubai. Last time through, Dubailand got totally ruined by the economy. Working in a developed market like that with high competition and the likelihood of not getting favorable government deals is not Disney's MO. I expect them to continue to exploit markets like Shanghai; where they can shape theme park expectations in their own image.

Brazil and Korea (there are cultural hostilities, but I'm not sure if they could single handedly support one) are both covered by existing Disney properties. They don't want to steal visitors from other Disneylands (and WDW).


Disneyland, I think they'd rather build hotels and optimize existing properties. We'll see.

 

[chartle]

Wait-- you think that it is more likely that a new park built in the us would be in a state other than FL or CA?
I'd give that a zero percent before I'd give it to FL and CA....... unless you are using that to make a point of how much you don't think a new park will be built.

The latter. Its for all the wishful thinkers that think that just HAVE TO build a new park in Florida or the US for all the demand that they see during super peak times. Though I do acknowledge that traditional slower times appear to be less and less.

 

[rteetz]

The question of will there be a new park announced overseas in the next 10 years is silly. It's really how many?

I say we see two parks, HKD is looking like a good candidate even if today's leak isn't true. If I had to choose a second... I like Mumbai. It fits with their traditional idea of getting into markets early, and introducing their brand to millions before competitors move in. Then depending on how this whole SDL goes, they could move in for a second one there.

I'm dubious about Dubai. Last time through, Dubailand got totally ruined by the economy. Working in a developed market like that with high competition and the likelihood of not getting favorable government deals is not Disney's MO. I expect them to continue to exploit markets like Shanghai; where they can shape theme park expectations in their own image.

Brazil and Korea (there are cultural hostilities, but I'm not sure if they could single handedly support one) are both covered by existing Disney properties. They don't want to steal visitors from other Disneylands (and WDW).


Disneyland, I think they'd rather build hotels and optimize existing properties. We'll see.

HK will most likely be the next spot.
Shanghai after. They want to make Shanghai another large resort like WDW, Tokyo, Paris.

I don't see Mumbai I've never even really heard it rumored as of late.

Brazil wouldn't be able to sustain one economically.

If Disneyland was going to build hotels they would've done it by now.

 

[DDLand]

HK will most likely be the next spot.
Shanghai after. They want to make Shanghai another large resort like WDW, Tokyo, Paris.

I don't see Mumbai I've never even really heard it rumored as of late.

Brazil wouldn't be able to sustain one economically.

If Disneyland was going to build hotels they would've done it by now.

Indeed. There's at least one more expansion pad at the very least for a new park. As the theme park guy so clearly points out, they can always bulldoze anyone in their way for a third too. Though I put in the disclaimer about waiting and seeing how the first park does. Remember HKD? Everyone said park two was on its way before it even opened. Then it bombed... I'm going to wait and see how SDL does before predicting a new park.

It was either Shangai or Mumbai back when they were choosing a site. India is the most obvious place to build a park and resort moving forward.

Brazil's economy has been softer as of late, and it's true the country could see some years of hardship. To simply rule it out on those grounds seems overly aggressive though. Brazil is a major tourist hub, with many different nationalities traveling there each year. It has great weather and locations. The middle class there is considerble. I think that it's not an option only because many Brazilians are already going to Walt Disney World and Disney can get a better bang for their buck elsewhere.

Yeah you're right. Just like if Disney wanted to fix DHS they would have already done that...

The recession screwed up their time tables, the hotel expansion was forthcoming. I don't buy that they're just going to leave money on the table.

 

[Reddog1134]

Due to the inter-connectedness of comic book stories the "family" part can get a little tricky.

Which is why I said there has to be a definitive list of character families. If there wasn't, you would only have to acquire the rights for 1 character and then draw connections to every other character in the Marvel Universe.

 

[Phicinfan]

here is a picture view from another site. I think this shows Disney owns most rights.....

 

[chartle]

here is a picture view from another site. I think this shows Disney owns most rights.....

Unless I'm missing something about your point, these are movie rights not theme park rights and thats what I believe is being discussed.

Oh and a side note, my son said something about Sony allowing Spiderman to be in the new Avengers movie.

 

[Reddog1134]

here is a picture view from another site. I think this shows Disney owns most rights.....

Those are movie rights which are different than theme park rights.

Also, Spider-man should now be partially in the Disney circle.

 

[Phicinfan]

No you are correct, I got messed up. I do think though, that as you all state, eventually assuming the movie franchises grow under the Disney umbrella, you will see more Marvel in Disney itself. One can hope anyway.