Positive WDW remarks?

Wick

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I've noticed that the majority of the opinions/speculation towards WDW are either complaints or just general negativity.

Now, I'm not trying to be all kumbaya about this, but is there any one aspect of WDW as it stands today that, by itself, would get you out of car 3 or 4 and into car 1?
 
Actually I am getting more optimistic about a lot of the things happening lately. I think the Iger era may be much better than the late Eisner era because it seems like he is allowing the people that care about Disney to do what they do best (I.E. Lasseter)

The dark days are slowly coming to an end I think, and the signs of that are the rehab of HM, Space Mountain, Spaceship Earth, POSSIBLY Imagination, the removal of the horrid wand, the possibility of removing the tombstones (Since they stopped selling Leave a Legacy they might move the plaques somewhere).

The 25th Epcot Celebration looks like it may happen after all.

There's definitely still a lot to be improved but the worst is over IMO

Edit: I cant forget the 1.2 BILLION for getting DCA to better standards as well
 
Actually I am getting more optimistic about a lot of the things happening lately. I think the Iger era may be much better than the late Eisner era because it seems like he is allowing the people that care about Disney to do what they do best (I.E. Lasseter)

The dark days are slowly coming to an end I think, and the signs of that are the rehab of HM, Space Mountain, Spaceship Earth, POSSIBLY Imagination, the removal of the horrid wand, the possibility of removing the tombstones (Since they stopped selling Leave a Legacy they might move the plaques somewhere).

The 25th Epcot Celebration looks like it may happen after all.

There's definitely still a lot to be improved but the worst is over IMO

Edit: I cant forget the 1.2 BILLION for getting DCA to better standards as well
All valid points, but many diehards on this board just can't bring themselves to say anything good... let alone start a positive thread. :sad2:

MG
 
I've noticed that the majority of the opinions/speculation towards WDW are either complaints or just general negativity.

Now, I'm not trying to be all kumbaya about this, but is there any one aspect of WDW as it stands today that, by itself, would get you out of car 3 or 4 and into car 1?

You should shop around this site a little more...there are thousands upon thosands of threads and posters who do nothing but gush over the latest Disney blockbuster move like Underdog, extending the Year of a Million Fastpasses or defending yet another cut in service from Disney.
 

Lassiter is taking over.

'Nuff said.

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I have felt the same way about this particular board.

Positvie news: WDW is still worlds apart from almost any other destination and is still our family's favorite annual vacation.
Customer service, variety and shear WOW factor.
Sometimes I think the whinners are just spoiled.
 
One of the things to remember about posters on this board is that they are all (even those with the most negative things to say) Disney Fans. Many of us have been around long enough to see some disturbing trends in Disney's management of it's assets. It's because we care so much about the end product (the parks, the cruise line, the movies) that we ask - why aren't they doing a better job?
 
but many diehards on this board just can't bring themselves...Sometimes I think the whinners are just spoiled.

What I've always found interesting is how the "positive" people always resort to name calling and insults.
 
You should shop around this site a little more...there are thousands upon thosands of threads and posters who do nothing but gush over the latest Disney blockbuster move like Underdog, extending the Year of a Million Fastpasses or defending yet another cut in service from Disney.

Duly noted, but I was referring to mainly the rumors and news board.
IMO the people who post on this board are some of the most intelligent, well-informed and in-the-know Disney fans.

What I've always found interesting is how the "positive" people always resort to name calling and insults.

I dont really consider "spoil" an insult, but to each his own.

All in all, my question still remains unanswered by the majority of people in this thread. I'm still curious as to what current WDW trends keep the car 4 people coming back for more. I mean, theres GOT to be SOMETHING positive about all thats going on to keep the car 4's hooked. I just want to know what that camp finds the most appealing.
 
Okay – the direct answer.

The positive sign I’m waiting for – and haven’t even seen hinted at yet – is for Disney to treat WDW like a business again.

That means decisions are made on what’s best for WDW’s continued growth, what’s best for WDW’s customer base, and what’s best for WDW’s employees. In other words, to do what’s right to make WDW a stable and profitable operation.

That isn’t happening now. On the creative side, WDW is treated as just another distribution channel through which “corporate franchises” can be pushed. The parks aren’t viewed as businesses or shows in their own right, but only in how they can serve to “extend the brand” created elsewhere.

The Mexico pavilion is not made better by putting in a cartoon duck. Normal adults do not need the have dinner with princesses five times in a week. People live full and diverse lives – and I think that’s what they want to experience on vacation as well. ‘The Haunted Mansion’ is a popular ride despite not having a plush tie-in; ‘Stitch’s Great Escape’ is unbearable even with it shop.

It’s time for Disney to rediscover that theme parks are a creative outlet, that it’s possible to make new, fresh, interesting, exciting, awe-inspiring, and world renowned attractions without waiting for a movie first. Disney needs to let its imagination try for something again – try for something that get people talking like ‘Pirates’ did in ’67. People want new and original, not a commercial.

Second, on the business side, the financial demands that Corporate has placed on the park are forcing decisions to be made that are harmful to the long term growth and success of the company. WDW has become Disney’s ATM machine, the fountain that spews out cash to fund corporate mistakes like ABC, GO.com and now this iPenguin insanity.

Everyone has seen the prices soar while the quality plummet at WDW. “Fine Dining” is nothing but a brand now – even the owners of this site are calling some the restaurant’s offering “swill” and “garbage”. The quality of the merchandise is beyond “discount” and the variety…really folks – how many stores now have exactly the same t-shirts. And it’s not just the purists who think there’s something unDisney by selling princess dresses in Fronteirland.

Disney needs to set WDW’s operations back to normal. Let the resort operate at a realistic margin, let the park invest in the correct level of capital to keep the place appealing to guests, and to provide enough “new” so that a repeat visit is worthwhile.


There is nothing written in stone saying that WDW will always be successful and will always be popular. If there’s one thing that Disney should have learned from that festering money pit in Disneyland’s parking lot is that people will reject Disney’s offering and won’t even give it a second chance.


So that’s what I’m waiting for. I’m waiting for WDW to become Disney again, not the local Orlando outlet for WalMouse.


P.S. As for what's keeping me interested now (besides blind hope) - try as hard as they can, Eisner and Iger haven't been able to destroy all that was built before them. They're trying real hard, but there is still some quality left from Disney if you know where to look for it.
 
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but many diehards on this board just can't bring themselves...Sometimes I think the whinners are just spoiled.
What I've always found interesting is how the "positive" people always resort to name calling and insults.

That is unfair. Nobody called anybody a name or insult.
You spliced together two different people's posts into one quote.
 
As for what's keeping me interested now (besides blind hope) - try as hard as they can, Eisner and Iger haven't been able to destroy all that was built before them. They're trying real hard, but there is still some quality left from Disney if you know where to look for it.

I'm in agreement with your entire post. However, I'm still curious as to what it is specifically that keeps most of the car3's and 4's coming back for more. Besides the general faith and hope that you have invested in the idea that Disney will one day take steps in the right direction (an idea that I think most Disney fans, from car 1 thru 4, would agree with anyways), is there anything in particular that keeps you hooked? A current WDW attraction perhaps? Maybe a show that still hasn't lost the quality performance? Or maybe its just the feeling you get walking down Main Street, I don't know.
 
What specifically keeps me going back is the older "masterpieces" - they are so well done that I continue to learn about storytelling from them. I've have litterally been on Disneyland's 'Pirates' and 'Mansion' hundreds of times and I am still finding new insights into design, narrative and showmanship. In a lot of ways, a really, really good attraction can be studied in the same way a painting or a novel can be studied.

Of course, the flip side is true as well. Trying to figure out why a show like 'Mission: Space' fails can lead to just as much understanding as figuring out why 'Soaring' works. The sad thing is there's far too much "why didn't" instead of "why did" going on these days.

But I guess the biggest reason why a lot of the 3's and 4's keep around is that we've moved onto appreciating Disney more than we enjoy it. While we still like the shows and rides, we're much more intellectually interested in the "back stage" elements of the parks - the history, the motivations, the theories about whats goes on. Perhaps it happens when someone takes any hobby to the extreme, but really - what's the difference between knowing what year Disneyland's Submarine Voyage opened and the last time the Yankees had a left handed third baseman that batted .340?
 
I'm positive.....that Disney just raised WDW ticket prices...again.
 
Wick--this is from a "Disney" child, brought up watching the original movies (after Peter Pan) as they were shown. Watching the very first ever Disney TV show and almost all the others after. Watching the original Mousketeers, Davy Crockett, etc etc. And going to WDW almost 40 times since 1975.

For me, there is STILL enough of old Disney left to make it attractive. Still a few of the old "dark" rides I like. Main Street still charms. I still like most of the restaurants--and the fact that I can see the Disney Hotels when we eat. It's still a bit cleaner than most theme parks we've visited. Most of the CM's are still nice and most still attempt to enjoy their work.
But it's changing and for the most part, not for the better. There may come a time when we just say--heck with it. Let's go to Hawaii, or Vegas, or anywhere.
But not just yet--.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with this assesment, Uncle. It isn't that modern Disney has ruined all that preceded it but the current philosophies on quality, originality and show do not seem on the same page with what most of us grew up with.
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One word sums it up:

HOPE (likely misplaced)

Ok, that was 3 words and a set of parentheses. Emphasis on the hope though...

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Sorry, did it again, posted in the wrong place.......
 


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