Police to interview Maddies mum as a witness

[paulfoel]

That's what I find hard to believe. I find it easier to buy-in to the idea that they killed her accidentally (say by administering tranquilisers so they could carry on their social lives) and then panicked. As I said before, though, nothing would really surprise me.

Debbie,

I reckon you've got it spot on there...

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Again, pure spaculation by the press, but they are saying that the toxicology report on strands of Maddies hair found in the wheel well of the car have some powerful findings.

The thought of taking out the spare wheel and putting in you child into the gap left.
Horrific if true.

 

[Graeme]

The point that intrigues me isn't what the forensic evidence suggests, ie that Maddie was in the car, but why the police are allegedly focussing only on the mother as the possible killer.

She must have told them things in interview that don't add up. Either timings are out or her account has discrepancies. Either way, reports are that she is suspected of killing Maddie, accidentally or otherwise, and her husband of helping get rid of the body. I'm curious to know why they think that when the forensics alone would suggest that either or both could have done it.

 

[disneyholic family]

Again, pure spaculation by the press, but they are saying that the toxicology report on strands of Maddies hair found in the wheel well of the car have some powerful findings.

The thought of taking out the spare wheel and putting in you child into the gap left.
Horrific if true.

i guess because it's so difficult to comprehend makes it that much harder to believe that someone would do something like that....to their own child.....well to anyone, but especially to their own child...

 

[angel659]

The point that intrigues me isn't what the forensic evidence suggests, ie that Maddie was in the car, but why the police are allegedly focussing only on the mother as the possible killer.

She must have told them things in interview that don't add up. Either timings are out or her account has discrepancies. Either way, reports are that she is suspected of killing Maddie, accidentally or otherwise, and her husband of helping get rid of the body. I'm curious to know why they think that when the forensics alone would suggest that either or both could have done it.

Perhaps its because she was the one that found Maddie and didnt call the police for 40 mins. A lady said she would call the police, but Maddies mum said I have already called them. Infact she hadnt

 

[Booknut]

I'm a bit biased as my whole family is Portuguese and it does upset me when people say ridiculous things about the police there and speak like our police here have the monopoly on expertise, precision and good judgement.

With the eyes of the world focusing on them and this investigation I would find it hard to stomach the whole 'they are being framed' argument, just like I didn't buy it with OJ Simpson.

My gut feeling has been from the start that they had something to do with it. Mostly because I had read reports months ago from British holidaymakers staying at the resort who had complained for days about little Maddie waking up in the evenings crying and screaming for her parents - who of course were not there as they were having dinner elsewhere. I had suspected a possible sedation gone wrong but am not sure now.

There has NEVER been any evidence that someone broke in, of course there wouldn't be as the door was never locked to save the parents carrying keys when they went to do their checks.

I still don't know if they are innocent or guilty. All I know is that I don't like them. I want to have compassion for them but I can't muster it and I don't know why. Maybe its how cold they seem, maybe its the whole idea of asking for money to help find their daughter, maybe its the fact that they would leave their kids alone night after night and leave them in a kids club all day so they could go do whatever they wanted to on their holiday, maybe its the fact that Kate, upon noticing her child was gone, did not scream for help or do anything to protect the other two children but actually LEFT THE ROOM and left the twins alone to go back to the restaurant and tell them what had happened. I cannot wrap my mind around these facts.

I've prayed every day for that little girl. It breaks my heart what happened to her. But all I seem to feel for the McCanns is anger and total incomprehensibility at their behaviour before and after she disappeared.

 

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

Hmmmmmm.

It now seems that when the McCanns came back to the UK, they extended the hire of the car and that car is now secure with friends out the way.

They are going to have an independant DNA test of the car.

Would this be after the friends have cleaned the boot?

Is this the object that the Portuguese Police want to get urgently perhaps??

 

[carolfoy]

if that car is such crucial evidence why hasn't it been compounded?

 

[paulfoel]

I'm a bit biased as my whole family is Portuguese and it does upset me when people say ridiculous things about the police there and speak like our police here have the monopoly on expertise, precision and good judgement.

With the eyes of the world focusing on them and this investigation I would find it hard to stomach the whole 'they are being framed' argument, just like I didn't buy it with OJ Simpson.

My gut feeling has been from the start that they had something to do with it. Mostly because I had read reports months ago from British holidaymakers staying at the resort who had complained for days about little Maddie waking up in the evenings crying and screaming for her parents - who of course were not there as they were having dinner elsewhere. I had suspected a possible sedation gone wrong but am not sure now.

There has NEVER been any evidence that someone broke in, of course there wouldn't be as the door was never locked to save the parents carrying keys when they went to do their checks.

I still don't know if they are innocent or guilty. All I know is that I don't like them. I want to have compassion for them but I can't muster it and I don't know why. Maybe its how cold they seem, maybe its the whole idea of asking for money to help find their daughter, maybe its the fact that they would leave their kids alone night after night and leave them in a kids club all day so they could go do whatever they wanted to on their holiday, maybe its the fact that Kate, upon noticing her child was gone, did not scream for help or do anything to protect the other two children but actually LEFT THE ROOM and left the twins alone to go back to the restaurant and tell them what had happened. I cannot wrap my mind around these facts.

I've prayed every day for that little girl. It breaks my heart what happened to her. But all I seem to feel for the McCanns is anger and total incomprehensibility at their behaviour before and after she disappeared.

Same with me. Still cant see how someone can leave kids alone in a strange place like that....

 

[Huggles]

Well said Booknut. My thoughts exactly. BTW did the 'devout' McCanns attend church regularly before the 'abduction' or was it only afterwards? Was it a means to deflect suspicion ( religious folk, so couldn't have done it) or a handy dug up area? I see now that the Portuguese papers are talking about a friendship between Murat and the McCanns...was the Murat home a temporary hiding place hence the second search when they chopped down trees as well?

I know that when we went on a family holiday, even with friends who also had kids, we spent the day together; not putting the kids to a holiday club and then bunging them off to bed so we could go out without them. If we wanted a special meal then friends would babysit our kids ( the dad with theirs, the Mum with ours or whatever) and we'd reciprocate later. Having said that, we wanted to spend time as a FAMILY. I know that even when invited out to friends' houses at Hogmanay and a relative as a babysitter was not an option, then DH and myself would take it in turns to go over to the party. He'd go for and hour then come home and then I'd have my hour even though we would just be the other side of the road and could see the front door and even be so close as to be within baby monitor range.

I'm afraid the 'we were only at the bottom of the back garden' idea does not wash with me and my great regret is that the poor wee soul had to suffer because of her parents' arrogance and self indulgence.

 

[mushumadness]

Ive just heard about all these new things I didnt see much about it in Florida

My question is how if they did, did they put the little one dead into that car? I mean the press were all over them

It sickens me to think that the parents did this and then made a fool of the whole world.

I do think they should be punished for leaving those kids alone in that room night after night, I dont have kids myself but I can definatley say my parents never ever left me alone on holiday or even with a strange baby sitter.

I dont think the other children should be with the parents right now, if they have been made suspects, whos to say they are not at risk

 

[angel659]

It's a very sad story. I dont know what to believe. The evidence does not look good. Especially when I heard that the night before Maddie was taken. A lady upstairs complained to the hotel Manager, because Maddie was screaming and crying for thier parents. Hotel Manager had to get the parents back. I am going with they sedated her and accidently gave her too much or it had an effect of some kind. Why on earth would you leave your child on thier own. She must of been so scared. Bless her little heart.

 

[T16GEM]

if that car is such crucial evidence why hasn't it been compounded?

Exactly what we wondered. I am sure that they wouldn't be allowed to keep it, surely the police would take it away and strip it?

 

[Joanne UK]

The Police have got the car.

 

[PoppyAnna]

I have a four year old daughter and a two year old daughter. My angels.
I want to believe they didn't do it.
Having said that I agree with many on here that I just don't like them, She seems hard, never once showed emotion in the early days - was she hiding grief.? If it had been us DH and I would have been pounding the streets knocking on doors, all our family from the UK would have come over and done them same - not once did we see this.
I live in an area where most people have a comfortable financial life. I meet many Mums who want their life like they had it before their children their children get pushed from grandparents to friends and into long hours kids clubs, Kate McCann strikes me as one of these people. I don't know many mums of three children hold down a stressful job, run a house and get time to go running, gym all the time. I got very fed up with seeing her and Gerry running on the beach without those poor twins when their daughter was "missing". Your life changes when you have children, not all but most of your life is about them - get over it, it's not forever! I am not saying people with careers shouldn't have children and but it's about balance, things do have to be given up, they are not accessories, they are our future. Having children is the most selfless thing you can do. We go without so that we know who is bringing up our children (me) and thats a decision we made after having our first. I went back to work for ten months and cried every day in the loo - and my DD was in the creche downstairs where I could pop in and see her and I still didn't like it! I understand it's not like that for everyone.
Apparently those children spent days and days in the kids club (not my idea of a family holiday), and the twins were still put in it when their sister was missing! I would want to hold my other children as tight to me as possible and NEVER let them out of my sight ever again.
As for the physical act of putting my children to bed, getting ready and closing the door behind me with my children in bed - never! I would never leave the same roof that my children are under.
They have a nanny in the UK, if they wanted the holiday to be for them why didn't they take nanny with them? Although a messive assumption on my part it doesn't seem like it would be a financial struggle for them to do that, I know people that do it.
Another option for them was to get a villa and invite friends over and sit in the garden or by the pool (florida style!) and have dinner, but I suppose villas don't come with kids clubs!!!
This occured when we were in Orlando, it was not reported on the news out there, we found out about it when we came home and were shocked - we could see a cafe from out apartment, not once would it have occured to us to do what they did. I felt for them, what ever they did (leaving her) they didn't deserve to be going through what they were going through. For weeks my DH's first words in the morning were "wouldn't it be nice if they found her today, maybe today's the day". I can tell you he feels differently now.
I can understand how the campaign would spiral, friends would offer to set up websites etc and you wouldn't be able to stop them.
Finally, if they are guilty, leading people (family, grandparents) to believe that your child has been taken by goodness knows who - alone that is criminal in my mind. My Mum and parents in law would kill me for putting them through that. They will be the most hated people in Britain.

Thats my rant over - some of it you agree with, some of it you will probably not - flame suit on......

 

[Booknut]

I agree with you PoppyAnna and I would think most people would understand what you're saying. Why have kids if you aren't prepared to be with them or have proper adult supervision for them? It's mind boggling.

After Maddie first disappeared I do remember my sister being gobsmacked that they were going out without the twins. She said if it had happened to her she'd have used duct tape to keep the twins on her at all times!

I have a sad suspicion that this case will never be solved. Especially if Maddie has died and was somehow disposed of at sea. I just hope she's not suffering wherever she is.

 

[hildasmuriel]

Apparently those children spent days and days in the kids club (not my idea of a family holiday), and the twins were still put in it when their sister was missing! I would want to hold my other children as tight to me as possible and NEVER let them out of my sight ever again.
As for the physical act of putting my children to bed, getting ready and closing the door behind me with my children in bed - never! I would never leave the same roof that my children are under.
They have a nanny in the UK, if they wanted the holiday to be for them why didn't they take nanny with them? Although a massive assumption on my part it doesn't seem like it would be a financial struggle for them to do that, I know people that do it.
Another option for them was to get a villa and invite friends over and sit in the garden or by the pool (florida style!) and have dinner, but I suppose villas don't come with kids clubs!!!

What you said.

 

[Joanne UK]

What I've read elsewhere is that they do (or did) actually employ a Nanny. However, she had a family crisis or bereavment and was unable to go to Portugal with them although the original plan was that she would.

Obviously had she have gone then she would have stayed with the children, I'd like to think that was the plan anyway.

 

[PoppyAnna]

I agree with you PoppyAnna and I would think most people would understand what you're saying. Why have kids if you aren't prepared to be with them or have proper adult supervision for them? It's mind boggling.

After Maddie first disappeared I do remember my sister being gobsmacked that they were going out without the twins. She said if it had happened to her she'd have used duct tape to keep the twins on her at all times!

I have a sad suspicion that this case will never be solved. Especially if Maddie has died and was somehow disposed of at sea. I just hope she's not suffering wherever she is.

Sadly, I think you're right, I'm not sure we'll ever find out whats happened to poor Madeline. Although it chokes me to think it, say it and type it, I hope that it was some sort of sedation gone wrong and that she didn't suffer or isn't suffering now in the hands of goodness knows who.

I cant help feeling anger at attiitudes towards class in this country - something tells me because they are smart middle class doctors they weren't under suspicsion from the start, they managed to convince most of the public that they would never have harmed their children, although they left them alone.
Something tells me if they had been more like from my background, like people I grew up with "Sharon and Dave hardworking cleaner and taxi driver" wearing cheaper clothes and in cheaper hotel there would have been public outcry in the newpapers - I can see it now "Chav parents go out boozing whilst three screaming kids are alone locked in hotel room".

 

[CustardTart]

...I want to believe they didn't do it.
Having said that I agree with many on here that I just don't like them, She seems hard, never once showed emotion in the early days - was she hiding grief.? If it had been us DH and I would have been pounding the streets knocking on doors, all our family from the UK would have come over and done them same - not once did we see this.
I live in an area where most people have a comfortable financial life. I meet many Mums who want their life like they had it before their children their children get pushed from grandparents to friends and into long hours kids clubs, Kate McCann strikes me as one of these people. I don't know many mums of three children hold down a stressful job, run a house and get time to go running, gym all the time. I got very fed up with seeing her and Gerry running on the beach without those poor twins when their daughter was "missing". Your life changes when you have children, not all but most of your life is about them - get over it, it's not forever! I am not saying people with careers shouldn't have children and but it's about balance, things do have to be given up, they are not accessories, they are our future. Having children is the most selfless thing you can do. We go without so that we know who is bringing up our children (me) and thats a decision we made after having our first. I went back to work for ten months and cried every day in the loo - and my DD was in the creche downstairs where I could pop in and see her and I still didn't like it! I understand it's not like that for everyone.
Apparently those children spent days and days in the kids club (not my idea of a family holiday), and the twins were still put in it when their sister was missing! I would want to hold my other children as tight to me as possible and NEVER let them out of my sight ever again.
As for the physical act of putting my children to bed, getting ready and closing the door behind me with my children in bed - never! I would never leave the same roof that my children are under.
They have a nanny in the UK, if they wanted the holiday to be for them why didn't they take nanny with them? Although a messive assumption on my part it doesn't seem like it would be a financial struggle for them to do that, I know people that do it.
Another option for them was to get a villa and invite friends over and sit in the garden or by the pool (florida style!) and have dinner, but I suppose villas don't come with kids clubs!!!
This occured when we were in Orlando, it was not reported on the news out there, we found out about it when we came home and were shocked - we could see a cafe from out apartment, not once would it have occured to us to do what they did. I felt for them, what ever they did (leaving her) they didn't deserve to be going through what they were going through. For weeks my DH's first words in the morning were "wouldn't it be nice if they found her today, maybe today's the day". I can tell you he feels differently now.
I can understand how the campaign would spiral, friends would offer to set up websites etc and you wouldn't be able to stop them.
Finally, if they are guilty, leading people (family, grandparents) to believe that your child has been taken by goodness knows who - alone that is criminal in my mind. My Mum and parents in law would kill me for putting them through that. They will be the most hated people in Britain...

I agree with everything you say, PoppyAnna!

I can't really say much more than that - the whole situation angers and upsets me beyond words. I guess I take being a Mother very seriously and it appalls me when others treat their kids like a inconvenience. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to post - you managed to pin down so many of my own feelings on the subject...