Playing HM Against Your Clone??

[aengus]

Now, I will add just one other comment on this that really amazed me since the thread opened. Is this the same board, where thread after thread people bash people for using Mules and sucking up there chances to win this or participate in that and debate the validity of using them at all. those of you that chose to do this so be it but remember if you have a problem with people using mules to do something else, then someone probably has issues with yopu doing this. I present a similar argument for edification, or at least as devils advicate. The mansion can only take so many games before it fils up, if everyone is playing with their mules, you are taking away others peoples opportunities to earn credit. Additionaly the agument can not be made that the game was set up to operate this way. I think people can play however they want, If they are that bored with other people then whatever they want to do, but I find it amazing everytime someone doesn't get something or can't do something they blame mules. Then we turn around and have a discusion on how we can milk more credit from the game with mules totaly outside the frame work of how the game was designed. I'm just throwing this out here as food for thought.

I actually do agree completely adventure

If mansion isn't full, no biggie. I like to always think its only when its player hurting another player should it ever be an issue.

My questions come more of out of curiousity rather than wanting to actually use it.

 

[Adventuredaz]

I actually do agree completely adventure

If mansion isn't full, no biggie. I like to always think its only when its player hurting another player should it ever be an issue.

My questions come more of out of curiousity rather than wanting to actually use it.

I understand aengus, I agree people should be able to use it how they wish - especially if for some reason thats the only way they are comfortable playing. But it is noteable if someone plays 20 games with themself they are taking away a slot on the hall of fame board for some kid that may have tried very hard to get on there. I again am playing devils advocate here. I have enough mules to keep up with the best of them. I was curious if a defense would be put up and what it would be. It ends up the same slippery slope as always. If you say it is ok in one respect and was designed that way I can not see how you can say another way they work fine is not ok. I am with you on conciously not wanting to hurt someone with a mule but it is a consious thing not a lagitamacy thing. to say "So someone somewhere must have actively decided that they want to allow players to play those games 'against themselves.'" is to say if it can be done then it must have been intended. That is simply not true and we all know it. Lets at least be honest with ourselves and use our conscious both in the use of mules and in the defense and attacks on the use of them. Again, I bring it up because I was curious. I know a lot of players at the mansion hat this issue does upset - and they don't consider people caught doing this as legitamate any longer. I leave it at that...

 

[fantasymooma]

When I play with my Mules I play in the morning when VMK isn't packed. This way I don't think I taking up someones space to play a game. When I see that a mule is down to 200 credits or less I go for HM Game and when it rolls around the time that all the kids get out of school. I take my Mule over to the Pirates Dock and rack up my credits there too.

One time I had a random player join my game at the last minute. And they didn't seem to mind that my 2 players were following eachother around. Even tho it was 2 vs 1. I let the player get as many ghost as they could just to be fair.

 

[mtlhddoc2]

"they are taking away a slot on the hall of fame board for some kid that may have tried very hard to get on there."

I do not think this is really a valid argument. So, when you have 2 people who play against each other all day long and one always wins, by design, this is not doing the same thing? I play my wife alot, and I always win, does that make me a bad person now? Sure sounds like it according to the statement I copied.

 

[Vary]

Adventuredaz, in playing 'devils advocate' you seem to be trying to turn this into a black and white issue, and it simply isn't. Don't assume just because some players may grind on mansion all day to get themselves on the top players list that everyone who plays against an alt account is doing the same. And aside from some people apparently using it to get on the high score board (I'm certainly not; I can't take five games of mansion in a row, much less 20,) I don't see how this gets in the way of anyone else enjoying the game, and certainly not in the way that the types of muling I've seen described as 'player vs player' do. Filling up the top slots of a kiosk quest with a string of mules hurts everyone else who played the quest, period. This doesn't.

Of course 'possible' doesn't mean 'acceptable,' But then, I never said it did. There's no simple way to prevent people from registering extra accounts in competitions, not without blocking multiple family members as well. So it's possible, but that doesn't make it a nice thing to do. I didn't just say that playing against yourself was possible, and therefore okay; I said that this game and POTC have evidently been deliberately designed to make it possible. Otherwise, why would the team disable that feature in pirates, where it would make playing with multiple characters difficult, and leave it in mansion, where it makes it easier? If all games were set up one way or the other, it might be different, but they're not, are they?

This is quite simply not comparable to a player, for example, entering mules in the gingerbread competition. When it's done sensibly, it does not hurt anyone.

 

[aengus]

I understand aengus, I agree people should be able to use it how they wish - especially if for some reason thats the only way they are comfortable playing. But it is noteable if someone plays 20 games with themself they are taking away a slot on the hall of fame board for some kid that may have tried very hard to get on there. I again am playing devils advocate here. I have enough mules to keep up with the best of them. I was curious if a defense would be put up and what it would be. It ends up the same slippery slope as always. If you say it is ok in one respect and was designed that way I can not see how you can say another way they work fine is not ok. I am with you on conciously not wanting to hurt someone with a mule but it is a consious thing not a lagitamacy thing. to say "So someone somewhere must have actively decided that they want to allow players to play those games 'against themselves.'" is to say if it can be done then it must have been intended. That is simply not true and we all know it. Lets at least be honest with ourselves and use our conscious both in the use of mules and in the defense and attacks on the use of them. Again, I bring it up because I was curious. I know a lot of players at the mansion hat this issue does upset - and they don't consider people caught doing this as legitamate any longer. I leave it at that...

agreed. I guess things are always complicated. In the end, its my choice to not actively hurt what I feel is player versus player. That line may move from opinion to opinion.

"they are taking away a slot on the hall of fame board for some kid that may have tried very hard to get on there."

I do not think this is really a valid argument. So, when you have 2 people who play against each other all day long and one always wins, by design, this is not doing the same thing? I play my wife alot, and I always win, does that make me a bad person now? Sure sounds like it according to the statement I copied.

I can say the same thing here cant I LOL. I think my opinion lands pretty close to adventure on this, but I cant dispute what you wrote either. The top 10 is not important to me, but doesnt mean it isnt important to someone else.

I think we all agree that people with NO conscience at all and outright are aware they are hurting other players hurt the game in general.

 

[Disneychick74]

"they are taking away a slot on the hall of fame board for some kid that may have tried very hard to get on there."

I do not think this is really a valid argument. So, when you have 2 people who play against each other all day long and one always wins, by design, this is not doing the same thing? I play my wife alot, and I always win, does that make me a bad person now? Sure sounds like it according to the statement I copied.

HAHAHA Do you have another wife?? Because when THIS wife playes you DO NOT always win lol

 

[mtlhddoc2]

HAHAHA Do you have another wife?? Because when THIS wife playes you DO NOT always win lol

8 out of 10, usually.

 

[Adventuredaz]

"they are taking away a slot on the hall of fame board for some kid that may have tried very hard to get on there."

I do not think this is really a valid argument. So, when you have 2 people who play against each other all day long and one always wins, by design, this is not doing the same thing? I play my wife alot, and I always win, does that make me a bad person now? Sure sounds like it according to the statement I copied.

No, it's not. I'm showing that its a slippery slope either way. You can't justify it one place and criticize it in another. I have seen people complain here at times about mules and seen their mules about at the same time. Again, I have plenty of "mules" and have no issue with it either way. But the point of the statement is, there is never a time someone will not or can not claim you are taking something away from them and that simply is not a valid or lagitimate arguement. While any arguement on eigther side may have some truth to it, it's not a definate that they tooke anything from the person complaining. Sure they effected the outcome, but to say you didn't get something you never had a shot at or was more or less dependant on luck just isn't valid. I don't think it's good to run 50 characters through individual quests, and frankly i rarely do personal quests, but some people win great prizes because they were bumped into a better spot by a mule.
By the way there is a lot of mansion players that also complain about those of us that play with friends and family. I can play 60 games with friends or 60games random, makes no difference it's more a matter of how much time you have, I promise you will make more credit and have less "mysterious disappearances" of other players when you play with friends. Also usually playing with friends you may be on IM and be able to have communication about crashes which assist in covering for crash issues.

 

[aengus]

8 out of 10, usually.

we want to see a spreadsheet

 

[Vary]

No, Adventuredaz, I don't think you are showing it's a 'slippery slope.' What you seem to be trying to do is prove that taking up half a dozen slots in a competition that had only 2000 spaces is identical to controlling both characters in a two player minigame. One hurts other players. The other does not. End of story. While it may not be provable that a given muler took the spot of a given player, it is unquestionably true that they took someone's spot. And while it's true that some players might win better prizes from a kiosk quest because someone else played it seven times to win that rare item in the top slot, it's also true that the players who earned those prizes (the top one and the 'good' prize) didn't get them, and that several other people didn't win anything at all because they were bumped off the end of the list by those extra accounts. You're not even comparing apples and oranges. You're comparing kumquats and wildebeest.

 

[mtlhddoc2]

we want to see a spreadsheet

Thats probably the only thing I DONT track in a spreadsheet! LOL

 

[Adventuredaz]

Adventuredaz, in playing 'devils advocate' you seem to be trying to turn this into a black and white issue, and it simply isn't. Don't assume just because some players may grind on mansion all day to get themselves on the top players list that everyone who plays against an alt account is doing the same. agreed and understood And aside from some people apparently using it to get on the high score board (I'm certainly not; I can't take five games of mansion in a row, much less 20,)ROFL I don't see how this gets in the way of anyone else enjoying the game,true, but hard to understand how it is benificial unless someone just does not enjoy playing others - for the most part you still crash and credits are nominally the same as playing but split and certainly not in the way that the types of muling I've seen described as 'player vs player' do. Filling up the top slots of a kiosk quest with a string of mules hurts everyone else who played the quest, period. This doesn't. true yet I have seen this done regularly and once admitedly by well known players, when one does it it drives others to do it. I've also seen Authors use this to effect the outcome of the quest.
I said that this game and POTC have evidently been deliberately designed to make it possible. Otherwise, why would the team disable that feature in pirates, where it would make playing with multiple characters difficult, and leave it in mansion, where it makes it easier? If all games were set up one way or the other, it might be different, but they're not, are they? I find it easier to play multiple players in pirates since it is not as intensive when non competitive, all you have to do is avoid the kraken When it's done sensibly, it does not hurt anyone.some people obviously use mules intentionaly in an ill maner and don't care what others think, no changing that. Some may have differing opinions that vary fom use to use, other times senses ecscape a person and it is realized later it might not have been a good thing. I would definately say this was the case with the dream month, some people used it for personal gain others used it positively. I saw both criticized all around regardless and yet saw some of the active objectors little people about.

agreed. I guess things are always complicated. In the end, its my choice to not actively hurt what I feel is player versus player. That line may move from opinion to opinion.



I can say the same thing here cant I LOL. I think my opinion lands pretty close to adventure on this, but I cant dispute what you wrote either. The top 10 is not important to me, but doesnt mean it isnt important to someone else.

I think we all agree that people with NO conscience at all and outright are aware they are hurting other players hurt the game in general.

I thought I would liven up the discusion here Iunderstand why people have different opinions from time to time, I just wish people would temper their extreams in the critisism vs. their approval. Each person has to use their own judgement and at times this may escape any of us, other time people simply have none and still agian, we all have different stances on this. Often it looks like an army of mules swoped in and grabbed all the prizes when someone blinked, it's simply not always the case - often the complaining party put forthh no effort, other times the muling party puts forth no effort as is the case here.

we want to see a spreadsheet

ROFL

 

[Imagineer_Tech]

I Feel Bad For Starting This Thread Now I Don't Want People To Fight Over It We All Aren't Hurting anyone Else And I Believe My One And Only Question Was : Is It Possible? : And Seeing How Yes We've Learned That Mods Please Close

 

[StrikeKing]

I completely agree with Vary on this!

Someone who enters a mule, as well as their regular player, into a competition like the gingerbread house competition, IS directly hurting other people on VMK. That person would be unjustly taking up a place in the competition, which would obviously directly lead to someone else being left out.

This however is the Haunted Mansion Game!

It's a game, you play it as best you can, and you try to get as many credits as you can. If you have a computer and an internet connection fast enough to play it with mules, then great! It is no different than playing "friendly pirates".

As far as taking up games of the limited number of mansion games that can be going on simultaneously, THAT is VMK's limited server problem! You want to pass blame on someone when you can't get a game, blame VMK! I do!

 

[Dreamytime]

I have played my minion against 1 another when I can't find a friend to play with (don't get me on a rant of ppl quitting mansion...) I played just days ago. I got 490 and the 40 credit win on 1 and 550 on the other. (if i remember correctly)
I use VMKpal and have dual screens.

 

[vmkfan13]

I completely agree with Vary on this!

Someone who enters a mule, as well as their regular player, into a competition like the gingerbread house competition, IS directly hurting other people on VMK. That person would be unjustly taking up a place in the competition, which would obviously directly lead to someone else being left out.

This however is the Haunted Mansion Game!

It's a game, you play it as best you can, and you try to get as many credits as you can. If you have a computer and an internet connection fast enough to play it with mules, then great! It is no different than playing "friendly pirates".

As far as taking up games of the limited number of mansion games that can be going on simultaneously, THAT is VMK's limited server problem! You want to pass blame on someone when you can't get a game, blame VMK! I do!

That last part is true, but then again, that person can wait 1 - 3 minutes for another game to end so they can start their own.

How many times have YOU waited for someone to start a game? Is it any different?

But then again, it goes back to kindness, give someone else a chance to play?

 

[aengus]

heh there is no need to close this thread imagineer_tech, but we are way off topic now ROFL. This is about playing mansion with 2 windows. Lets not drag it out to all the other scenarios.

 

[mikeyandscoobyx2]

Me and my friend just started doing htis now.

I usually help her out since she can only be on VMK for a hour approximately a day. First round, me against her. She stands somewhere waiting, while i go turn pink, i run back to her and she gets me. And so on. Since she is pink, she cant turn pink against her own kind, and well.. I really dont get caught either technically.

She catches up to 50 ghosts maximum. Thats the highest we got so far. ( she got that many ghosts today )

Next round, since shes not so good, she tries to help me while i catch ghosts. Third round we do the same thing as first round, and she wins.

I think she got something close to 600 credits today.. I didnt ask though. i got 240. I really got 200, but i go the bonus for trying haha Trying to help LOL.

Maybe this will help a bit Illusion.

 

[mtlhddoc2]

you dont get credits for catching the other player, only for catching the actual ghosts