Portrait photography

Were you using your flash?

When I use aperture priority with my D50 or D300 and use the flash it automatically gives me 1/60th shutter speed. Even when I change the f/stop it still stays at 1/60th.

If your not using the flash, then you'll have to use brighter/more lights to get your shutter speed up.
 
Yeah, I was trying without the flash like Mickey88 told me. It's just not going to happen. He's right though the couple of shots I took with the flash(w/diffuser), I lost the mini lights. Tomorrow I'm going to try to set up the extra lights and see what I get. That's if I can, without going off the deep end!
You retained your mini lights w/flash and extra lights?
 
The only one's I have like that are with our x-mas tree in the background. The lights aren't washed out, but they're not real bright either. Then again I wasn't concerned with those lights. Just having the tree in the background was good enough for me.

This is one from 2 years ago with only the SB-600 and diffuser, no other extra lights other than regular room lighting:

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There was probably 2 feet or so between the kids back and the tree. So there was definitely enough light to get everything I wanted. The tree is absorbing all the shadows since it is not a flat object. f/4, 1/60th, ISO400, aperture priority. I'm still surprised how all 3 kids are in sharp focus even at f/4. Guess I got lucky with this one with all of them getting their heads pretty much in line.
 
Awwww!

Going to keep trying, I've got a couple of weeks before I need to get cards out. How do you get the little ones to cooperate? My oldest, she's always been awesome aside from cheesy grins but these two....:scared:

edited to add: Hubby built me a box to raise them up a bit and I planned on bringing them forward a couple feet so they're not right up against the fire place.
 

Yeah, I was trying without the flash like Mickey88 told me. It's just not going to happen. He's right though the couple of shots I took with the flash(w/diffuser), I lost the mini lights. Tomorrow I'm going to try to set up the extra lights and see what I get. That's if I can, without going off the deep end!
You retained your mini lights w/flash and extra lights?

I apologize..I told you not to use flash and then gave you settings for flash:confused3 :confused3

would your kids sit still better if they were on a piece of furniture
 
I apologize..I told you not to use flash and then gave you settings for flash:confused3 :confused3

would your kids sit still better if they were on a piece of furniture
It's okay, lol. I think they might. DH made me a little riser and I think with oldest DD there it might be easier.
If anything this has and will be a huge learning experience. If nothing else I get to know my camera a little better.
 
The kids are too small in the frame, diminishing their importance. Also, if this is a photo for a Christmas card, you should get rid of the pumpkins and fall decorations on the mantle. It's the details and the attention you pay to the background and composition that makes the difference between a snapshot and a professional-looking image. The kids are too close to the background. Move them forward and get in closer to them so the background won't be too sharp and won't get shadows from flash (and in the case of the glass in the background, it will reduce distracting glare). A fireplace with no fire can look boring. Consider dressing the kids appropriately for winter (e.g. sweaters). If you're going for the "Chrismas morning or Christmas Eve in pajamas" look, then maybe have wrapped gifts or the Christmas tree in the frame (but you should still groom them so they look good). When photographing children, it's helps to have two people: 1) the photographer, and 2) the child wrangler. If you absolutely can't get someone else to help, then you need to move in closer; the farther away you are from the children, the more difficult it is to control them (this is only true for posed photographs; if you're looking for candid photojournalistic photography, then it helps to use a long lens and keep your distance, letting the kids be themselves). I find that confining the kids to an area helps keep them in place. Some times this is as simple as putting them on a pedestal, footstool, chair, or a makeshift stage (if your fireplace hearth were elevated it might have helped). Kids lose interest quickly, so try to have everything set up before you put them in place. Use dolls or something to test your camera settings and lighting before you start photographing the kids. If the kids get bored or anxious, take a break. Try photographing the kids at a time of day when they're happiest.

As for what settings to use, it really depends on the light, so I can't give you a definite aperture and shutter speed combination, but I can make suggestions. Ordinarily I recommend fast shutter speeds when photographing kids, because they can move around so quickly. However, in this case, you want to use a moderately slow shutter speed so the warm, ambient light, string lights, and fireplace can develop. Slow shutter speeds require a steady camera, so consider a tripod. As long as you drag the shutter, it's okay to use flash so that the kids are nicely exposed. Light drops off quickly, so if you dial down the flash and get close to the kids (and get the kids farther from the background), the flash will help expose the kids, but won't expose the background too much, so the slow shutter speed can let the string lights will develop. Use second curtain flash, because people often think the picture is over as soon as the flash goes off. With on-camera flash I normally recommend bouncing it slightly above and behind you or to the side to get directional soft light. However, your SB-400 flash only tilts up and down, not sideways. Even with cathedral ceilings you should be able to bounce flash if the ceiling is light-colored. When photographing indoors, light bounces not only off of the ceiling, but it also bounces around the walls. I recommend taping a sheet of paper to your flash head, so it softens the light going forward. and creates catch lights in the kids' eyes. Make a fan pattern, so it's widesg at the top and tapers down where it attaches to the flash head.

As for the aperture, if you can keep the kids' heads on the same focal plane (the same distance from the camera), then you can get away with using a wider aperture. An aperture of f/5.6 should allow enough wiggle room so that if the kids move slightly their eyes will still be in reasonable focus (always focus on their eyes). An aperture of f/8 will give you more wiggle room, but you really need to make sure that they're not too close to the background, so the focus is on them rather than the background. It's okay for the background to go dark, as long as the kids are nicely exposed and the string lights in the background is exposed.

When combining flash with ambient light, you control the ambient exposure with the shutter speed and you control the flash exposure with the aperture and flash compensation. Shoot in manual mode.
If you need to increase ISO, try not to go above 800. If you can get the kids to stay in place, use a tripod. Using a remote shutter release can help you interact with the kids when taking the picture.
 
All in my plan, lol. I was just trying to see what I would get with the setting suggested. DH has built a box to lift them up (I'll cover it w/an appropriate throw) and I plan on bringing them out a couple of feet. Also there will be Christmas stockings hanging down so that will take up some of the space. Absolutely plan on dressed up clean kids, lol and using a tripod and remote. I'm thinking burst mode too if I can.
When you say 'drag the shutter' do mean slowing it down?
The kids are too small in the frame, diminishing their importance. Also, if this is a photo for a Christmas card, you should get rid of the pumpkins and fall decorations on the mantle. It's the details and the attention you pay to the background and composition that makes the difference between a snapshot and a professional-looking image. The kids are too close to the background. Move them forward and get in closer to them so the background won't be too sharp and won't get shadows from flash (and in the case of the glass in the background, it will reduce distracting glare). A fireplace with no fire can look boring. Consider dressing the kids appropriately for winter (e.g. sweaters). If you're going for the "Chrismas morning or Christmas Eve in pajamas" look, then maybe have wrapped gifts or the Christmas tree in the frame (but you should still groom them so they look good). When photographing children, it's helps to have two people: 1) the photographer, and 2) the child wrangler. If you absolutely can't get someone else to help, then you need to move in closer; the farther away you are from the children, the more difficult it is to control them (this is only true for posed photographs; if you're looking for candid photojournalistic photography, then it helps to use a long lens and keep your distance, letting the kids be themselves). I find that confining the kids to an area helps keep them in place. Some times this is as simple as putting them on a pedestal, footstool, chair, or a makeshift stage (if your fireplace hearth were elevated it might have helped). Kids lose interest quickly, so try to have everything set up before you put them in place. Use dolls or something to test your camera settings and lighting before you start photographing the kids. If the kids get bored or anxious, take a break. Try photographing the kids at a time of day when they're happiest.
 
It's that time of year again. People want to take portrait shots for Christmas cards, end of year newsletters, etc. For me, that means setting up a background, a bunch of studio lights, adjusting the lights with a light meter, etc. That's probably a bit over the top for most people here.

So how do you get good Christmas Portraits without a studio setup? I've heard all sorts of stuff about north facing windows, sheets, lamps, etc. I've seen people using trees, fireplaces, and blank walls.

How would you set up a nice portrait shot using only stuff that a normal photographer would have around the house? Examples would be really helpful.
 
These are not the best pics, but I did try to do my own photos last year. I had to use my mom's camera, and try to get a decent shot to send out. This year I have a better camera and I have the new Photoshop elements program, so I hope to do better.

Lighting was a harsh, I don't think the flash was on. This was taken in my loving room, and the front door was open to the left.
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I just placed a white sheet on the floor and stood over them. Slightly out of focus. Looked okay in a 4x6 though.
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Just a goofy shot. She was tired of the photos.
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I was trying to get a shot in front of our tree, but I can never get them to do the right expression.
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Maybe this year I will get a shot I love. :-) Melissa
 
These are not the best pics, but I did try to do my own photos last year. I had to use my mom's camera, and try to get a decent shot to send out. This year I have a better camera and I have the new Photoshop elements program, so I hope to do better.

Lighting was a harsh, I don't think the flash was on. This was taken in my loving room, and the front door was open to the left.
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:-) Melissa


hmmm loving room..???/:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2
 
This was our Christmas picture in 2005. It was taken in our living room, in the evening, only the regular ambient light in the room which consists of two small lamps and 2 can lights in the ceiling. I took it with my PnS, on a tripod, set up about 4 feet away from us.

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The only PP is red-eye reduction. I'm sure I had it in Program mode. Exif shows shutter 1/60 aperture f/4.0 ISO 160, flash used. I thought the lighting turned out fine, just a bit over exposed on the boys faces.
 
window light is great and you can use a cheapie white foam core board to bounce light back onto the subject.

These are not christmas photos - but they are available light - using light from a south facing window and a reflector.

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the first set (right as you look at it) was taken without the reflector the second (left) was taken with the reflector.

This was an assignment with NYIP that I did in Sept... well not the collage - but the original photos
 
I love everything about your "just a goofy shot." It caught exactly what children are thinking around the holidays...is Christmas ever gonna get here? :)

Just a goofy shot. She was tired of the photos.
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Was... WTH was I thinking? :lmao:

No, seriously, here's what I learned. (I did them of a friend's 8 and 10yo children and dog for her XMas cards, at the beach @ sunset. Sorry, can't post.)

Next time...

I will either leave my own kids at home or have someone on hand to supervise them. These kids are all friends and they were hyping eachother out.

I will also sit and talk with the kids I'm shooting and explain exactly what we're doing. They're used to me taking "fun" pictures so they were a little goofy in some of them. (Alternatively, I could have just done candids, but my friend wanted a posed picture.)

I will get there a little earlier so as to let the kids and dog run off a little steam first.

I will study portraiture a little more on my own at length and not cram a quick lesson in 10 minutes before the shoot. :rolleyes:

And I will trust what I know rather than listening to something I read in the cram session. I know my prime lens would have done a better job but I went with the 14-42.
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Good news was that I didn't amputate anything. :thumbsup2

Better news was that my friend was thrilled with them even if I wasn't. :confused3

Bad news is that they weren't as sharp as I would have liked. I'm sure my settings were off, and yes, I forgot my tripod.
 
Great points. I also did a portrait session this past weekend. I did mine on a volunteer basis for my DD's montly Down syndrome playgroup. Its a wonderful group of families and the kids are awesome. The basis for which the group was founded is "engouraging and supporting familes of children with Down syndrome through playgroups and family activities". I thought that volunteering my time and hobby to help other familes with their holiday portraits fit the theme of the group perfectly.

For me, I have been dabbling in portraits for a while with my own kids. The experience for me was great and the families were beyond thrilled. I'm starting to like doing it a little more.
 
Very nice of you to do.

The more I think about it, the more I think shutter speed was also an issue for me.
 

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