Poll~Change In 2010 Points

[Sammie]

I already added an extra night to our October 2010 planned long weekend trip to BWV for the food and wine festival after figuring out that we will save about 12 points per year with these new charts.

Of course, if we decide to do a large family gathering again in the future, I'll probably not spend the "extra" points on another night but save them instead. And also downgrade from 1 bedrooms to studios for a few trips so that I have extra points for a two bedroom.

I really don't understand the reaction of "the sky is falling" by so many people who only had an increase of a few points to their standard trips. Borrowing and banking are normal for me so I can't relate to people who HAVE to spend the same number of points for the same nights each year.

You don't understand it because it does not affect you. Also to some people their use of DVC and the way they have become used to using it, is personal and that again is probably something you don't understand.

You also exercise the transfer option and for many they neither have the points or the cash to do that, so yes they are limited to a certain number of points being used in a certain way, each year at a certain time. When they bought they were told by their guide it would work. Yes they know the POS states it can change but that does not mean they have to like it.

As you once stated,

Don't judge me by YOUR standards of what is important enough to care about

I think that is all those you percieve as feeling the sky is falling, would want also.

I am glad it benefits you and your usage but it does not work for others.

 

[Inkmahm]

Because we live "closer" to the mouse, we have been maximizing our points since day 1 of our purchase and staying as much as possible - usually 2x per year at WDW and for the past 2 years a few days at HHI. With the new changes, we will either have to change our accomodations or drop a trip. In my calculations, that equals less $$$ for disney as I'm sure that our family will not be the only ones in this situation.

But someone else will stay in your place, the villa won't go empty. Disney loses nothing.

 

[Inkmahm]

You don't understand it because it does not affect you. Also to some people their use of DVC and the way they have become used to using it, is personal and that again is probably something you don't understand.

You also exercise the transfer option and for many they neither have the points or the cash to do that, so yes they are limited to a certain number of points being used in a certain way, each year at a certain time. When they bought they were told by their guide it would work. Yes they know the POS states it can change but that does not mean they have to like it.

As you once stated, I think that is all those you percieve as feeling the sky is falling, would want also.

I am glad it benefits you and your usage but it does not work for others.

I never said member shouldn't care, just that the sky is not really falling. They aren't looking at options to work with the new points such as banking, borrowing, transfering, etc. Rather than look for a solution, it is so much easier to run around yelling "the sky is falling, the sky is falling." It isn't.

I've read from people who had their total points required for the year go up by TWO who claimed they would now sell their contracts because they can't travel for the same number of days anymore. Seriously? A one time transfer in of 50 points would cover you for the next TWENTY FIVE YEARS if you just 'have" to have that same vacation every year. I just think some people have lost perspective for the moment and will realize it isn't SO bad afterall once they calm down.

 

[anna08]

But someone else will stay in your place, the villa won't go empty. Disney loses nothing.

Not according to the poll.....

 

[Inkmahm]

Not according to the poll.....

Then whatever "poll" you're referring to makes no sense.

It is a simple math equation, nothing more. Unless your poll covers the entire universe of DVC owners, it means nothing. It only will tell you what people who posted in the poll plan to do.

Someone staying a night less will be offset by someone staying a night longer. The total points don't change at a resort. The total number of room nights don't change at a resort. All that changes is which people are IN the rooms.

 

[Sammie]

I never said member shouldn't care, just that the sky is not really falling. They aren't looking at options to work with the new points such as banking, borrowing, transfering, etc. Rather than look for a solution, it is so much easier to run around yelling "the sky is falling, the sky is falling." It isn't.

I've read from people who had their total points required for the year go up by TWO who claimed they would now sell their contracts because they can't travel for the same number of days anymore. Seriously? A one time transfer in of 50 points would cover you for the next TWENTY FIVE YEARS if you just 'have" to have that same vacation every year. I just think some people have lost perspective for the moment and will realize it isn't SO bad afterall once they calm down.

I would agree with that. I just think that change is harder for some than others due to their point total, lifestyle, jobs, etc.

The point change does not affect me greatly I can handle it. I do however feel the focus has changed with DVC to sell at any cost versus what we bought into, which was a company that truly cared about its members. If that continues and they continue to make hap hazard decisions and execute them poorly, I do will consider selling. Mainly because my history with large businesses has taught me that once they start doing that, it is not long before they self implode.

Their maintenance, housekeeping and now customer service has been slipping greatly lately, if that continues I will not continue to support them with my visits or money. There are too many wonderful places in this world that will treat you differently.

 

[ramkam]

The change is terrible. The points required for Friday/Saturday stays are still high enough to discourage you from staying those nights. The reduction does not make weekend stays attractive. The only folks who benefit are the people who were already using their points for weekend stays. All the change did was make weeknight stays more costly. The people who suffer are the folks who own a smaller number of points. The rationale for having the points higher on the weekend was because demand for those nights is greater. So why would Disney suddenly want to do something to make weekend nights more affordable? DVC appears to be attempting to force people to add more points and/or free up additional nights during the week. The change will also support a sales pitch to new owners that you need a higher initial point buy in. For example, before, the pitch would be you can have five nights in a 2 bedroom during magic season for 200 points. Now it will be five nights for 220 points. Disney just wants folks buying in at a higher level of points even though they do not get any more value. Remember, Disney does not do anything that is "good" for you unless it is first good for Disney.

 

[Uncle Remus]

The change is terrible. The points required for Friday/Saturday stays are still high enough to discourage you from staying those nights. The reduction does not make weekend stays attractive. The only folks who benefit are the people who were already using their points for weekend stays. All the change did was make weeknight stays more costly. The people who suffer are the folks who own a smaller number of points. The rationale for having the points higher on the weekend was because demand for those nights is greater. So why would Disney suddenly want to do something to make weekend nights more affordable? DVC appears to be attempting to force people to add more points and/or free up additional nights during the week. The change will also support a sales pitch to new owners that you need a higher initial point buy in. For example, before, the pitch would be you can have five nights in a 2 bedroom during magic season for 200 points. Now it will be five nights for 220 points. Disney just wants folks buying in at a higher level of points even though they do not get any more value. Remember, Disney does not do anything that is "good" for you unless it is first good for Disney.

So well said, thank you.

The only thing I'd add is Disney calls it "membership enhancenment."


I'm still in "I got screwed mode."

 

[kikiq]

I really don't understand the reaction of "the sky is falling" by so many people who only had an increase of a few points to their standard trips. Borrowing and banking are normal for me so I can't relate to people who HAVE to spend the same number of points for the same nights each year.

Thank for saying this. I know many people are just venting but some are taking this way too personal. This change doesn't really affect us. We're west coasters, so we usually stay weekends. Plus our Disney visits have to be in the summer, so we'll make it work when ever we have money for airfare.

 

[auntsue]

I totally understood that they were able to change the point values if they felt like it, and it will probably be close to a push for us for the two or three 9-10 day trips we take every year to the BWV, give or take a few points (actually, give them). However, what I don't get is how they are already changing the BLT requirement. DH wasn't real crazy about buying in, but I was able to talk him into 64 points, enough for two weekday nights in a 1BR MK view in Adventure Season. We just made the January 14 deadline. I sent the paperwork in yesterday and today I read I'm going to need 68 points instead of the 64 I bought. That to me is really annoying! I can assure you, DH is not buying four more points!

Also, for the people who stay primarily Sun.-Thur. nights, it is a real hit. If they are flying in, it's hardly worth it for a four day trip.

 

[Uncle Remus]

This actually dominos to whether or not I think it's worth it to buy the
annual pass now and whether it's worth it to fly to Orlando twice a year.

One thing is sure, I don't want to be at Disney with all the folks that are there on the weekends, no offense, folks.

 

[kikiq]

I am a bit confused that they changed the points at WDW to bring the weekend points down a bit, yet the weekend points for VGC are extremely high! They must think think DL locals will try to stay more weekends than FL locals?

Of course, i would I live 25 minutes from driveway to DLR parking Mickey level. I had planned to add on 50/75 points at VGC specifically to be able to stay there on birthday/anniversary/1/2 marathon weekends. The birthday and anniversary dates fall in seasons with usually low points so we felt a small add on would be enough and give us 11 month advantage for the 1/2 marathon weekend. Between the weekend points and 100 point minimum, we are not purchasing right away, still crunching numbers.

 

[auntsue]

I have one question. I didn't understand the comment Inkmahm made about transferring, about how "a one time transfer in of 50 points etc." How does that work? I am always in a state of borrowdom. I just booked my Dec. trip with points from 2010-2011. I was hoping I wouldn't have to live in borrowdom with my BLT points. I'm just asking, because I doubt if DH would even consider it if it involves spending money, but I'd like to know how it works. Do you buy them from another member? Do they retain the use year you tranfer them from? Could I transfer BWV points to my BLT contract? Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer.

 

[momof3poohlovers]

I have one question. I didn't understand the comment Inkmahm made about transferring, about how "a one time transfer in of 50 points etc." How does that work? I am always in a state of borrowdom. I just booked my Dec. trip with points from 2010-2011. I was hoping I wouldn't have to live in borrowdom with my BLT points. I'm just asking, because I doubt if DH would even consider it if it involves spending money, but I'd like to know how it works. Do you buy them from another member? Do they retain the use year you tranfer them from? Could I transfer BWV points to my BLT contract? Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer.

I think what she is saying is that if you transfer 50 points in because you were going to be 1-2 points short each trip. You could use those 50 points for your 2010 trip and then bank 48 points(I subtracted 2 points for the 2 points you were short)from your contract. The following year you would use 2 of the 48 points you banked and then have 46 points left over to bank for the next year. This would continue on for about 25 years depending on how many points you are short. Does this make sense?

 

[momof3poohlovers]

I voted for no difference as we own 740 points so the small changes don't really affect us too much. I do, however, understand how those who bought just enough points because that's all they could afford or have small contracts would be affected. I do admit to being a little concerned about all of the "member enhancements" that DVC is implementing. Although, the change in points only costs me a few points each trip and I don't usually waitlist, I am still worried about the direction DVC is headed.

 

[trpscooby]

Personally, I like the change. We normally stay weekends as after a loooong flight we just wanna stay put for 10+ days. I just worked it out that I won't have to transfer in 4 points for our next visit; I'll actually be saving a few!!

 

[DisneyDreams21]

I voted for no difference as we own 740 points so the small changes don't really affect us too much. I do, however, understand how those who bought just enough points because that's all they could afford or have small contracts would be affected. I do admit to being a little concerned about all of the "member enhancements" that DVC is implementing. Although, the change in points only costs me a few points each trip and I don't usually waitlist, I am still worried about the direction DVC is headed.

It's exactly that direction that will stop me from adding on, as I planned to over the next few years. It's also the reason I will no longer buy 5 annual passes for our family. We will not be there 3-4 times/year now. I never cook, so there goes dining for 5 at the restaurants.

We are in the category of Sun-Thurs travelers for most trips. I can see how the change affects everyone in different ways and this seems to be the basis for the reactions. Sure more people will buy in but loyal DVCers were probably the easiest to sell to. Unhappy DVCers will still mean lost business in some way.

Done with my 2 cents. We will see Universal finally at least now : )

 

[ashbradnmom]

I think what she is saying is that if you transfer 50 points in because you were going to be 1-2 points short each trip. You could use those 50 points for your 2010 trip and then bank 48 points(I subtracted 2 points for the 2 points you were short)from your contract. The following year you would use 2 of the 48 points you banked and then have 46 points left over to bank for the next year. This would continue on for about 25 years depending on how many points you are short. Does this make sense?

It makes sense, you would not be banking the 50 points you transfer but you would bank 48 2009 points, then in 2010 you would bank 46 2010 points and so on. So essentially if you were just 2 points short you could have one transfer last a long time. But unfortunately this doesn't help everyone.

 

[dizzneebabe]

I voted other, b/c:

We'll treat our BLT points the same, staying there 2x in three years in a 1bdrm lakeview, during magic.

For our AKV points we are one point shy of traveling every year in Adventure, so we'll have to borrow each year-1 pt, then 2pts, then 3 pts, etc.

 

[anna08]

Then whatever "poll" you're referring to makes no sense.

It is a simple math equation, nothing more. Unless your poll covers the entire universe of DVC owners, it means nothing. It only will tell you what people who posted in the poll plan to do.

Someone staying a night less will be offset by someone staying a night longer. The total points don't change at a resort. The total number of room nights don't change at a resort. All that changes is which people are IN the rooms.

The poll is at the top of the page. And, yes, while it is no complete DVC, it is a small sample. Educate me please because I am a beginner. Aren't you assuming then that there is never vacancy in a DVC? According to my last stay at VWL I would say there were MANY rooms vacant. Most resorts' points are sold out, correct? So that means unless folks are willing to cough at least $2500 and waitlist for "scarce" points, there are many who will stay a day less because they will simply plan based on what they have available. And many who will now spend a few day at Universal. I guess this doesn't hurt DVC but the parks more. All I would like is acknowledgment that they are not stellar at consumer relations. So, how would we go about getting a DVC wide poll done? Everyone's deed is public record?......