Poor Sportsmanship in the NFL

[FINFAN]

I think his protest is an insult . As many have stated there are many ways to go about making your point without disrespecting the flag of the very nation that protects your life, family and loved ones. My son suggested they play the anthem for the entire game so this ungrateful brat sits out the whole thing. I feel he is using his "cause" selfishly as smoke screen to cover his inevitable exit due to his lack-luster performance. Bottom line? Move to another country if you have it so bad here, Kap~ There are millions trying to come in, they would love to take your spot. Don't let the flag whip you in the a.. on the way out.

 

[disneyjunkie]

I haven't read the whole thread. Have Francis Scott Key's racism been discussed yet? I find it interesting that people are upset that a black man refuses to stand during the National Anthem, a poem written by a man who felt that blacks were "a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community."

 

[FINFAN]

I haven't read the whole thread. Have Francis Scott Key's racism been discussed yet? I find it interesting that people are upset that a black man refuses to stand during the National Anthem, a poem written by a man who felt that blacks were "a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community."

well, seeing as how he stood for the anthem up until recently , guessing that isn't his reason.

 

[JoeA]

I haven't read the whole thread. Have Francis Scott Key's racism been discussed yet? I find it interesting that people are upset that a black man refuses to stand during the National Anthem, a poem written by a man who felt that blacks were "a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community."

No, people are upset that a MAN sat during the playing of our National Anthem. And they find a touch of irony that a wealthy black man is complaining of oppression.

 

[JaxDad]

I was reading an article at lunch today (I think it was from the Orlando Sentinel). Apparently, during the press conference to explain his stand against oppression, Kaepernick wore a Fidel Castro t-shirt...

Edit: I guess saying his "stand" against oppression was a poor choice of words...

 

[JoeA]

I think his protest is an insult . As many have stated there are many ways to go about making your point without disrespecting the flag of the very nation that protects your life, family and loved ones. My son suggested they play the anthem for the entire game so this ungrateful brat sits out the whole thing. I feel he is using his "cause" selfishly as smoke screen to cover his inevitable exit due to his lack-luster performance. Bottom line? Move to another country if you have it so bad here, Kap~ There are millions trying to come in, they would love to take your spot. Don't let the flag whip you in the a.. on the way out.

Oh, he'll be sitting for the whole thing, National Anthem or not! He's just not that good!

 

[disneyjunkie]

I think his protest is an insult . As many have stated there are many ways to go about making your point without disrespecting the flag of the very nation that protects your life, family and loved ones. My son suggested they play the anthem for the entire game so this ungrateful brat sits out the whole thing. I feel he is using hies"cause" selfishly as smoke screen to cover his inevitable exit due to his lack-luster performance. Bottom line? Move to another country if you have it so bad here, Kap~ There are millions trying to come in, they would love to take your spot. Don't let the flag whip you in the a.. on the way out.

I think your son's comments are an insult.

As an American, he is free to stand or sit during the National Anthem. His protest was nonviolent and did not interfere with those around him.

Maybe your son should get his *** out of the country. As an American, I think anyone who takes issue with a nonviolent protest should get the hell out.

 

[luvsJack]

I think your son's comments are an insult.

As an American, he is free to stand or sit during the National Anthem. His protest was nonviolent and did not interfere with those around him.

Maybe your son should get his *** out of the country. As an American, I think anyone who takes issue with a nonviolent protest should get the hell out.

She didn't say her son said he should get out. Her son said they should play the anthem so that he would sit the whole game.

If the man isn't happy here, either do something to make it better (as in an actual action) or leave or suck it up. Those are really the only options he has. Sitting on that bench did not do one thing.

 

[JoeA]

I think your son's comments are an insult.

As an American, he is free to stand or sit during the National Anthem. His protest was nonviolent and did not interfere with those around him.

Maybe your son should get his *** out of the country. As an American, I think anyone who takes issue with a nonviolent protest should get the hell out.

I think you need to go back and read the post a few more times.

 

[Wendy31]

well, seeing as how he stood for the anthem up until recently , guessing that isn't his reason.

Maybe, while he was sitting on the sidelines not playing, he happened to google Francis Scott Key & decided right then, "Well, that's the LAST time I'm standing for the National Anthem! I'll show them!"

I think your son's comments are an insult.

As an American, he is free to stand or sit during the National Anthem. His protest was nonviolent and did not interfere with those around him.

Maybe your son should get his *** out of the country. As an American, I think anyone who takes issue with a nonviolent protest should get the hell out.

Her son's comments are an insult to what? To Kaepernick?

It's NOT okay for her son to insult Kaepernick, but it IS okay for Kaepernick to insult America?

That's a bit of a double-standard, don't you think?

And her son's comments are far less of an insult than Kaepernick's not standing while the Anthem is being played.

Kaepernick is free not to stand. He is not free from what people now think of him because of his refusal to stand.

 

[Hikergirl]

She didn't say her son said he should get out. Her son said they should play the anthem so that he would sit the whole game.

If the man isn't happy here, either do something to make it better (as in an actual action) or leave or suck it up. Those are really the only options he has. Sitting on that bench did not do one thing.

One would think that if he was so disenfranchised by his own country he would seek one where he wasn't so oppressed. I guess he hasn't found any other yet where he can make millions tossing a ball.....

I think your son's comments are an insult.

As an American, he is free to stand or sit during the National Anthem. His protest was nonviolent and did not interfere with those around him.

Maybe your son should get his *** out of the country. As an American, I think anyone who takes issue with a nonviolent protest should get the hell out.

I think her son's comment is right on the money.
He is free to protest all he wants while the anthem plays, and we are free to think that the anthem should be played the whole game so he can continue is right to non violet protest

 

[JoeA]

Maybe, while he was sitting on the sidelines not playing, he happened to google Francis Scott Key & decided right then, "Well, that's the LAST time I'm standing for the National Anthem! I'll show them!"
.

After he googled that he sent a text to his maid and reminded her to pick up the dry cleaning, and then he called his stock broker and tax attorney to check on his numerous investments. $12M a year just doesn't go as far as it once did and he wants to make sure he's OK

 

[disneyjunkie]

No, people are upset that a MAN sat during the playing of our National Anthem. And they find a touch of irony that a wealthy black man is complaining of oppression.

How dare someone who has obtained success not ignore the struggles that many in his community still face.

He should simply take an I GOT MINE, YOU BETTER GET YOURS attitude.

 

[FINFAN]

I think your son's comments are an insult.

As an American, he is free to stand or sit during the National Anthem. His protest was nonviolent and did not interfere with those around him.

Maybe your son should get his *** out of the country. As an American, I think anyone who takes issue with a nonviolent protest should get the hell out.

learn to read before spouting off about my son. NOTHING in my post stated we have an issue with non-violent protesting. Our issue is with disrespect for the anthem. Where did I post Kaepernick isn't free to make his choice? Nothing in my post suggested violence. My post is that his way of displaying his point is an insult and disrespectful and if he isn't happy with the way this country has allowed him to live? Head on out to one that he feels will. My son's point was that if the dude likes sitting during the anthem, let him sit...the whole game and let someone else who does respect the country play. Sheesh But thanks for jumping to conclusions . My SON AND I's issue is with disrespecting the National Anthem...something Kaepernick semed to have zero issue standing for while being handed his million's.
My son and I will defend the anthem and this country until the day we die...sorry if that's too violent a notion for you

 

[bcla]

Why does it matter why they did it? They did it, that is the point. They were willing to sacrifice everything in their lives, including their own life when they enlisted. Does it matter that few spent time in the dirt or sand? No of course not because they would have if they were ordered too. I can't even continue without saying something that would get me banned.

I will just leave it at this I can't speak for myself, but those I know who have served, are currently serving and are just enlisting, yes refusing to stand for the National Anthem is an insult to them, just as what you have posted here would be.

I have a rather nuanced view on the military. I'm neither of the "baby killer" nor "rah rah" persuasion. I appreciate what they do, but I don't go as far as hero worship either. Military members do all sorts of things, and many of these duties are extremely mundane. A friend served in the Army as a personnel clerk. He had a desk job and never slept in anything other than a bed outside of basic training. Another was an officer and spent time in the field, but also got to travel in those fancy corporate jets that transport flag officers and Cabinet members.

Sure what Kaepernick did is patently an insult to the national anthem and flag. It was meant to be. It might even be an insult to those who love the flag (who includes a lot of military members and veterans). But specifically an insult to the military? Not even.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Maybe, while he was sitting on the sidelines not playing, he happened to google Francis Scott Key & decided right then, "Well, that's the LAST time I'm standing for the National Anthem! I'll show them!"



Her son's comments are an insult to what? To Kaepernick?

It's NOT okay for her son to insult Kaepernick, but it IS okay for Kaepernick to insult America?

That's a bit of a double-standard, don't you think?

And her son's comments are far less of an insult than Kaepernick's not standing while the Anthem is being played.

Kaepernick is free not to stand. He is not free from what people now think of him because of his refusal to stand.

And your son isn't free from what people may think of his comments on this.


Based on what I'm seeing on social media, on the news, hearing on the radio... Kaepernick has tons of support for refusing to stand.

 

[Wendy31]

And your son isn't free from what people may think of his comments on this.


Based on what I'm seeing on social media, on the news, hearing on the radio... Kaepernick has tons of support for refusing to stand.

Thank you for quoting me. But it's not my son. It's FinFan's.

And based on what I'm seeing in social media, the news, & the radio, there's also a lot of disgust for Kaepernick refusing to stand & a lot of agreement w/ FinFan's son.

Like with most things, there are typically several sides to any issue. Blessed are those who are not so near-sighted that they can't see other views.

 

[FINFAN]

And your son isn't free from what people may think of his comments on this.


Based on what I'm seeing on social media, on the news, hearing on the radio... Kaepernick has tons of support for refusing to stand.

lol, and my kid said let him sit the whole game...so others agree, awesome! It was pointed out that you misread a post. I am the one who said Kap can feel free to move to another country by the way....so you still have not read correctly

 

[bcla]

And I realize, in today's world, patriotism is scorned at, & it's considered intelligently superior to be cynical of our country, its military, & its "faux patriotism."

That's okay. I'm still free to think our country & its liberties are worth dying for. I'm still free to honor the men & women who do.

I wouldn't say it's "faux patriotism", as for many people it comes from a true place in the heart. However, I think it's "easy patriotism" as it doesn't require much beyond conformity. This guy wrote something that describes it pretty well:

https://phil21stcentury.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/inequality-and-true-patriotism/

Cheap and easy patriotism focuses on the symbols: raising the flag, singing the hymns, participating in parties small and large, visiting one’s country’s monuments. None of which is bad, but if it goes no further it remains hollow, because one is to the real things a country consists in: the human beings that are the home of the country’s ideals. One excellent example of this is Poland, which ceased to be an independent state in 1795; during the two centuries that followed (with the exception of the ill-fated Second Polish Republic), the Polish people kept their country alive in their hearts, and after the fall of the Iron Curtain a new Polish republic arose in fulfillment of the promise that their patriotism had held onto those many years.​

 

[bcla]

lol, and my kid said let him sit the whole game...so others agree, awesome! It was pointed out that you misread a post. I am the one who said Kap can feel free to move to another country by the way....so you still have not read correctly

Sure, because nothing says "you have your rights" more than suggesting someone leave after exercising those rights.