Political: We couldn't find WMD's...Let's sell 'em some !

wvrevy

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Bush green lights arms sales to Iraq

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) gave the green light to US arms sales to Iraq (news - web sites)'s fledgling government, which faces deadly insurgent violence nearly one month after assuming power.


"I hereby find that the furnishing of defense articles and services to Iraq will strengthen the security of the United States and promote world peace," Bush said in a memorandum for US Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites).


In Iraq, meanwhile, bomb blasts and gunfire killed at least 12 people and a group calling itself "Black Flags" threatened to behead six new foreign hostages unless their Kuwaiti employer pulls out of the country.


Adding to the unease, Bulgaria and Poland became the latest US allies here to receive threats on an Islamist website telling them to join the exodus, as a former Filipino hostage headed home after Manila pulled its small but symbolic contingent out of Iraq to save his life.


Amid escalating violence just three weeks after the US-led occupation ended, Iraq called on neighboring countries for help, saying it wanted joint security cooperation to protect their common borders.


US officials blame the attacks on insurgents seeking to discredit Iraq's nascent government as it struggles to prepare for general elections by January 2005.
 
Does this mean that we should also not have trade with Germany, Russia, Spain, France, England, etc., etc.? After all, some of our past policies were to not have business with them.
 
Originally posted by MJames41
Does this mean that we should also not have trade with Germany, Russia, Spain, France, England, etc., etc.? After all, some of our past policies were to not have business with them.
1 - We aren't talking about "trade" we're talking about GUNS (you know, the things still being fired at our soldiers) and other arms (you know, the things they use to make improvised explosive devices with ?).

2 - Check me if I;m wrong here, but didn't we wait until the wars with Germany, Russia, Spain, France, and England were actually OVER before we started re-arming them ?

3 - Wouldn't it be a good idea to make sure that the govermnent of Iraq is actually going to be the goverment of Iraq for a while before selling them things they can then use against us ?

It's a stupid move at this point. In a year, maybe. Now, it's just dumb.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
We aren't talking about "trade" we're talking about GUNS (you know, the things still being fired at our soldiers) and other arms (you know, the things they use to make improvised explosive devices with ?).

Your subject line states, "We couldn't find WMD's...Let's sell 'em some."

Are you now saying that "guns" are weapons of mass destruction? In other threads you indicated that WMD were biological and/or nuclear. So, which is it?

This is the AP article that I found, concerning this issue:

U.S. Clears Way for Arms Sales to Iraq

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration cleared the way Wednesday to sell arms to Iraq just as it does to other allies, reversing the ban in place for much of Saddam Hussein's regime.

Bush made a presidential determination that the standard methods of engaging in munitions transfers with friendly nations are now appropriate in the case of Iraq and will promote democratic reforms, help achieve reconstruction and strengthen the Iraqi government.

The United States, Bush decided, will rely on the Foreign Assistance Act and the Arms Export Control Act in making Iraq eligible for arms sales on a case-by-case basis.

I didn't read anything where our government was planning to sell biological, nuclear or "improvised explosive devices" to the new Iraqi government. Please provide me with your informational link, I would be interested in reading your source.

What objections do you have that our government plans to "engage in munitions transfers?" I don't understand why you're against the Iraqi government the ability to protect their nation.
 

From United Press International on 07/21/2004:
Nuclear arms reportedly found in Iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq, July 21 (UPI) -- Iraqi security reportedly discovered three missiles carrying nuclear heads concealed in a concrete trench northwest of Baghdad, official sources said Wednesday.

The official daily al-Sabah quoted the sources as saying the missiles were discovered in trenches near the city of Tikrit, the hometown of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

"The three missiles were discovered by chance when the Iraqi security forces captured former Baath party official Khoder al-Douri who revealed during interrogation the location of the missiles saying they carried nuclear heads," the sources said.

They pointed out that the missiles were actually discovered in the trenches lying under six meters of concrete and designed in a way to unable sophisticated sensors from discovering nuclear radiation.

The sources said al-Douri, who is related to former Vice Chairman of the Iraq Revolution Council and Saddam's right-hand man Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, was captured after Iraqi police intercepted an e-mail message in which he set a meeting with another former Baath official.

The report could not be authenticated by the interior ministry or the national security department, but the paper noted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiar Zibari made a surprise request recently to Mohammed el-Baradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, to resume inspections for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
I suppose we still have found any WMD. After all, this is only three nukes. :laughing:
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
From United Press International on 07/21/2004: I suppose we still have found any WMD. After all, this is only three nukes. :laughing:
Sorry, but I don't buy it. Had ONE nuke been found in Iraq, Bush and his pet news service would have been on every channel trumpeting the find.

Maybe this is true and maybe not, but you might want to wait on more than one unconfirmed report to strain something patting yourself on the back.

WE3 What do you think they make "improvised exlosive devices" from, Twinkies ? :rolleyes: Munitions = shells (I'll explain it for you, since you were apparently too busy to join the military and learn these things for yourself :rotfl: ) You know, like the shells that they are using to make roadside bombs ?

And my title for this tread was tongue in cheek, but since you apparently have no sense of humor, I can see where you'd miss that :hyper:
 
Oh, and Steve, you forgot to mention that the Secretary of the Interior in Iraq called this story "stupid"...But then, I guess that wouldn't support your theory too well, huh ?

:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Sorry, but I don't buy it. Had ONE nuke been found in Iraq, Bush and his pet news service would have been on every channel trumpeting the find.

Maybe this is true and maybe not, but you might want to wait on more than one unconfirmed report to strain something patting yourself on the back.
:laughing: This is a typical spin job. It's not important that there's a report of finding nuclear weapons in Iraq; it's the timing of this report. :laughing: Gotta love the spin attempts because if & when this report is confirmed it will, like in every other case (remember the Joe Wilson affair), vindicate the Administration. The truth comes out, maybe not immediately, but it does eventually.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Oh, and Steve, you forgot to mention that the Secretary of the Interior in Iraq called this story "stupid"...But then, I guess that wouldn't support your theory too well, huh ?

:rolleyes:
Here's the link to the UPI story in the Washington Times. That's what I quoted. Your item came from a competitor, Reuters as posted on some web site, "My Way."

I guess news somehow transforms into "theory" when it might blow away your own "neener, neener, neener" posts. :laughing:
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
:laughing: This is a typical spin job. It's not important that there's a report of finding nuclear weapons in Iraq; it's the timing of this report. :laughing: Gotta love the spin attempts because if & when this report is confirmed it will, like in every other case (remember the Joe Wilson affair), vindicate the Administration. The truth comes out, maybe not immediately, but it does eventually.
Steve, did you forget to take your medication again ? :rotfl:

Umm, where did I say anything about the "timing" of this report ? All I said was that you might want to get confirmation before trumpeting the "vindication" of the administration...The only Iraqi official to comment on this called the report "stupid", so I'd be a little slower to claim it as fact, that's all.

If nukes are found, I'll gladly eat crow...but one unconfirmed report from an Iraqi newspaper isn't proof...Sorry :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
Here's the link to the UPI story in the Washington Times. That's what I quoted. Your item came from a competitor, Reuters as posted on some web site, "My Way."

I guess news somehow transforms into "theory" when it might blow away your own "neener, neener, neener" posts. :laughing:
Actually, no, my "item" came from Faux News' website, which linked to Freerepublic.com...But don't bother looking it up, here's the link:

Nukes "Found" ?

Quit acting like a jerk, nobody is attacking you...Really, dude...seek help :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Quit acting like a jerk, nobody is attacking you...Really, dude...seek help :rolleyes:
Is it really necessary to resort to a personal attack when someone disagrees with you? If that's the only way you can play with others, then so be it. :sad2:
 
Originally posted by Eeyore1954
Is it really necessary to resort to a personal attack when someone disagrees with you? If that's the only way you can play with others, then so be it. :sad2:
You mean like making snide comments like "Typical spin job" and "neener neener neener posts" ? All I was trying to say was calm down a bit...ease up on the sarcasm long enough to realize that I was asking a legitimate question, not trying to attack you.

And I have disagreed with quite a few people on these boards, but you and We3 are the only ones it tends to degenerate into name-calling with...Wonder why that is ? :rolleyes:
 
Oh, and it's now been 24 hours since the initial "report" of these nukes was released...Wonder why no other news service (AP ? Reuters ? AFP ?) has picked up on it ? I mean, if true, this is going to be a huge, international news story...Bigger than anything since the fall of Baghdad....So, why hasn't anyone but the Washington Times reported on it ?
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
What do you think they make "improvised exlosive devices" from, Twinkies ? Munitions = shells (I'll explain it for you, since you were apparently too busy to join the military and learn these things for yourself You know, like the shells that they are using to make roadside bombs ?

And my title for this tread was tongue in cheek, but since you apparently have no sense of humor, I can see where you'd miss that

So, by your definition, Iraq had "munition = shells" that could be made into roadside bombs. Wow, they did have WMD.

Nope, don't need an education about this, I'm quite versed, but thanks anyways.

I do have a sense of humor. Everytime you post something I bust out laughing. ::yes:: ::yes:: My sides still hurt about the Financial Times article. You remember, the one where you said their was no connection with Iraq & Niger:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
 
We, as a country, don't really practice what we preach in regards to arms dealing and weapons of mass destruction production, do we? Too many American corporations make too much money off the articles of war.

On the other side, arms are a necessarily evil in assuring the protection of one's country. However, I agree with the original poster that the timing of the sales -- with things still very volitile in Iraq -- seems a bit unwarrented.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Oh, and it's now been 24 hours since the initial "report" of these nukes was released...Wonder why no other news service (AP ? Reuters ? AFP ?) has picked up on it ? I mean, if true, this is going to be a huge, international news story...Bigger than anything since the fall of Baghdad....So, why hasn't anyone but the Washington Times reported on it ?

The Financial Times broke the Iraq & Niger connection one month before the British Inquiry confirmed the connection::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes::
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Quit acting like a jerk, nobody is attacking you...Really, dude...seek help

Is name calling on a public board necessary? Is it really necessary to call someone a "jerk"?
 
Originally posted by we3luvdisney
Is name calling on a public board necessary? Is it really necessary to call someone a "jerk"?
:confused3
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
You mean like making snide comments like "Typical spin job" and "neener neener neener posts" ? All I was trying to say was calm down a bit...ease up on the sarcasm long enough to realize that I was asking a legitimate question, not trying to attack you.

And I have disagreed with quite a few people on these boards, but you and We3 are the only ones it tends to degenerate into name-calling with...Wonder why that is ? :rolleyes:

If that's all you were trying to do then why didn't you say so? Was it necessary to call someone a "jerk?"

Mmmmmm, please show me the public thread where I called you a name? Unlike you, I don't go around calling people "jerks."
 





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