*please* check out new law about buying supplements

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I don't usually post stuff like this & I HOPE this isn't deleted as a political thread.
but there is a new law they are trying to put thhrough congress that can stop your ability to purchase vitamins etc.

please....... write your congressmanto stop this!


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New legislation in the U.S. Senate would mandate that every dietary supplement would have to go through a brand new process of government review in order to stay on the market.

If this bill, S. 3002, the Dietary Supplement Safety Act, becomes law your health care choices will be drastically reduced, and many of the supplements available today will become illegal. This and other provisions of this misguided legislation affect ALL dietary supplements, including vitamins, minerals, herbs, sports, and diet products.

If you believe consumers deserve real health choices, tell Washington to Save Our Supplements. TAKE ACTION

Help Us Save Supplements! Tell your congressional representatives how you feel:
http://capwiz.com/saveoursupplements/home/
 
Well if that were to include probiotics and Boost, I'd be in a wolrd of trouble! :eek:

What is the exact reasoning behind this move?
 
"New legislation in the U.S. Senate would mandate that every dietary supplement would have to go through a brand new process of government review in order to stay on the market.

If this bill, S. 3002, the Dietary Supplement Safety Act, becomes law your health care choices will be drastically reduced, and many of the supplements available today will become illegal. This and other provisions of this misguided legislation affect ALL dietary supplements, including vitamins, minerals, herbs, sports, and diet products."

What kind of review? the FDA? And why would that be a bad idea? Supplements are not always harmless. A lot of people distrust Western medicine but they're perfectly willing to take something the 16 year old clerk at the health store says will make them beautiful, strong, virile, or lucky. Chemicals are chemicals. I think I'd rather take my chances with chemicals that have been tested extensively than stuff that was growing in some forest 3 weeks ago.
 
I agree. Why is this a bad thing? Tons of "supplements" and products toted as "drugs" are not regulated. There is no standardization of ingredients, any proven testing on human consumption, or efficacy. I think it's about time.
 

I agree. Why is this a bad thing? Tons of "supplements" and products toted as "drugs" are not regulated. There is no standardization of ingredients, any proven testing on human consumption, or efficacy. I think it's about time.

Well, it will come with a HUGE price increase. You can't add more to the process and expect the same status quo. Look at prescription medications. Pharmaceutical's profits are 2nd only to oil profits and in the not so distant past, they were in first place.

These companies toss a patent on a product, then change it up so they can toss another patent on it and then they stop manufacturing their initial product. This enables them to toss another patent on the product which prohibits any competition whatsoever. So we a have government sponsored monopoly (how shocking, NOT). This is one of the reasons why our health care system is in it's current state (frivolous lawsuits are another).

Yes, supplements can also be patented, but practices where supplements are concerned aren't even on scale with what's going on with prescription drugs.
 
I agree. Why is this a bad thing? Tons of "supplements" and products toted as "drugs" are not regulated. There is no standardization of ingredients, any proven testing on human consumption, or efficacy. I think it's about time.
I agree 100%... It's about time. It's amazing to walk trough a health food store and look at all of the products for sale that get to make quasi-medical claims with zero proof of efficacy just because they can slap the title of "dietary supplement" on them! This is an overdue correction of the 1994 law that let the "health food" industry run wild and largely avoid regulation.

BACKGROUND: A BAD, BAD LAW

One of the themes of this blog has been how, over the last couple of decades, the law has been coopted by forces supporting “complementary and alternative” medicine (CAM) in order to lend legitimacy to unscientific and even pseudoscientific medical nonsense. (political content removed), the forces who do not want pesky things like regulation to interfere with their selling of pseudoscience have been very successful. Arguably the crown jewel of their legislative victories came in 1994, when the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) was passed. Demonstrating that pseudoscience is a bipartisan affair, the DSHEA was passed, thanks to a big push from the man who is arguably the most powerful supporter of quackery in government and the man most responsible for the creation of the abomination that is NCCAM, (political content removed). It should be noted that ____ happens to be the recipient of large contributions from supplement manufacturer Herbalife, demonstrating that big pharma isn’t the only industry that can buy legislation related to health.

Dr. Lipson has discussed the DSHEA before (calling it, in his own inimitable fashion, a “travesty of a mockery of a sham“) as has a certain friend of mine. Suffice it to say that the DSHEA of 1994 is a very bad law. One thing it does is to make a distinction between food and medicine. While on its surface this is a reasonable distinction (after all, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to hold food to the same sorts of standards to which drugs are held), as implemented by the DSHEA this distinction has a pernicious effect in that it allows manufacturers to label all sorts of botanicals, many of which with pharmacological activity, as “supplements,” and supplements, being defined as food and not medicine, do not require prior approval by the FDA before marketing:

Under the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA), the dietary supplement manufacturer is responsible for ensuring that a dietary supplement is safe before it is marketed. FDA is responsible for taking action against any unsafe dietary supplement product after it reaches the market. Generally, manufacturers do not need to register their products with FDA nor get FDA approval before producing or selling dietary supplements.* Manufacturers must make sure that product label information is truthful and not misleading.

In other words, when a supplement is marketed it’s more or less the honor system. No registration with the FDA is required. After all, supplements are food, not medicine! In effect, the government can’t really do anything unless problems are reported after the supplement is marketed. Even worse, the definition of “supplement” has become very broad, as Quackwatch points out:

DSHEA worsened this situation by increasing the amount of misinformation that can be directly transmitted to prospective customers. It also expanded the types of products that could be marketed as “supplements.” The most logical definition of “dietary supplement” would be something that supplies one or more essential nutrients missing from the diet. DSHEA went far beyond this to include vitamins; minerals; herbs or other botanicals; amino acids; other dietary substances to supplement the diet by increasing dietary intake; and any concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of any such ingredients. Although many such products (particularly herbs) are marketed for their alleged preventive or therapeutic effects, the 1994 law has made it difficult or impossible for the FDA to regulate them as drugs. Since its passage, even hormones, such as DHEA and melatonin, are being hawked as supplements.

In other words, under the DSHEA, substances that are clearly not foods can be marketed as supplements, including herbs and other botanicals (the vast majority of which are marketed as having a beneficial medicinal effect and some of which contain chemicals that do act as drugs). As long as the manufacturer is careful not to make specific health claims, it’s all good. In other words, a “nutritional support” statement claimed for a supplement must not be a “drug” claim; i.e., it must not claim that the supplement can be used for the treatment or prevention of a disease. Supplement manufacturers easily evade this requirement by making vaguer claims related to organs or systems, such as claiming that a product “boosts the immune system,” “supports heart health,” or something similar, often accompanied by what Dr. Lipson has sarcastically referred to as the “quack Miranda warning“:

These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

(In the interest of disclosure, lest I be accused to trying to hide it... even tough I'm open about it... I work for a company that is covered by those pesky FDA regulations.)
 
What kind of review? the FDA? And why would that be a bad idea? Supplements are not always harmless. A lot of people distrust Western medicine but they're perfectly willing to take something the 16 year old clerk at the health store says will make them beautiful, strong, virile, or lucky. Chemicals are chemicals. I think I'd rather take my chances with chemicals that have been tested extensively than stuff that was growing in some forest 3 weeks ago.

And you're perfectly entitled to your opinion and you are 100% in control of which supplements you're interested in taking.
 
I agree 100%... It's about time. It's amazing to walk trough a health food store and look at all of the products for sale that get to make quasi-medical claims with zero proof of efficacy just because they can slap the title of "dietary supplement" on them!

I suspect that this will just result in an end to those claims to avoid the "process"...
 
I agree 100%... It's about time. It's amazing to walk trough a health food store and look at all of the products for sale that get to make quasi-medical claims with zero proof of efficacy just because they can slap the title of "dietary supplement" on them!

Did you ever fill a prescription where it ran $100 per pill? I've not either, but many people do on a regular basis.

How many $100 supplements will you take after they've been thru the process?
 
Well, it will come with a HUGE price increase.

So, are you saying that cheap and potentially dangerous is better than more expensive and safe?

Thanks, but I'd rather pay more and know that a product has met FDA standards.
 
So, are you saying that cheap and potentially dangerous is better than more expensive and safe?

Thanks, but I'd rather pay more and know that a product has met FDA standards.

While you may be fortunate enough to have the ability to pay more, not everyone would (we are talking a HUGE increase, not a measly $0.02 per dose). A bill like this would put many companies out of business. The process is way too elaborate for many of these companies to run these types of trials and then actually make a profit at the end of the day.

Perhaps you shouldn't be taking them if you feel this strongly about them?
 
Oh, and the proposed bill was cited. Google could be your friend.

Right - If I start a thread, I include the essentials. Without them, everyone on the board that wants to discuss this with any credible information has to look it up. It is basic forum ettiquite... :sad2:
 
So, are you saying that cheap and potentially dangerous is better than more expensive and safe?

Thanks, but I'd rather pay more and know that a product has met FDA standards.

And btw, insurance companies pick up the tab to help the user where prescriptions are concerned. Supplements will never be covered by insurance (another reason it wouldn't be affordable for many).
 
Right - If I start a thread, I include the essentials. Without them, everyone on the board that wants to discuss this with any credible information has to look it up. It is basic forum ettiquite... :sad2:

I don't disagree, but your post read as if you were questioning the truthfulness of the proposed bill.
 
How many $100 supplements will you take after they've been thru the process?
You're right... Pharmaceutical companies should be freed from the yoke of the FDA just like "dietary supplement" makers. They should be able to market any drug they want as long as they stick to vague claims like saying it "aids sexual potency" or makes-claims-without-making-them by using ad slogans like "Better than Botox???". The FDA should only be able to step in if the drugs start harming people. Can we get a show of hands of people that want to see that system put in place?

I'm also not against supplements categorically... I take some of them myself and so does my wife. I just think that segments of the industry really need some reigning in.
 
You're right... Pharmaceutical companies should be freed from the yoke of the FDA just like "dietary supplement" makers. They should be able to market any drug they want as long as they stick to vague claims like saying it "aids sexual potency" or makes-claims-without-making-them by using ad slogans like "Better than Botox???". The FDA should only be able to step in if the drugs start harming people. Can we get a show of hands of people that want to see that system put in place?

I think that the FDA has some pretty ridiculous standards, which result in Americans getting most new drugs last. It would be nice if the FDA allowed the sale of certain drugs with a disclaimer noting that its testing was incomplete instead of forcing them all to pass the same standards before release - even with lives on the line.

I like the idea that the FDA tests, and would use FDA approved drugs as often as possible, but the notion that every drug sold in America has to be FDA approved is absurd (IMO).

Even so, the specious claims made by "supplement" companies need to end...
 





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