Political: Oops...Ahnold lied

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by bsears


It is also noteworthy that someone felt the need to immediately turn this into an anti Kerry thread. So typical....yeah, so what if he lied, Kerry lied too nanner nanner. Apparently they did not notice that posters said if Kerry had lied he was wrong. But here you all are, defending the indefensible once again. I just don't get why every single thing has to be defended. Do the republicans, like their leader, never make a mistake? I guess I just answered my own question as to why someone would do something like this. Because they know they can get away with it simply because some will defend what they say and do no matter what.

No, that's not why. It's because the attacks the Liberals make seem just groundless to me. . .almost always.

Like this one. Arnold "lied". Is that not a far jump? Would it be more prudent to ask the man to clarify that rather than conclude he had "lied". A falsehood told intentionally is different than misstating something or stating something ambiguously.

What happened, imo, is that he did so well making that speech, that someone found a statement that wasn't clear, and then stated he lied, rather than point out that there might have been errors in his speech. Socialism in Europe is not the same as Communism. He may have exaggerated, but he may have been just explaining things the way he sees them. That makes it, "a lie".

Democrats have been saying that Bush lies all the time. He hasn't LIED. Lie is a strong word, and implies intention.

Kerry, in fact, has lied about many things. And, if they were mistakes, rather than lies, he's had opportunities to clear it up, but hasn't.

 

[zardoz]

Exactly! You throw some "expert" testimony that picks apart part of a quote. Then turns it around to say something different. Then you post what the so-called experts say on a forum like this, that has nothing to do with politics. Now a few more people believe the spin doctors. Slinging this stuff from either side is what drags down the whole political system.

 

[Teejay32]

Welcome aboard zardoz.

 

[LoraJ]

Originally posted by MJames41
Next he will be saying he was in Cambodia at Christmas...

IIRC, he never said he was IN Cambodia. They were in the water 50 miles out of the Cambodian border. I believe the full quote states this. At least from sources I have read and that weren't hacked by the right wing spin media.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by LoraJ
IIRC, he never said he was IN Cambodia. They were in the water 50 miles out of the Cambodian border. I believe the full quote states this. At least from sources I have read and that weren't hacked by the right wing spin media.

No. He said he was in Cambodia Christmas of '68.

From floor speech to the U.S. Senate, March 27, 1986:

I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the President of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared--seared--in me.

Writing in the Boston Herald, October 14, 1979:

I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real.

It was only after July 7, 2004 that Michael Kranish, of the Boston Globe, repeated Kerry's story on Hannity and Colmes.

When the story made it into the 2004 biography written by Michael Kranish and other Boston Globe reporters (John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography by the Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best (New York: Public Affairs, 2004)), and that many noticed that Nixon hadn't even been President Christmas 1968. . .the whole Kerry fabrication unraveled.

Furthermore, in Tour of Duty, his authorized biography by David Brinkley, Kerry states that on Christmas Eve 1968 he was in a town called Sa Dec--about 55 miles FROM the Cambodian border. He says he was back at the base Christmas Day writing entries in his journal.