Planning on seeing Twilight? Think again

Quote: Aside from Mitt Romney, you seem to be the most popular Mormon right now in the U.S. Do you feel that you are a good representative of your religion? —Mary-Jean Corriss CENTRAL, ISLIP, N.Y.
"Being Mormon is a big part of who I am, and I try very hard to live the right way, but I don't know that I'm an example. I hate to say, "Yes, look at me. I'm a good example of being Mormon." I want to be the best person I can be, so in that aspect, maybe I'm a good example."


I don't know this woman from Adam and have never read any of her books (chick-lit is usually not my thing; my daughter is way too old and my grand-daughters are way too young). I read this quote a little differently. She says being Mormon is a big part of her life. She is right on that part -- being a Mormon is not like being a member of some other faiths: you can't slip it on or off like a sweater. It's always with you, for better or worse, warts and all. Then she says that she wants to be the "best person" she can be. GOOD FOR HER -- I say. Realizing that means different things to different people, we should all get up in the morning and give that a try every day IMHO.

You don't have to roll over and take it. You don't have to be mad at all Mormons (OK -- even if it IS only the dumb wingnut ones; we all feel kinda tarred by the same brush). There is a third way -- constructive engagement.

I think I wrote on another one of these threads not all that long ago: to a large degree, gay people are invisible to a large segment of Middle America. There's Jack from Will and Grace and maybe... remotely... possibly... Robin Williams and Nathan Lane from La Cage. Those people are SO not you guys -- not accountants, not teachers, not lawyers (OK -- Will was a lawyer but how often didja ever see him doing lawyer stuff?) You folks are AWESOME. I wish you knew how often I quote something I read here on this board to others because it's wise, or it's insightful, or it's a window into something I previously knew very little about. If they knew you better, they would far less likely to say and do dumb stuff (like vote for those frickin' *** not allowed to post profanity *** propositions)

The opposite is also true -- 99 and 44/00% of the members of the LDS church are also pretty darn awesome -- kind, salt-of-the earth, optimistic people who just wanna be the "best people" they can. They know something about discrimination too; stories of hideous deprivation and persecution that their great-great-grandparents faced are still very much living family history for many members. You would be surprised at all the commonalities that exist.

I am sure that the church leadership -- no matter what official spokespeople might or might not say -- is feeling a lot of pressure right now. That is GOOD. IT IS HIGH TIME. At an individual level, we all should be talking more TO each other and less ABOUT each other. :grouphug: Every moment of interaction is potentially a teachable moment.

Hugs in particular for :grouphug: Zspa<3ariel :grouphug: cuz yall have ganged up on him & I think he might be feeling misunderstood and generally peed on at this point. Not to mention -- he's cute.
 
TuckandStuiesMom said:
The opposite is also true -- 99 and 44/00% of the members of the LDS church are also pretty darn awesome -- kind, salt-of-the earth, optimistic people who just wanna be the "best people" they can.

I can understand this, but what I cant understand is how people can just blindly continue to give so much cash to an organization that does so much harm with that cash. This problem is not just with the LDS church. I worked with a guy who constantly had money issues, the repo man literally came by once a month. But every week, he wrote that check out to the church!
 
I can understand this, but what I cant understand is how people can just blindly continue to give so much cash to an organization that does so much harm with that cash. This problem is not just with the LDS church. I worked with a guy who constantly had money issues, the repo man literally came by once a month. But every week, he wrote that check out to the church!

I agree. Heartbreaking -- really. :sad1:
 
Hugs in particular for :grouphug: Zspa<3ariel :grouphug: cuz yall have ganged up on him & I think he might be feeling misunderstood and generally peed on at this point. Not to mention -- he's cute.

Okay, speaking for myself, I don't feel like we ganged up on Zspa<3ariel. I feel like he engaged us in conversation (a bit confrontationally -- demanding that we supply him with facts) and that we responded. I don't see that any of us were disrespectful to him or his opinions (any more or less than he was of ours, anyway), and no one told him that he had to agree with us or that he had to stop enjoying the Twilight books and movies. We simply said that we would not be doing so.

I respect that he has voiced his opinion. Mine differs, but that's not the first time that my opinion is different. And I applaud him sticking to his guns.

As for you finding bits of wisdom here on the GLBTQ forum, T&SM, well on that count, I've got to thank you, because quite often the bits of wisdom I take away from here are yours.

Thank you for giving us further insight into this issue. I appreciate it.
 

Okay, speaking for myself, I don't feel like we ganged up on Zspa<3ariel. I feel like he engaged us in conversation (a bit confrontationally -- demanding that we supply him with facts) and that we responded. I don't see that any of us were disrespectful to him or his opinions (any more or less than he was of ours, anyway), and no one told him that he had to agree with us or that he had to stop enjoying the Twilight books and movies. We simply said that we would not be doing so.

I respect that he has voiced his opinion. Mine differs, but that's not the first time that my opinion is different. And I applaud him sticking to his guns.

As for you finding bits of wisdom here on the GLBTQ forum, T&SM, well on that count, I've got to thank you, because quite often the bits of wisdom I take away from here are yours.

Thank you for giving us further insight into this issue. I appreciate it.

Uuuuuuuum - Rob took my answer :rolleyes:
 
My response wasnt about his opinion of the books. But the "bandwagon" remark. Nobody is trying to belittle anybody.

My remark was in response to your suggestion that I was basing my opinion on peer pressure. It seemed to have the condescending tone frequently found in high school.

Please enlighten me. What was the point you were trying to make when you wrote:

or if your just throwing an ill attack to join the group.
 
Sorry for the delay, a group of us went late last night to actually see it (Twilight)again, although we didnt really discuss this topic I have made note to hear what my friends opinions may be. On another note,I don't feel ganged up on, not in the slightlest.
It seemed to have the condescending tone frequently found in high school.
Correction, I may have just turned 20 a month ago, but I will actually be a Jr. in college next year.

And what I meant was everybody but me has the same opinion on this matter, so for a moment there it (agreeing with the "masses") seemed like the popular thing to do. That was all I meant.
 
Trust me - I for one try never to go with the flow if I can help it.
;)
 
Sorry for the delay, a group of us went late last night to actually see it (Twilight)again, although we didnt really discuss this topic I have made note to hear what my friends opinions may be. On another note,I don't feel ganged up on, not in the slightlest. Correction, I may have just turned 20 a month ago, but I will actually be a Jr. in college next year.

And what I meant was everybody but me has the same opinion on this matter, so for a moment there it (agreeing with the "masses") seemed like the popular thing to do. That was all I meant.

Popularity had nothing to do with most everyone disagreeing with your stance. To say so diminishes an otherwise serious topic that is important to the majority.
 












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