POR Pull Down Bed For Adult? Time for another 3 adult reservation experiment.

But if you put 3 people on a room when you book it, SHOULDN'T they be accountable to give you a room that would have space for 3 to sleep? (this might be a completely different train of thought from the original thoughts, I don't know exactly what is trying to get booked or etc)

Yes, if you book a room for 3 people and they need to assign a different room category, they will make sure that room category still accommodates 3 people. OP is looking for a king bed room and even if OP books one, though it's rare, WDW is within its contractual rights to move them to a 2 queen room which would still accommodate 3 people.

I am quite capable of being wrong. It happens at lease once or twice a year even. But I distinctly remember a plaque on the bed saying something to the effect of "For Children 10 and under" or something like that. The wife and kids and I stayed in one the first year after the refurbishment was done and again a year or so later and it was a running gag that my 12 or maybe 13 year old wasn't "allowed" to use it.



Two adults per bed (king or any other size) as a hard booking restriction is no where near a global industry standard. It's not even a USA industry standard. I book and stay in a hotel between one and four times a month; maybe only 4 times a year do I need to book for 3 adults but this is the sort of thing I ask about.

Several chains force two beds for a three adult booking in their online reservation system, several don't (Hilton for example). Outside of WDW resorts, I've never been refused a reservation over the phone or at the front desk when booking 3 adults to a room with a single king bed. This includes several times when booking a king bed room at a hotel that also offers king bed rooms with pull-out beds. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. It's probably made more of an issue in resort areas where people are trying to squeeze as many people into a room as possible. But where present and enforced, the rule is absolutely arbitrary as it is not dependent on any external variable. WDW chooses to have and enforce this policy in the same way they could choose to have any other policy so long as it complies with fire codes and occupancy limits and such.

The policy serves WDW by pushing reservations like mine into a more expensive room category, but I'm dubious that the issue comes up often enough for them to have exactly zero wiggle room. The stringency with which they regard this rule is, in my experience, unique to Disney.

Why not try the POR king room? It sounds like it would suit your needs at, certainly not, the highest price point in WDW. Though not technically "on property", there are king rooms at the Swan/Dolphin that would suit your needs as well. You could also price out a 1-bedroom at any DVC resort (or even look into renting points to save money). Certainly no value is going to suit your needs as, yes, WDW is hard and fast about their occupancy rules and you probably hit the nail on the head on that one. They have to cap it somewhere or people will try to fit as many guests in a room as possible.
 
But if you put 3 people on a room when you book it, SHOULDN'T they be accountable to give you a room that would have space for 3 to sleep?
I think yes. My concern is that the king bed with child sized pull down shows to be "suitable for 3 adults" on the reservation page because the software they use categorizes it the same as it does a sleeper sofa. And once actually booked and the date approaches, the algorithm that selects rooms for each reservation might take a different view of the mini-murphy bed and we would end up with a room with two queens instead of a single king bed. Or possibly other troublesome complications. I don't know that this is likely to happen but I'm suspicious that adding a child-sized bed to a room "suitable for 2 adults" is all it takes to make it "suitable for 3 adults".

I may have missed something, but is there a reason you couldn’t get a room with 2 beds and just put rails on one for her?
A few.
  1. Counter intuitively three people on a king feels roomier than two people on a queen. I don't exactly know why this is. If evenly distributed, three on a king bed get about 26 inches each while two on a queen would have 30 inches each. I suspect it has to do with how people don't naturally distribute equally into rectangle shaped segments of the mattress, and how close to the edge I end up sleeping on a queen. Even when it is just two of us traveling, a queen bed feels more crowded. So going with two queen beds would put two people on a bed where they feel crowded and one person in the middle of a bed much larger than they need.
  2. Having a single king vs two queens means more open floorspace in the room. It amounts to an extra dozen sq. ft. which might not sound like much but makes a difference when considering we have a power chair to move about and stow within the room.
  3. Bed rails are simply one more unnecessary thing to pack and waste time installing and then striking at the end of the trip. and...
  4. Because I don't think anyone likes to sleep in a hospital bed if they don't have to. This woman has spent literal years of her life in institutional beds.
Other than trying to stir the pot, no.
That's an interesting take, but alright. I really don't expect there to be any strong feeling on the subject. There's no question in my post being argued one way or the other. I posted primarily to point out a curiosity in the reservation system, an apparent contradiction wherein adding a professed "child size" bed is all it take to make a room suitable for an additional adult.

If you felt stirred, it was not my intention to do so.
 
I have never seen that and I have slept on them a couple of times.
You might be right. A sort of 'Mandela Effect' moment for me as I do remember it but can not find any photos online to support my memory. Perhaps the language was featured in the check in literature given to us or I'm simply thinking of the "child sized" description when booking. It was 5+ years ago...
 
The think the only placque was saw on the beds when we stayed at POR was a weight limit. Can't remember what it was, but it didn't say anything about ages. And fyi for anyone reading the thread, Disney has bed rails they are happy to bring to your room for free. No need to pack them.
 

Just pulled it up on Disney's site, and they call it a "Child-sized pull down bed."

I'm sorry to who I offend, but it seems glaringly obvious that the pull downs are meant for a child to sleep on, and not an adult. Just looking at them indicates that.
 
Several chains force two beds for a three adult booking in their online reservation system, several don't (Hilton for example).
Then don't stay where the company policy prohibits it. Hilton Disney Springs list of amenities for the king room begins, "Relax in a modern guest room with granite vanity, mini-refrigerator, a work station, and WiFi access, perfect for couples and individual travelers looking for a convenient location steps from the Disney Springs area." (bolding mine). Nothing about triads. Teach Disney (or Marriott) a lesson. Don't stay in their properties. Or stay in their properties following their policies.
But I distinctly remember a plaque on the bed saying something to the effect of "For Children 10 and under"
I know they do daily room security checks, but I haven't seen or heard anything about her checks :confused3
 
Just pulled it up on Disney's site, and they call it a "Child-sized pull down bed."

I'm sorry to who I offend, but it seems glaringly obvious that the pull downs are meant for a child to sleep on, and not an adult. Just looking at them indicates that.
I dunno. My sofa seat is about 18 inches deep and 62 inches long. I'm 4' 11". Granted, I don't move around much in my sleep, but I'm fine sleeping on it a few nights a week. But I'm not offended :D
 
Just so that everyone is aware, Disney has notified us that they are soon going to be changing their policy on the 5th Sleeper rooms with the "Child-sized bunks". Moving forward, they are not going to allow people to book that category of room unless they have a child 9 or under on the reservation as they are not intending that it be for an adult.

For the OP, I would just do 2 queens and add bedrails. This is going to be your least expensive option.
 
A few.
  1. Counter intuitively three people on a king feels roomier than two people on a queen. I don't exactly know why this is. If evenly distributed, three on a king bed get about 26 inches each while two on a queen would have 30 inches each. I suspect it has to do with how people don't naturally distribute equally into rectangle shaped segments of the mattress, and how close to the edge I end up sleeping on a queen. Even when it is just two of us traveling, a queen bed feels more crowded. So going with two queen beds would put two people on a bed where they feel crowded and one person in the middle of a bed much larger than they need.
  2. Having a single king vs two queens means more open floorspace in the room. It amounts to an extra dozen sq. ft. which might not sound like much but makes a difference when considering we have a power chair to move about and stow within the room.
  3. Bed rails are simply one more unnecessary thing to pack and waste time installing and then striking at the end of the trip. and...
  4. Because I don't think anyone likes to sleep in a hospital bed if they don't have to. This woman has spent literal years of her life in institutional beds.

We can agree to disagree on point 1. Many people (like me and my husband) have a queen bed at home and manage to sleep on it every single night.
People move about these rooms and even the smaller value rooms with mobility devices all the time. While extra floor space is nice, it isn’t a make or break.
There isn’t a reason to pack bedrails when Disney provides them for free.
A Disney bed with bedrails hardly looks or feels like a hospital bed. We used bedrails for my then-2 year old when we went last year and I assure you many people with small kids have done the same without batting an eye.

Does she sleep between the 2 of you at home? If not, what is her sleeping situation at home, and is there a way you can replicate it in a hotel room? I really can’t imagine that 3 adults in a bed, even a king, could be comfortable, particularly if the person in the middle needs to get up to use the restroom in the middle of the night.
 
There's a quite common practice of placing pillows, several, under the sheets to create a dam to prevent kids falling out of beds. There's no reason this method wouldn't work for an adult. Simply needs to ask for as many pillows as you feel the need to suffice as blockages. Nothing like a hospital bed either

Bottom line, you are making things more difficult than need be. 1 king bed is not your only option. Being flexible with your choices would make things so much easier
 
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We can agree to disagree on point 1. Many people (like me and my husband) have a queen bed at home and manage to sleep on it every single night.
It is, of course, entirely subjective. I do the math every time we go shopping for a bed or mattress at home and can't quite figure out how or why a 60" wide matress feels so cramped but a 76" wide mattress feels so commodious.

While extra floor space is nice, it isn’t a make or break.
I go to WDW for nice.

There isn’t a reason to pack bedrails when Disney provides them for free. ... A Disney bed with bedrails hardly looks or feels like a hospital bed.
I've seen them, and you're right; they don't make it look like a hospital bed. They make it look like a crib.

Does she sleep between the 2 of you at home? If not, what is her sleeping situation at home, and is there a way you can replicate it in a hotel room?
She lives alone and does well at it. She has a specialized bed with a five or so inch recess in the middle that raises to the level of the perimeter when she gets in and out. She also has a powered assist arm to lift and steady her into her chair when she needs it and room decor that is rounded and fitted with fiddles and handholds. It's an environment that would not be easy to bring along with us in any form and really... it's largely unnecessary.

There's a quite common practice of placing pillows, several, under the sheets to create a dam to prevent kids falling out of beds. There's no reason this method wouldn't work for an adult. ... Nothing like a hospital bed either
There's reasons this method doesn't work for us but it's largely irrelevant. If the only room available has two queen beds, the option of installing hard bed rails works perfectly well for keeping her safe in bed. It's just unpalatable. A diet of rice, beans and broccoli every day will keep one alive and reasonably healthy, so why eat anything else?

Bottom line, you are making things more difficult than need be. 1 king bed is not your only option. Being flexible with your choices would make things so much easier
I absolutely agree, and have said so from the beginning. There are cheaper options if we wish to settle for a less comfortable arrangement, and rooms with a king bed + sofa bed can be booked in the deluxe resorts for twice or more the rate.

As in most things, being a flexible consumer makes things easier. In this case, my flexibility equates to getting a less comfortable and convenient room or paying much more. It certainly seems like my being more flexible is a good deal for Disney.

I'm sorry to who I offend, but it seems glaringly obvious that the pull downs are meant for a child to sleep on, and not an adult. Just looking at them indicates that.
Agreed. It's just a few inches wider and only a foot longer than a crib mattress. Really the whole reason for this train of thought, and maybe practical experiment, is this notion that adding a child bed to a room makes it suitable for an extra adult.

Moving forward, they are not going to allow people to book that category of room unless they have a child 9 or under on the reservation as they are not intending that it be for an adult. ... For the OP, I would just do 2 queens and add bedrails. This is going to be your least expensive option.
I figured this would be on the way... Yeah, two queens isn't an option. It would be nice to pay a little over $300 a night at POR vs the $700 room at Boardwalk we're taking instead. I know it's sorta 'boo hoo' for me or 1st world problems and all that.

Then don't stay where the company policy prohibits it. Hilton Disney Springs list of amenities for the king room begins, "Relax in a modern guest room ... perfect for couples and individual travelers looking for a convenient location steps from the Disney Springs area." (bolding mine).
To be sure, I never reserve a room for fewer people then actually staying in the room. No one is 'breaking any rules' to get me the room I prefer. Including Hilton Disney Springs, which had no problem booking us into a standard king room, can do so on the standard reservation webpage. But who really wants to stay outside the resort bubble? (Fine, that's a whole different debate.)

Don't stay in their properties. Or stay in their properties following their policies.
It would be easier to settle. It's much easier to simply book a "King bed + sofa bed" room at a deluxe resort. That's what we usually do and we always have a pleasant stay. I just find it a little galling though to be pushed into a resort category we don't really want because it's the only one that has room types that feature an amenity we don't need and do not use.

That's the gist of it I suppose. There is a policy that makes me choose a less comfortable or much more expensive room based on a preferred bed arrangement. It happens that this preference is an uncommon one so there is little need to accommodate it, I don't really expect sympathy from a corporation, and I doubt I'll find any here. But... The policy is arbitrary. It is a rule put in place simply because they can and because the people affected by it are few or because it is seen as (and in many other instances probably is) a kink they would wish to distance themselves from.

But their reasons are their own and if they can make it about the number of adults in one bed they can make it about the number of children in a bed or the type of coffee maker in the room or just about anything. A policy stating that children 11+ yrs old shouldn't share beds so families of 4+ are required to book the more expensive rooms with bunk-beds, or sofa beds, or book a suite is not any more arbitrary or intrusive into the choices a family planning a vacation make. Yet such a rule would affect many (most?) families and a shocked and offended outcry would be heard.
 
It is, of course, entirely subjective. I do the math every time we go shopping for a bed or mattress at home and can't quite figure out how or why a 60" wide matress feels so cramped but a 76" wide mattress feels so commodious.
Either your math or your statement is wrong. A 76" mattress feels so ( much more) commodious than a 60" mattress because it, well, is. That 28.67" per person feels like more space than 30" isn't subjective; it's psychological.
I go to WDW for nice.
Oh. Don't most people go to WDW for, well, Disney?
It certainly seems like my being more flexible is a good deal for Disney.
It certainly seems like my being more flexible is a good deal for Disney pretty much any business.
But who really wants to stay outside the resort bubble?
People who find Disney policies too restrictive for what they feel they want or should be allowed to do?
It would be easier to settle. It's much easier to simply book a "King bed + sofa bed" room at a deluxe resort.
Which Moderate Disney resorts provide this configuration?
The policy is arbitrary. It is a rule put in place simply because they can
It is a policy in place within many hotel properties as the best way to operate the business. Setting a maximum occupancy based on bedding prevents, or greatly reduces, the ability of guests to streeeeetttch the actual number of occupants.
A policy stating that children 11+ yrs old shouldn't share beds so families of 4+ are required to book the more expensive rooms
.
Disney policy allows/expects a maximum of two persons per bed. I have no idea where you are getting the idea that Disney doesn't allow children to share a bed designed to hold two people :confused3. And not 4+, as the majority of rooms have a maximum occupancy of four. Did you mean 5+?
 
There's reasons this method doesn't work for us but it's largely irrelevant. If the only room available has two queen beds, the option of installing hard bed rails works perfectly well for keeping her safe in bed. It's just unpalatable. A diet of rice, beans and broccoli every day will keep one alive and reasonably healthy, so why eat anything else?

I figured this would be on the way... Yeah, two queens isn't an option. It would be nice to pay a little over $300 a night at POR vs the $700 room at Boardwalk we're taking instead. I know it's sorta 'boo hoo' for me or 1st world problems and all that.
You are confusing things with what you won't do with what can't work.
You could come up with a solution that would work. Pillows, pushing a bed against a wall and rails
You WON'T compromise for whatever reason. That is very different than can't.
2 beds is an option, a viable one. If you wanted it to work bad enough you'd find a way.
You just won't accept it or come up with a way to make it work.
For what reason I am not sure.
Sounds like, to those looking at it from the outside, as you are being unreasonable.
 
I've seen them, and you're right; they don't make it look like a hospital bed. They make it look like a crib.

There's reasons this method doesn't work for us but it's largely irrelevant. If the only room available has two queen beds, the option of installing hard bed rails works perfectly well for keeping her safe in bed. It's just unpalatable.

It would be easier to settle. It's much easier to simply book a "King bed + sofa bed" room at a deluxe resort.

I don’t understand what makes bedrails so unpalatable, but OK. They definitely don’t resemble any crib I’ve ever seen. I’m not sure my kid would have slept in it if it looked like a crib - he definitely thought he was too old for a crib!

Also, king bed rooms are not a bookable category for deluxe resorts. They are by request. King beds are only bookable at the moderate level.
 
It is, of course, entirely subjective. I do the math every time we go shopping for a bed or mattress at home and can't quite figure out how or why a 60" wide matress feels so cramped but a 76" wide mattress feels so commodious.


I go to WDW for nice.


I've seen them, and you're right; they don't make it look like a hospital bed. They make it look like a crib.


She lives alone and does well at it. She has a specialized bed with a five or so inch recess in the middle that raises to the level of the perimeter when she gets in and out. She also has a powered assist arm to lift and steady her into her chair when she needs it and room decor that is rounded and fitted with fiddles and handholds. It's an environment that would not be easy to bring along with us in any form and really... it's largely unnecessary.


There's reasons this method doesn't work for us but it's largely irrelevant. If the only room available has two queen beds, the option of installing hard bed rails works perfectly well for keeping her safe in bed. It's just unpalatable. A diet of rice, beans and broccoli every day will keep one alive and reasonably healthy, so why eat anything else?


I absolutely agree, and have said so from the beginning. There are cheaper options if we wish to settle for a less comfortable arrangement, and rooms with a king bed + sofa bed can be booked in the deluxe resorts for twice or more the rate.

As in most things, being a flexible consumer makes things easier. In this case, my flexibility equates to getting a less comfortable and convenient room or paying much more. It certainly seems like my being more flexible is a good deal for Disney.


Agreed. It's just a few inches wider and only a foot longer than a crib mattress. Really the whole reason for this train of thought, and maybe practical experiment, is this notion that adding a child bed to a room makes it suitable for an extra adult.


I figured this would be on the way... Yeah, two queens isn't an option. It would be nice to pay a little over $300 a night at POR vs the $700 room at Boardwalk we're taking instead. I know it's sorta 'boo hoo' for me or 1st world problems and all that.


To be sure, I never reserve a room for fewer people then actually staying in the room. No one is 'breaking any rules' to get me the room I prefer. Including Hilton Disney Springs, which had no problem booking us into a standard king room, can do so on the standard reservation webpage. But who really wants to stay outside the resort bubble? (Fine, that's a whole different debate.)


It would be easier to settle. It's much easier to simply book a "King bed + sofa bed" room at a deluxe resort. That's what we usually do and we always have a pleasant stay. I just find it a little galling though to be pushed into a resort category we don't really want because it's the only one that has room types that feature an amenity we don't need and do not use.

That's the gist of it I suppose. There is a policy that makes me choose a less comfortable or much more expensive room based on a preferred bed arrangement. It happens that this preference is an uncommon one so there is little need to accommodate it, I don't really expect sympathy from a corporation, and I doubt I'll find any here. But... The policy is arbitrary. It is a rule put in place simply because they can and because the people affected by it are few or because it is seen as (and in many other instances probably is) a kink they would wish to distance themselves from.

But their reasons are their own and if they can make it about the number of adults in one bed they can make it about the number of children in a bed or the type of coffee maker in the room or just about anything. A policy stating that children 11+ yrs old shouldn't share beds so families of 4+ are required to book the more expensive rooms with bunk-beds, or sofa beds, or book a suite is not any more arbitrary or intrusive into the choices a family planning a vacation make. Yet such a rule would affect many (most?) families and a shocked and offended outcry would be heard.

Have you looked at the Swan/Dolphin as suggested a few posts prior? It's literally next to the Boardwalk and you would get the exact arrangement you are looking for at probably half the price of the Boardwalk. It sounds like you travel a lot - are you a Marriott Bonvoy member?

Disney already has a ton of occupancy rules in place that affect families of all shapes and sizes. Anytime you go over 2 guests (and you want a king) or 4 guests (looking for a standard room), you are going to find your room choices start to become limited and more expensive. On their end, setting occupancy limits is probably not arbitrary at all. They have been in the hotel management business for almost 50 years and, I'm sure, being the most visited tourist destination in the world, have reasons for limiting guest numbers in certain room categories and if part of that is to boost profits, well, they are a publicly traded company so that's kind of what their goal is. Disney already heard the "outcry" from larger families and created value suites for groups of 6 and mods that sleep 5 (at least for now) to try to give those families more economical options, but those options will still be more expensive than a standard, value room. Any family that isn't happy or won't fit in WDW's standard king or 2 queen rooms will always be paying a higher price for a room category that suits their needs. We are one of those families and, due to medical conditions, prefer 2 rooms. WDW, unlike some other resort properties, won't guarantee connecting rooms, so we book 1- and 2-bedroom villas or we book suites at Swan/Dolphin which we've found to be our most economical options. Not cheap by any means, but not out of line with what we spend for similar accommodations globally. It is the price we pay to make our WDW stay comfortable.
 
It is impossible for Disney to come up with a room set up that works for every family/group every time. They have to go with what would work for most, give a few options, and let the guest figure out what works best.
 
Have you booked yet? I'm curious what you ultimately decide to do. Sounds like, from the comments here, Disney currently does allow 3 adults in a moderate King room (w/ the small murphy bed) so hope that works out for you!
 
I imagine that hotels, especially ones at Disney put limits on their room occupancy because there will be people that would put 2 families in one room. The 4 adults getting the 2 beds and the gaggle of kids all on the floor. I know my parents and aunts/uncles would have done that. They did not want to have that many people in a room for a number of reasons. Fire code, wear and tear, more work for the housekeepers, and yes, loosing money. I don't blame them. If you allow any amount of people in a room, it starts to get overcrowded.
 
I would just book 2 queens and ask for a bedrail. We used a bedrail on one side of the bed when son was younger and it was fine. Didn’t look like a hospital bed at all. You should still have plenty of space in the room at POR.
 
Either your math or your statement is wrong. A 76" mattress feels so ( much more) commodious than a 60" mattress because it, well, is. That 28.67" per person feels like more space than 30" isn't subjective; it's psychological.
I was highlighting the perceived increase in space when compared to the actual increase in space. With two people on the bed, moving from a queen to a king is only an extra 8" of bed width. The measurement of a king being 16 inches wider than a queen is not subjective but feeling cramped with two on a queen when simply adding an extra 8 inches per person makes the bed feel empty is. Or how having even three people on a king feels less cramped than even just two on a queen. There is a subjective element there as well as something in the nature of how people share bed space.

Regardless of how may people on the bed, one generally doesn't just divide the width into that number of equal lanes and then each sleeper centers themselves within that lane. I would posit that how close one must sleep to the edge of the bed (or to the wall as that would entail) is a larger factor than how close one must sleep to another person in how one perceives the crampedness of a sleeping arrangement. Fellow sleepers are accommodating of basic human sleeping postures (to some extent anyway) at least moreso than the hard edge of a mattress or wall.

Which Moderate Disney resorts provide this configuration?
With the exception of the POR king room with pull-down child bed, which seems to come up on the reservation page on a technicality and will not be an option long. I don't think any of them do.
Ergo my acknowledgement that it would be easier to settle for a less enjoyable 2-queen room at POR, and easier to just pay 3x the price and take a king room at a deluxe that's rated for 3 adults.

Disney policy allows/expects a maximum of two persons per bed. I have no idea where you are getting the idea that Disney doesn't allow children to share a bed designed to hold two people :confused3. And not 4+, as the majority of rooms have a maximum occupancy of four. Did you mean 5+?
Not sure where you got the idea that I was saying as much? I mean, the level to which you parsed and truncated my actual statement makes me suspect you are intentionally misrepresenting my words to make it seem as though I have said this. I'm fully capable of asking weird questions and awkwardly raising uncomfortable points without the help thank you.

What I said was...
A policy stating that children 11+ yrs old shouldn't share beds so families of 4+ are required to book the more expensive rooms with bunk-beds, or sofa beds, or book a suite is not any more arbitrary or intrusive into the choices a family planning a vacation make [than the situation I'm describing in this thread]. Yet such a rule would affect many (most?) families and a shocked and offended outcry would be heard.

It is a policy in place within many hotel properties as the best way to operate the business. Setting a maximum occupancy based on bedding prevents, or greatly reduces, the ability of guests to streeeeetttch the actual number of occupants.
You know what works just as great and is the final arbiter at nearly every hotel chain? Setting a maximum occupancy based on some percentage of the room occupancy limit. Setting a maximum occupancy based on the size of the room even.

This isn't about stretching the number of people on one reservation. You can't have a rational and fairly determined policy that says (all else being equal) 4 adults can fit on two full sized beds, but three adults are too many for a king bed. In fact, three people on a King is almost exactly as crowded as two on a Full. Two people on a full get 42.2 sq. ft. each. Three people on a king get 42.2 sq. ft. each. So let's not pretend this is about preventing people from packing a room full warm bodies. It's fine to pack 4 adults into a 260 sqft value, but if I want to put three of those people in a 314 sqft moderate we can only do so using specific sleeping arrangements?

I get it. It doesn't affect you so it doesn't matter.
 












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