Political - Why can't he admit a mistake ?

[Broken8ball]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Might want to check your facts before you start calling people "idiots"
Might want to check your facts before calling the rest of us gullible. My complete and total disdain for the left leaves me no choice to see you all as idiots. As someone else here has in their signature Vote Democratic, its easier than working!


See, if you knew anything at ALL about the region, you'd know that Saddam's was the only secular government around
See, if you knew anything about the region, you would know that while nominally secular, Saddam also claimed to be the defender of several Islamic Holy Sites and the leader of an islamic sect. He also was the source of funding for Hezbollah and Hammas and paid large sums of money to the relatives of the suicide bombers attacking Israel. Saddam may not have been a fundamentalist but he and al queida clearly had the same goals

Could you please show me where the 9-11 comimission proved anything at ALL like what you're claiming ? I'll wait right here while you do that
My original post contained a slight error. I meant Joe Wilson not Richard Clark. Wilson was the one who said Bush lied about the Uranium from Niger. It turns out he was lying when he said that. the 911 commission's report contains items saying the reports of Iraq attempting to buy yellow cake uranium were true. Here is a link to a Washington Post article:
Wilson Lied

As for Faithinkarma, it is hypocritical of you to attack me for calling liberals idiots considering some of the lies you have propogated about those of us on the right on these boards. I find all of your posts pure fiction and find most of them offensive.

Once you learn the truth from fantasy and learn to think for yourself, maybe we can have a real debate.

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
So when Kerry says he speaks another language he is being arrogant, and when Bush says God speaks through him, he gets a pass?

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2004/07/16/quote_of_the_day.html

http://lancasteronline.com/pages/news/local/4/7565

Well, I'm not inclined to believe that he said exactly that, but since the Lancaster Online said it, and they were in the room with him (ahem) I assume, then it must be true (ahem). I think it is much more likely that he say "to me" rather that "through me"....something I wouldn't find the least bit arrogant.

Most reports of the President as a raving religious loonie come from questionable sources, IMO (Lancaster Online notwithstanding).


Kind of like the "Sandy Berger was cleared", story....I think we need multiple sources....preferable some that are mainstream....independently reporting the same story before it becomes really credible.

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by Broken8ball
As someone else here has in their signature Vote Democratic, its easier than working!

However, you've gotta love it!

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by ThAnswr
The weapons inspectors were told to leave Iraq by the Bush administration because of the coming war.

Let's at least get our facts straight.

yes please do get your facts straight..Saddam kicked the inspectors out several times, allowing them back only when threatened with military action..

 

[Nancy]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
I guess he thinks that if he keeps the lie going, people will vote for him. Look at how many people on here still believe it!

So does that make all those people wrong? Aren't they entitled to vote for whomever they like?

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Broken8ball
Might want to check your facts before calling the rest of us gullible. My complete and total disdain for the left leaves me no choice to see you all as idiots. As someone else here has in their signature Vote Democratic, its easier than working!

Or "Vote Republican, it's easier than thinking", as is clearly shown by this drivel

Originally posted by Broken8ball
See, if you knew anything about the region, you would know that while nominally secular, Saddam also claimed to be the defender of several Islamic Holy Sites and the leader of an islamic sect. He also was the source of funding for Hezbollah and Hammas and paid large sums of money to the relatives of the suicide bombers attacking Israel. Saddam may not have been a fundamentalist but he and al queida clearly had the same goals

Really, then why did bin Ladin support the overthrow of Saddam ? Or was the 9-11 commission just lying about that ? If you knew half as much as you pretend to you might be able to keep up.

Originally posted by Broken8ball
My original post contained a slight error. I meant Joe Wilson not Richard Clark. Wilson was the one who said Bush lied about the Uranium from Niger. It turns out he was lying when he said that. the 911 commission's report contains items saying the reports of Iraq attempting to buy yellow cake uranium were true. Here is a link to a Washington Post article:
Wilson Lied

Why quote the 9-11 commission, then point to the Washington Post ? Did you even bother to read the report ?

Originally posted by Broken8ball
As for Faithinkarma, it is hypocritical of you to attack me for calling liberals idiots considering some of the lies you have propogated about those of us on the right on these boards. I find all of your posts pure fiction and find most of them offensive.

Once you learn the truth from fantasy and learn to think for yourself, maybe we can have a real debate.

You'd be a lot easier to take seriously if you weren't behaving like a spoiled three year old. Either post where I or fik has been offensive or just shut up and quit behaving like an idiot.

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by wvrevy
No, you're perfectly within your rights to say and believe whatever you want. Just don't expect people not to call you on it when you make misleading statements. The inspectors were IN country, until we gave them notice that they needed to get out. Period.

I never said immediately prior to our invasion,,those were your thoughts, I said the inspectors were kicked out of Iraq, when I asked later if they ever had been you said yes....

 

[MICKEY88]

Originally posted by KarenC
It's also a myth that the weapons inspectors were kicked out of Iraq in 1998. When the UN inspectors complained that Iraq was not cooperating with them, the UN ordered the inspectors out of Iraq.

http://www.fair.org/extra/0210/inspectors.html

perhaps you should have read all of the page you referenced...LOL

To bolster its claim, Iraq let reporters see one laboratory U.N. inspectors once visited before they were kicked out four years ago.

As Washington debates when and how to attack Iraq, a surprise offer from Baghdad. It is ready to talk about re-admitting U.N. weapons inspectors after kicking them out four years ago.

Information on Iraq's programs has been spotty since Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998.

It is not known whether Iraq has rebuilt clandestine nuclear facilities since U.N. inspectors were forced out in 1998, but the report said the regime lacks nuclear material for a bomb and the capability to make weapons.

If he has secret weapons, he's had four years since he kicked out the inspectors to hide all of them.

What Mr. Bush is being urged to do by many advisers is focus on the simple fact that Saddam Hussein signed a piece of paper at the end of the Persian Gulf War, promising that the United Nations could have unfettered weapons inspections in Iraq. It has now been several years since those inspectors were kicked out.

Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998, accusing some of being U.S. spies.

America's goal should be to ensure that Iraq is disarmed of all unconventional weapons.... To thwart this goal, Baghdad expelled United Nations arms inspectors four years ago.

Since 1998, when U.N. inspectors were expelled, Iraq has almost certainly been working to build more chemical and biological weapons,

The reason Hussein gave was that the U.N. inspectors' work was completed years ago, before he kicked them out in 1998, and they dismantled whatever weapons they found. That's disingenuous.

 

[Nancy]

Originally posted by ripleysmom
"What he did to his people and others were reason enough for his action.
How many Women,Children and men would had been tortured and killed!
I for one am Glad our President had the guts to rid saddam and his henchmen.
If a brutal dictator here in the US was killing your Family would you not Pray for outside help? I know I would."


Would you sacrifice your life or children's life to go into another country and end the brutality?

If my children were old enough to join the military and wanted to defend and support their country I would be proud. If I was younger and able to I would gladly support my country by doing that also. But at 46 and being a still volunteer military i am thankful for the men and women who do our country a great service by doing exactly that.

 

[Galahad]

Would you sacrifice your life or children's life to go into another country and end the brutality?

I am too old to enlist. DS#1 did not volunteer. DW, who was medically retired from the Army tried for a year and a half to get back in when the war started and was unsuccessful (I guess metal knees kind of make working in a field hospital a bit dicey). But the implication that an administration should not engage in military action unless that also ensures that their own children participate in it is an interesting soundbite. But it is a bit absurd to hold this President to that standard of we haven't held others to it. Or if other President's children were too old or too young to serve then they get a pass on this particular criticism? People join the military voluntarily with the expectation that they can serve in combat. They aren't sent to be sacrificed, they are sent to do their job (that the vast majority of them do willingly and without reservation).

 

[shortbun]

Originally posted by JMD
Any evidence to support this or is this just babble?

OK-wanna play? Takes one to know one!

Geesh-GWB could not have come up with all this on his own
nor would he have ventured into this arena without these guys.
It was Baker who went to Florida during the election debacle-
he and his henchmen/women. They were all his Dad's buddies,
not his, the men who ran the campaign. Save for a few token
pals so GWB could feel comfortable, the cabinet is Daddy's
era guys too. Oh yeah, and Condoleeza Rice who covered the
woman and African American slot. She was a Russian expert-talk
about cold war throw back. She IS brilliant, speaks well and is struggling to stay professional as this administration keeps throwing her and Colin Powell in because they present such good images and are good people. Anyway, why would someone as
intelligent as you-not sarcasm btw, have to ask the questions you
do unless you are .....well, I think you know. To be polite, i'LL
just say you must be bored. I'm too darn busy to keep coming
back here and stating the obvious. You will have to entertain
yourself in this post from now on.

 

[SunshineSis]

It's very easy to support a war when it's someone else sacrificing themselves and their children.

I'd fight for this country if we were ever directly threatened, absolutely. I would hope that everyone in my family would do the same thing. That doesn't mean, however, that I would sacrifice myself or anyone else to appease someone else's vanity or to help achieve someone's political goals.

 

[Galahad]

That doesn't mean, however, that I would sacrifice myself or anyone else to appease someone else's vanity or to help achieve someone's political goals.

Gosh, who would? When did that happen?

 

[KarenC]

Originally posted by MICKEY88
perhaps you should have read all of the page you referenced...LOL

The point of the piece was to show how reporting had changed from 1998, when the inspectors left at the UN's direction, and when the story was re-told during the build up to war.

The same news organizations went from reporting the inspectors left at the direction of the UN to saying they were kicked out in 2002.

I suspect the reporting closer to the time of the event was closer to the truth.

 

[inaminute]

It's very easy to support a war when it's someone else sacrificing themselves and their children.

I've said it before and I'll continue saying it--those in the military are there BY CHOICE. They weren't forced. They weren't coerced. They are legally adults. They made a decision and are now being asked to do the job they agreed to do.

Wherever do you get the idea that it's easy to support a war when it's someone else making the sacrifice?

I support the war. My DH supports the war. My sons and DIL support the war.

One of my sons fought for eight months in Iraq. Were I young enough, I'd enlist. My DH and many of his friends (who fought in Vietnam) would have re-enlisted were they young enough.

The truth is, it's easy to support the war when you know we're doing the right thing. No matter the other reasons for this war, getting rid of Saddam Hussein was the right thing to do.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by Galahad
Well, I'm not inclined to believe that he said exactly that, but since the Lancaster Online said it, and they were in the room with him (ahem) I assume, then it must be true (ahem). I think it is much more likely that he say "to me" rather that "through me"....something I wouldn't find the least bit arrogant.

Most reports of the President as a raving religious loonie come from questionable sources, IMO (Lancaster Online notwithstanding).


Kind of like the "Sandy Berger was cleared", story....I think we need multiple sources....preferable some that are mainstream....independently reporting the same story before it becomes really credible.

A week or so ago in another thread, I provided a link to the local newspaper that quoted Bush as saying the exact same thing in an article that was positively glowing about Bush. Unfortunately I cannot find it right now. I will keep looking.

 

[Octoberbride03]

President Bush on Monday said that "knowing what I know today" he would still have gone into Iraq.

IMO Knowing what we know today, we still should have gone into Iraq. I don't think he made a mistake. And come Nov. he won't have to worry about losing my vote. Cause he won't.

The WMD's have very little to do with it. Hussein commited murders by the thousands for fun and taught his sons to enjoy the same kinds of fun. Its about time, he got put in a very dark hole like the 1 he was found in.

 

[Galahad]

The other reference I've seen lately to the "Bush is a religious nut" spin is a piece done by a reporter for an Atheist advocacy publication and in turn referenced verbatim in other sources.

 

[faithinkarma]

Kind of like the "Sandy Berger was cleared", story....I think we need multiple sources....preferable some that are mainstream....independently reporting the same story before it becomes really credible.

It took me a minute or two to realize what a low blow that one was. I don't believe I have ever thrown any mistake of yours back in your face. Lately you have taken to slipping in snide little remarks like that. You never used to use tactics like that. And it occurs to me that as I am searching for other sites I am simply wasting my time as apparently you reserve the right to disbelieve at will. So let's just say I don't believe Kerry was being arrogant when he said he spoke French, and call it even.

 

[Samsara]

Originally posted by Galahad
Yep. Count me as one of the great gullible unwashed.

You're counted!