Point Adjustments??

[Hunclemarco]

Either you had an inept guide, a guide who could talk around the facts or you really didn't hear what he/she told you. A guide can tell you anything but if it's not in writing (and all this is in writing in the Public Offering Statement) it's not worth anything.

Ok...i'll be the village idiot....

When we signed into DVC, we didn't know much at all about timeshares, and being disney, we trusted what our guide said; again, because it was disney, and we trusted the disney name. If a guide says "such and such" is policy, we would have trusted it. Like i said, we were nieve. As for our guide, Humberto did an excellent job explaining how everything works. Did he mention cushioning or anything like that? No....but like all other guides may have said, it's not normal for disney to be changing points around regularly.
Was this all necessary...yes.... was it done in PROPER disney form? Nope.

For the way we vacation, we don't have specific weeks designated, and we're not directly effected by the change; Indirectly perhaps.

I do agree and appreciate how Dean and others approached this whole situation, but i can also see that there may have been many others that entered into the DVC world like we did, trusting what the guides said (and i don't think the guides were dishonest), but not fully understanding all of the ins and outs of the results that can happen when Disney exercises their power to implement changes within the boundries of the stated contract.

Not understanding timeshares, i wouldn't have known to ask half the questions that are currently being raised by many now....and i can't say that disney is to blame for that either.
These are my thoughts...as simple as they are.

 

[gonzalj1]

I knew the risk and was well informed.. I am guessing the reason point were so much more on the weekend is they had more of a demand for weekend and would rather have cash paying people or people willing to fork over twice as many points to do so. Now that the economy is bad i am guessing less cash people on the weekend so they are making adjustments.
I think my point is the DVC people are the loyal and steady customers and why would they not being doing more for us. To me this is less, but then again i am less informed.......

Either less infored or less realistic. If you knew this was a possibility and are thsi upset by it you probably thought it could never happen. I call that denial.

Again, some times are higher, some are lower. I don't see how this is DVC doing less for us.

Let's make this argument. If you are a local who uses your points exclusively on weekends this is a major improvement in your membership. It's all relative.

Of course there is more demand for rooms on the weekends. I work Monday through Friday like the vast majority of people. My guess is this holds true in Florida as well. Disney saw a need to make weekends more points to discourage locals from reserving all the rooms. Seemed like a nice balance.

I am a little concerned that the reduction in weekend points will result in locals taking the rooms. But I don't think the points were reduced quite enough to make that a real problem. Only time will tell. If Disney got it wrong and locals start monopolizing rooms on the wekeends be ready for another point reallocation.

Where is Disney getting all these cash reservations you seem to assume? As I recall, they reserve 4% of inventory for maintenance and cash reservations. THey can also rent out any points used for trade into the Disney Collection. Doesn't seem to me like that's a large percentage of their business.

I don't think Disney was trying to figure out how to screw the most people. I think, rather, they saw an inbalance and tried to address it. I'm sure this results in lower costs and better utilization of what is a finite resource. Lower costs means lower maintenance fees for us owners.

 

[slindamood]

This looks like an effort to even out the cost per night. It reflects that DVC is experiencing a higher than desired demand for weekday stays and lower demand for weekend. The change in points should help remedy that.

Timeshares are heavily regulated in Florida, and this change cannot be contrary to our contract. And it is not contrary to our contract - the cost of a one week stay is the same as before. Because timeshares are stated in terms of a week rental, even though DVC gives more flexibility through its point system, the points for a week stay will not change.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

This looks like an effort to even out the cost per night. It reflects that DVC is experiencing a higher than desired demand for weekday stays and lower demand for weekend. The change in points should help remedy that.

Timeshares are heavily regulated in Florida, and this change cannot be contrary to our contract. And it is not contrary to our contract - the cost of a one week stay is the same as before. Because timeshares are stated in terms of a week rental, even though DVC gives more flexibility through its point system, the points for a week stay will not change.

Actually, the weekly rentals are not the same. At VWL a weekly 1 bedroom adventure went from 200 pts to 220 and there are many more examples of that.

 

[jwcrsf]

"Either less infored or less realistic. If you knew this was a possibility and are thsi upset by it you probably thought it could never happen. I call that denial."

I love people that talk tough behind a computer screen. I am sure face to face you might have a hard time talking like that to me.

 

[castleri]

Actually, the weekly rentals are not the same. At VWL a weekly 1 bedroom adventure went from 200 pts to 220 and there are many more examples of that.

and a studio at OKW in Sept goes from 80 to 77 while the GV goes up 6 points a night Sun-Thurs.

For some of my plans these new point allocations are a plus and for some not so great. My guide back in 1997 explained that this was always a possibility so I am not at all upset. It is unfortunate that some did not hear or understand that while the point totals will always be the same for a resort they can be moved around like one of those suduko puzzles to get those figures.

 

[zumfelde]

We were told when we bought in 1997 the reason the points were higher on the weekends was so the local (Florida) people would not always book just the weekends and non local people would be shut out from being able to stay a whole week or longer. With all the growth over the last few years the percentage of Florida owners compared to non Florida owners has gone down and many owners learned to save points by not booking weekends. This has left a large number of empty rooms on weekends so DVC is trying to fix this. We have always just planned our vacations at different times of the year and based the length by the number of points we have available and not always going a certain number of days.

 

[tink too]

Either you had an inept guide, a guide who could talk around the facts or you really didn't hear what he/she told you.

Oh, I heard alright! Guess we just had a guide that talked around the truth to get a sale.

 

[dd08]

Actually, the weekly rentals are not the same. At VWL a weekly 1 bedroom adventure went from 200 pts to 220 and there are many more examples of that.

Not to pick on you, but.....

It actually went up only 6 points not 20.

Again, not trying to pick on you, but there is a TON of misinformation going around now and it's just making things worse.

Most weekly changes only fluctuated by 1-3 points (again, note I said MOST) higher or lower.

And as stated before, the reason *probably* why it was a higher increase for that season at that resort was because the first 2 weeks of December fell in Adventure and there was a HUGE demand for that specific resort for those two weeks.

Again, not trying to start a fight, but I really think the misinformation and exaggerations are just making people that much more upset.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Not to pick on you, but.....

It actually went up only 6 points not 20.

Again, not trying to pick on you, but there is a TON of misinformation going around now and it's just making things worse.

Most weekly changes only fluctuated by 1-3 points (again, note I said MOST) higher or lower.

And as stated before, the reason *probably* why it was a higher increase for that season at that resort was because the first 2 weeks of December fell in Adventure and there was a HUGE demand for that specific resort for those two weeks.

Again, not trying to start a fight, but I really think the misinformation and exaggerations are just making people that much more upset.

My apologies for incorrect information. I try to be factual but my overtired brain was recalling the choice season. It is fine to just correct a post though with facts. I am not pleased with myself about putting out the wrong amount but to nit pick the exact amount is not even what my post was about. That said - my apologies again and really, if you just posted the corrected amount all I would have said is yes, absolutely you are correct.

I was responding to repeated mis-information that the week amounts have not changed. 6 points is a change - just as 1 point is a change. The poster I responded to stated that FL timeshare law wouldn't permit that.

caseleri also seemed to feel I was upset and not understanding that some lowered. Again - the intent of my post which I obviously did very poorly was only to point out that weeks did not stay the same.

Now I'll go over to the main thread on this and post my thoughts on the change.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Oh, I heard alright! Guess we just had a guide that talked around the truth to get a sale.

The reason I said what I did in my earlier post was because of what I heard a gude say once. We were looking at the models at the BWV sales office (may have been the BCV models or VWL models). A guide was taking some people through the studio and telling them the sleeper sofa was queen sized in the studio. I spoke to the guide and said that I thought he was incorrect and it was only double sized in the studios. He insisted it was queen sized. However, before we left, this guide came up to me and told that he had checked and I was correct, they were double sized. Duh. I knew that.

So in this case, an inept guide who wasn't up on his literature.

Our guide when we purchased in 1997 is still working as a senior guide and I believe she started out when DVC started out. I think if you get one of the more experienced or seasoned guides, you won't hear these bad responses.

And if you did get a guide who told you wrong, you need to let someone know that you were specifically given bad information from this person.

 

[hsmamato2]

Dh and I took the DVC tour last year...we didn't buy,but he EXPLICITLY told us like it was big selling point that the points would NEVER change,and that's where we would realize great saving in years to come. It may be untrue,but this is what we would have believed if we had bought. I thought at the moment he said that "what a deal!" of course room prices rise,but DVC will always be the same points? now I know it was untrue,that is sad. I'm glad we didn't buy in.

 

[tarzanman]

For the AKV point chart it is all good news. The points went down for weekly stays in all categories except Concierge level 1 Bedroom villas which had no change.

 

[CarolAnnC]

The reason I said what I did in my earlier post was because of what I heard a gude say once. We were looking at the models at the BWV sales office (may have been the BCV models or VWL models). A guide was taking some people through the studio and telling them the sleeper sofa was queen sized in the studio. I spoke to the guide and said that I thought he was incorrect and it was only double sized in the studios. He insisted it was queen sized. However, before we left, this guide came up to me and told that he had checked and I was correct, they were double sized. Duh. I knew that.

So in this case, an inept guide who wasn't up on his literature.

Our guide when we purchased in 1997 is still working as a senior guide and I believe she started out when DVC started out. I think if you get one of the more experienced or seasoned guides, you won't hear these bad responses.

And if you did get a guide who told you wrong, you need to let someone know that you were specifically given bad information from this person.

I must have toured BWV with the same person! LOL! We were told the same thing about the studio sleeper being queen sized....

 

[CarolAnnC]

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