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[caribbound]

I think the response you get to a report really depends on who receives the report. Not everyone employed by VMK is Yavn or Lily, and I'm sure neither of them handle character reports. There are many standardized replies so depending on the personality of the employee receiving the report, and how their attitudes are in various situations, or how much whining they put up with in their shift that day, etc (as we all react, however professionally, according to our mood of the day), you will get various responses to the exact same report. I don't think it means they care less or are handling the infractions any differently for the most part, just clicked a different response for variety's sake if nothing else. Same as I say Hi, Hello, hiya, hey there. Primarily it's for variety.

To sum it up, don't get offended that vmk doesn't take your report seriously just because you get a simplistic response.

 

[Goofy05]

Hi,

Well CL_slinkyman was told that we would not be able to use the work taken in signatures anymore. To be sure he asked staff himself and here is picture of response he got back-this has NOT been edited:

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I can confirm this as I was the one who told Slinky about this after being in a room where VMK_Bingo was asked about the whole taken situation with the rooms. She requested that if we see anybody with it in their signature to kindly ask them to remove it, especially those of us that are CL's.

Okay. I was going to avoid this whole taken/not taken issue, but I feel someone should bring this up. According to the "new" vmk values, taken/not taken is not against the values, the meet up rooms are. Here is the new value regarding taken:

Create or open any type of 'relationship' room. (This includes, but is not limited to, rooms that include words like 'meet,' 'pick,' 'get,' 'find,' 'have,' 'taken,' etc. in the title).

So, my question is this: Why is staff, presumably VMK_Bingo, telling some CL's to ask people to remove taken/not taken from their signatures? I don't see how that relates to the "meet" rooms.

Unless there is a new value added telling me that taken is wrong, I don't think it's right to ask anyone to remove something that's not against values from their signature. This is my opinion, I'm sure there will be a lot of people who feel it's the wrong stance to take, but I feel there are bigger issues to challenge than someone's use of taken in a signature.

 

[LittleDragonErin]

Okay. I was going to avoid this whole taken/not taken issue, but I feel someone should bring this up. According to the "new" vmk values, taken/not taken is not against the values, the meet up rooms are. Here is the new value regarding taken:

Create or open any type of 'relationship' room. (This includes, but is not limited to, rooms that include words like 'meet,' 'pick,' 'get,' 'find,' 'have,' 'taken,' etc. in the title).

So, my question is this: Why is staff, presumably VMK_Bingo, telling some CL's to ask people to remove taken/not taken from their signatures? I don't see how that relates to the "meet" rooms.

Unless there is a new value added telling me that taken is wrong, I don't think it's right to ask anyone to remove something that's not against values from their signature. This is my opinion, I'm sure there will be a lot of people who feel it's the wrong stance to take, but I feel there are bigger issues to challenge than someone's use of taken in a signature.

Several other people have also done what Slinky did and asked through the help button about it and they've gotten the same response that having "take" or "not taken" in VMK signatures isn't allowed anymore. Perhaps another values update will be added this Monday?

 

[Laurabearz]

IF and a big IF VMK Bingo is asking CL's to do that, well that is WRONG. But I highly doubt Bingo is doing that...

I also think VMK should remove the word Taken and put BACK in PICK! (although it was determined on the pirate dock yesterday that saying I have to monkey with my nose is amusing to say.. but I will let you monkey your ship before we start is NOT a good thing)

Also Although CL_slinkyman got a message saying that Taken and not taken is NOT allowed in siggy's what real good is that if the Values dont say it!
It's pretty much pointless.

 

[Bugdozer]

Okay. I was going to avoid this whole taken/not taken issue, but I feel someone should bring this up. According to the "new" vmk values, taken/not taken is not against the values, the meet up rooms are. Here is the new value regarding taken:

Create or open any type of 'relationship' room. (This includes, but is not limited to, rooms that include words like 'meet,' 'pick,' 'get,' 'find,' 'have,' 'taken,' etc. in the title).

So, my question is this: Why is staff, presumably VMK_Bingo, telling some CL's to ask people to remove taken/not taken from their signatures? I don't see how that relates to the "meet" rooms.

Unless there is a new value added telling me that taken is wrong, I don't think it's right to ask anyone to remove something that's not against values from their signature. This is my opinion, I'm sure there will be a lot of people who feel it's the wrong stance to take, but I feel there are bigger issues to challenge than someone's use of taken in a signature.

My only reply to this is as a CL you have more direct contact with the staff and I would not expect you to take anyones word but theirs. So why not ask them your self. That is why Slink asked himself. Being new at this he does not want to take the wrong approach to anything. He is not on a power trip. Just trying to make VMK a place for us all to enjoy.

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[Goofy05]

My only reply to this is as a CL you have more direct contact with the staff and I would not expect you to take anyones word but theirs. So why not ask them your self. That is why Slink asked himself. Being new at this he does not want to take the wrong approach to anything. He is not on a power trip. Just trying to make VMK a place for us all to enjoy.

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I was not saying anything against Slink. I want to understand why staff would tell anyone that something is wrong, when it is not listed under the values as wrong. That was my point. CL's are required to know and follow the vmk values. Because taken is not against the values, I personally will not ask other players to remove it from their signatures.

Why do you think I have more direct contact with staff just because I am a CL? Not all CL's have access to staff.

 

[Imagine Ears]

I do not agree with this, nor do I believe, this whole "tell people with 'taken' in their signatures to remove them" thing because A) CL's have no place at all to be telling ANYONE what to do, as much as some of them would like to think that they are staff, they aren't; and B) there is no value up right now that says taken is prohibited, which means its fine; if it isn't in the rules it's not a rule

 

[Goofy05]

I do not agree with this, nor do I believe, this whole "tell people with 'taken' in their signatures to remove them" thing because A) CL's have no place at all to be telling ANYONE what to do, as much as some of them would like to think that they are staff, they aren't; and B) there is no value up right now that says taken is prohibited, which means its fine; if it isn't in the rules it's not a rule

Your first part to the post I do agree with. CL's have no right to tell anyone what to do, other than asking them to follow the vmk values and report them when they don't. Just like any other player in the game.

 

[Cabelle1863]

Hopefully it will be as LittleDragonErin said and the values will be updated shortly. Otherwise it's going to be quite confusing and difficult to enforce when it's only word of mouth. I could easily see some umm rebellious players responding to a CL, "Why do I have to take that out of my signature? It's not mentioned in the values." I've seen it before on other gaming boards I frequent, if a rule is not explicitly spelled out in the Terms Of Service some players like to push the limit and make things really difficult for the moderators.

Would it help if those who have the opportunity to interact with Staff to ask if this will be put in the values? I rarely ever see Staff so I would gladly send a message to the Black Hole if you think it would help.

 

[Imagine Ears]

While there may be some CL's with attitude problems, that's not really at issue with this thread. Please refrain from making this an attack on leaders.
Your first part to the post I do agree with. CL's have no right to tell anyone what to do, other than asking them to follow the vmk values and report them when they don't. Just like any other player in the game.

I removed the last part, but I feel that some of the reason she asked the leaders to tell them to remove it was so that they would have something to do, I think sometimes people think that the leader program is worthless because they don't do anything special. As always, IMO. If that wasn't the case, why would she tell them to do that?

Also bug I am not saying you are lying I am simply implying that I think the way she said something may have been misinterpreted by the people in the room because VMK staff are usually pretty good about saying leaders are not special and cannot do anything a regular player can't

 

[disvaclub92]

Perhaps another values update will be added this Monday?

I hope if this message is being passed around, that the rules are updated soon to reflect that. Until the official values are update, this subject will be debated. Having actions prior to rule changes - just causes trouble.

 

[Bugdozer]

Hi,

This issue will not be resolved by me or you or leaders. It is a VMK issue. VMK needs to have a set of rules as to what a leader is suppose to do. Almost like a contract so that these players know what they can and can not do. I agree with there should be something on the VMK page that states to all this is what a CL does, so all of us, me included know what is going on.

Also if there is a change in the values why can't there be a pop up for say the first week or two when you log in stating there is a change in values and either put what the change is or direct people to it. A little communication goes a long way.

I do not want to see this turn into a let's bash the staff and the community leaders. I have respect for all of them and I can see this heading that way. So I am asking Mal or Lori to please close this thread for me before it gets out of hand thanks.

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[timonrn]

LOL Melp I was waiting for the dreaded whole room warning when that kid said that stuff...

 

[Imagine Ears]

Hi,

This issue will not be resolved by me or you or leaders. It is a VMK issue. VMK needs to have a set of rules as to what a leader is suppose to do. Almost like a contract so that these players know what they can and can not do. I agree with there should be something on the VMK page that states to all this is what a CL does, so all of us, me included know what is going on.

Also if there is a change in the values why can't there be a pop up for say the first week or two when you log in stating there is a change in values and either put what the change is or direct people to it. A little communication goes a long way.

I do not want to see this turn into a let's bash the staff and the community leaders. I have respect for all of them and I can see this heading that way. So I an asking Mal or Lori to please close this thread for me before it gets out of hand.

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Bug - I do not want to turn this into a staff/CL flame war, that is why I edited my post; it's a whole other topic in itself, my one and only point was that maybe what she said was misinterpreted or she herself did not mean it the way she said it. I know how VMK staff always say that CLs do not have any seperate "powers" from regular players and that was my point, why would another staff basically imply or say in this case that they do? Like I said a whole other topic in itself but I do think that this issue has more depth involved than we may think which is why it has turned out this way. I do not think you are lying, I do believe you trust me

 

[BriarRosie]

Nothing to see here.....lalalalalala....

 

[Imagine Ears]

You are now entering the Twilight Zone... du do du do du do du do

 

[BriarRosie]

Hi,
<snip>
Also if there is a change in the values why can't there be a pop up for say the first week or two when you log in stating there is a change in values and either put what the change is or direct people to it. A little communication goes a long way.

<snip>
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Actually, that was a thought I had, too. Since the values page hasn't been
updated with this latest development, I'm thinking the system-wide pop up
box works quite well.

I remember last time there was a widespread issue, someone on staff sent
everyone in the game a pop up box alerting everyone to the issue. Instead
of relying on word-of-mouth from staff to CLs to the rest of us, I think
one of those pop up boxes asking players to remove anything referring to
"taken" out of their signatures would be a good start.

Heck, I'd even write it for them:

Due to recent VMK Values changes, "taken" is no longer allowed in VMK.
Please remove any "taken" messages from your signatures and players are no
longer allowed to be "taken". Please read the VMK Home Page for more
information.

And then they'd have an updated link on the VMK Home Page outlining the
new changes in more detail.

That's my .02.

 

[BriarRosie]

That is exactly why I edited my post - I did not want to go into that. I do not think they are all that way, but I have met some that are like that.

My bad. I'll edit mine out and accept this at face value. Thanks.

 

[Imagine Ears]

Actually, that was a thought I had, too. Since the values page hasn't been
updated with this latest development, I'm thinking the system-wide pop up
box works quite well.

I remember last time there was a widespread issue, someone on staff sent
everyone in the game a pop up box alerting everyone to the issue. Instead
of relying on word-of-mouth from staff to CLs to the rest of us, I think
one of those pop up boxes asking players to remove anything referring to
"taken" out of their signatures would be a good start.

Heck, I'd even write it for them:

Due to recent VMK Values changes, "taken" is no longer allowed in VMK.
Please remove any "taken" messages from your signatures and players are no
longer allowed to be "taken". Please read the VMK Home Page for more
information.

And then they'd have an updated link on the VMK Home Page outlining the
new changes in more detail.

That's my .02.

I agree- was there even any sort of reference on the homepage relating to the prohibition of taken rooms? I know it was added to the values and put in the Safety Corner section but I do not see anything on the homepage. Don't know about you but I do not check the values for updates every day lol

My bad. I'll edit mine out and accept this at face value. Thanks.

I completely understand, this thread is getting rather confusing with the arguements/editing, etc.

 

[disvaclub92]

Let me just clarify my point. If direction is given to communicate something, it should be published for all to see. Therefore, CL's who communicate a position in VMK have support for that position.