Political Experience

[denisenh]

Originally posted by Kendra17
Well, I would guess that Kerry will get that vote this time.

Brilliant, simply brilliant.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by denisenh
My comment was aimed at the above post by Rokkitsci. I find it interesting that Rokkitsci (among others), appears to be "pro" President Bush and appears to dislike muslims as a whole.
My statement stands.
"Interestingly enough without the Muslims in Florida voting for President Bush, we would have had President Gore."

You misunderstand. Nobody dislikes Muslims. We dislike Muslim extremists and we dislike the fact that the moderate Muslims--approximately about 92% of the population--do not speak out and condemn these Islamofascists. Big difference.

I dislike the fact that the Islamic culture is producing this many extremists--don't you? My math is really bad, but what is 8% of 1.5 billion?

 

[denisenh]

Originally posted by Kendra17
You misunderstand. Nobody dislikes Muslims. We dislike Muslim extremists and we dislike the fact that the moderate Muslims--approximately about 92% of the population--do not speak out and condemn these Islamofascists. Big difference.

I dislike the fact that the Islamic culture is producing this many extremists--don't you? My math is really bad, but what is 8% of 1.5 billion?

I did not misunderstand the post by Rokkitsci and my statement is correct. But thank you for your time.

 

[Rokkitsci]

Originally posted by denisenh
My comment was aimed at the above post by Rokkitsci. I find it interesting that Rokkitsci (among others), appears to be "pro" President Bush and appears to dislike muslims as a whole.
My statement stands.
"Interestingly enough without the Muslims in Florida voting for President Bush, we would have had President Gore."

My 'dislike' of Muslims can be traced to when their brethren began murdering innocent people, with no statement of outrage.

As far as their religion goes, I have no opinion. If people act like human beings I don't care what their religion says. However, if it is going to be called a "religion" - under any definition I have ever seen - I don't understand how it can remain silent in the face of outrageous barbarism and manifest evil.

As far as your statistic concerning Muslim Floridians in the 00 election, I cannot refute it. I am not sure it has any particular bearing on the conduct of our government today. Bush won.

In fact, my granddaughter who lives in Orlando - and who cast her very first presidential vote - thinks that SHE, along with a few hundred of her friends, is the one responsible for electing Bush.

I choose to believe that she is the one responsible, but any number of groups can take credit - or blame - in such a close election.

She has recruited several hundred others in the past three years. Hopefully, she can outpace the Muslim fickleness this time.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by Rokkitsci
My 'dislike' of Muslims can be traced to when their brethren began murdering innocent people, with no statement of outrage.

As far as their religion goes, I have no opinion. If people act like human beings I don't care what their religion says.

yes. . .this is correct exactly. But, then all the apologists turn it around and blame America first. As if my vocal concerns are reason for these crazies to murder innocents.

 

[luvthatduke]

"You misunderstand. Nobody dislikes Muslims. We dislike Muslim extremists and we dislike the fact that the moderate Muslims--approximately about 92% of the population--do not speak out and condemn these Islamofascists. Big difference.

I dislike the fact that the Islamic culture is producing this many extremists--don't you?"

Thank you, Kendra! Here's my echo...


"what is 8% of 1.5 billion?" = 120,000,000
(that's one hundred twenty million if I did my math correctly)


I will state my position again, as well:
I do not hate ANYONE on this earth, but I simply
cannot stomach the overwhelming silence of
such a group of people, with all their influence
- especially in the Middle East -
and represented by millions around the globe,
who remain silent continually.
When those children were raped, tortured & murdered
in Russia, and there was not any outpouring at all
(and believe me, I wanted to see a HUGE outpouring)
it SPOKE VOLUMES. THEIR SILENCE WAS DEAFENING.
The Chechen Muslims acted not in defense of their
war position as some would believe - no,
they committed unspeakable acts against children
and used the Koran to back up
their attempts at martyrdom.
Let me tell you, none of them met their "twenty virgins."
I believe with all my heart they met up with villains
much worse than any nightmare visited upon them here.

 

[Alice28]

My husband pointed something out to me early on in this race; he said that *most* presidents we have had have been governors, vice-presidents or have had another big leadership role (like Gen Eisenhower). He said that the general public doesn't usually seem to vote for senators for President, as they usually don't have as much ability to command. I thought about it and he was right for a lot of it...W Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, (not Kennedy but he certainly had a dynamic personality), Eisenhower, Truman, Roosevelt.....

I haven't read through this thread, so I may have skirted back to the original post. I would not vote for Kerry because although he has plenty of senate experience, he doesn't, to me, seem to have the ability to lead a diverse group of people. He seems very left of center, very aristocratic...I just don't relate to him at all, nor am I persuaded to believe what he says because he just doesn't have that charisma to lead for me. Although governors *may* not have a lot of power, as one of the early posters said, they have to be able to lead a large body of employees (for lack of better word- sorry, I'm tired), they have to have a personality that is liked by at least the majority of people, and they have to be able to have the initiative to lead.

 

[diznygirl]

I am sad that this thread has skidded into the gutter with venom against the Muslim people. I'd like to point out that this thread is discussing the experience of Bush and Kerry, and neither one of them is Muslim.

Please stick to the topic of this thread. Feel free to start another thread - perhaps even a poll - to see how many people you can find to lead your fight against innocent men, women, and children who just happen to be Muslim. Perhaps you can even start a fundraiser to build your very own concentration camps.

In the meantime, I guess the consensus is that governors have better leadership skills than senators. Given that interesting belief - if John Kerry ran for governor of Massachusetts and then ran again in another four years, would that make him more qualified?

 

[Nancy]

Actually I feel it would...he would have 4 yrs experience in running the government for a state..I would think that would give him more knowledge that is needed to run a country.

 

[dmadman43]

Originally posted by diznygirl
I am sad that this thread has skidded into the gutter with venom against the Muslim people. I'd like to point out that this thread is discussing the experience of Bush and Kerry, and neither one of them is Muslim.

Please stick to the topic of this thread. Feel free to start another thread - perhaps even a poll - to see how many people you can find to lead your fight against innocent men, women, and children who just happen to be Muslim. Perhaps you can even start a fundraiser to build your very own concentration camps.

In the meantime, I guess the consensus is that governors have better leadership skills than senators. Given that interesting belief - if John Kerry ran for governor of Massachusetts and then ran again in another four years, would that make him more qualified?

Not sure about qualified. Definately more experience in actually running an administration (or anything for that matter. Which today he has none)

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by diznygirl
I am sad that this thread has skidded into the gutter with venom against the Muslim people. I'd like to point out that this thread is discussing the experience of Bush and Kerry, and neither one of them is Muslim.

Please stick to the topic of this thread. Feel free to start another thread - perhaps even a poll - to see how many people you can find to lead your fight against innocent men, women, and children who just happen to be Muslim. Perhaps you can even start a fundraiser to build your very own concentration camps.

In the meantime, I guess the consensus is that governors have better leadership skills than senators. Given that interesting belief - if John Kerry ran for governor of Massachusetts and then ran again in another four years, would that make him more qualified?

You must have missed my earlier post where I said:

You misunderstand. Nobody dislikes Muslims. We dislike Muslim extremists and we dislike the fact that the moderate Muslims--approximately about 92% of the population--do not speak out and condemn these Islamofascists. Big difference.

I TRULY believe this. This is not Muslim bashing. . .this is an honest reaction to the events of the world. If there were no terrorist acts committed, I would have nothing negative at all to say about this religion and its political ideology.

Your comment about my desire to build a concentration camp to hold every Muslim is an erroneous conclusion on your part. My comments are in response to a culture that is producing a huge amount of extremists. This is an issue. It is an obvious issue. Yes, the terrorists may be only an 8% of the entire Muslim population, but that 8% is a huge number. And, I would also point out to you that Islam is the fastest growing religion. Did you know that the Student Muslim Associations at American Colleges are usually funded by Wahhabists? And that inmates that convert to Islam are usually converting to Wahhabism, and that Wahhabism FUNDS that movement? That is cause for concern, I think.
http://www.jfednepa.org/mark silverberg/wahhabi.html
http://www.cameraplanet.com/divphps/feature_display.php?f_id=274

About Kerry and Bush: I think Bush recognizes this threat for what it really is, and I don't think Kerry does. I think this is a major difference between the conservatives and liberals and the President and the Senator--this fundamental difference in how they view the truth of the world.

You really might be interested in Michelle Malkin's new book, In Defense of Internment: The Case for Racial Profiling in World War II and the War on Terror, although she's a definite conservative, as you might know. Don't get fooled by the title, though, she isn't advocating rounding up Muslims and sending them to Internment camps--as you've accused me of wanting to.

Lastly, had Kerry been a Governor, that may have made him more experienced, i don't know--it certainly didn't do much for Howard Dean. I think it's the person. . .and, I think Kerry isn't qualified. And, I don't think being Governor would change that. . .would he automatically be more concise? Clear? Less wavering? I don't think so, but since he's not a governor, there's no way to know. I think had Howard Dean been the candidate, the Republicans would have similar issues, and obviously "not being governor" wouldn't be one of them. Neither would "wavering", though. . .since Dean has always been clear on where he stands.

 

[diznygirl]

Kendra17 - I never mentioned any particular poster's name re: anti-muslim comments. Feel free to defend yourself, but I never attacked you.

I merely mentioned that this thread was not about the muslim religion, or muslim extremists. Again, it's about the candidates.

I thank everyone who has helped answer my questions in a civil manner.