Plan Ahead with Lightning Lane Entry at Walt Disney World Starting July 24

[Mouse Tracker]

if you have a 14 day resort stay planned with a check in date of July 31 (check out date Aug 13) , you can start booking on July 24th. Therefore, pricing for July 24th - August 13th should be available on July 24th.

I agree

 

[rpmaill]

So it took me a minute to realize what you’re saying, but it seems like you think you can only make your 3 LLMP’s for your first day and then you can’t make anymore for the rest of your trip until you use one? That”s not how it works. You can make 3 for every day of your trip 7 days before your first day. So let’s say your days of your trip are September 8-14. On September 1, you can make 21 LLMPs (3 for the 8th, 3 for the 9th,…., all the way to 3 for the 14th). Then, on each park day you can make another one for that day every time you use one.

Ahhhh ok gptcha. I was mistaken on that

 

[MinnieMSue]

So this has probably been mentioned but I missed it in all of the skimming through posts - can you pick your time when you pre-book rides with the new system? Has Disney mentioned that? The one thing I didn’t like about genie plus wA having to take the time you were given then modifying it. With FP+ I could pick my times. I’m hoping to be able to do that

 

[Tom_E_D]

So this has probably been mentioned but I missed it in all of the skimming through posts - can you pick your time when you pre-book rides with the new system? Has Disney mentioned that? The one thing I didn’t like about genie plus wA having to take the time you were given then modifying it. With FP+ I could pick my times. I’m hoping to be able to do that

Yes, you pick your times (arrival windows), From the Disneyworld website:

• If you select a Lightning Lane Multi Pass, you can choose up to 3 Lightning Lane Multi Pass experiences and arrival windows in advance.
• If you select a Lightning Lane Single Pass, you can choose an arrival window in advance.

 

[Happyjen27]

After 73 pages of great content, I’m curious what the hive mind would do with a trip from 19Jul-27Jul.

Do MK and DHS early in the trip before the 24th?
Attempt MK evening arrival on 24Jul hoping all the influencers crowding the park are done with content and take advantage of EEH?

Current draft before this news dropped was:
Fri 19Jul arrive around noon, visit AK around 3 to do last ride FoP
Sat 20Jul DHS arrive late, ride RoTR around Fantasmic or last ride
Sun 21Jul early morning entry
Mon 22Jul EP arrive at 7PM, take advantage of EEH ride Remy last ride (subject to change if I get VQ for GoTG)
Tues 23Jul DHS arrive late afternoon ride busy rides during Fantasmic and later
Wed 24 MK arrive at 7, stay for EEH
Thur 25 AK late afternoons, ride FoP last ride
Fri 26Jul MK late afternoon, you know the drill
Sat Jul 27 fly home

My original plan didn’t include any Genie+, and some ILL as needed.

What would you change based upon the new LLMP and LLSP?

(Yes I know rope drop is awesome but July is as hot as the sun and I’m traveling with teens. It’s everyone’s vacation, not just mine.)

 

[Cabius]

My original plan didn’t include any Genie+, and some ILL as needed.

What would you change based upon the new LLMP and LLSP?

Personally, I would treat LLMP the same as Genie+ in terms of the impact it will have on your vacation. If you were going to get G+, I would get LLMP. If you weren't, I wouldn't.

Ultimately, Disney allocates some percentage of LL slots for each attraction, so assuming they don't tweak that wildly, then how they are allocated doesn't really matter unless you're actively using the system. Unless uptake rates for LLMP are much higher than for G+, it shouldn't really have a huge impact on the standby experience. And summer has been relatively slow so far, anyway.

 

[DCLMP]

Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised, but my gut feeling is that this is not going to start well .I literally bought my tickets three days before they announced this. I'm planning on going in August.

 

[ford family]

Interesting discussion.

When we arrive at BWV for a seven day visit without any access to this new system because we don't live in the US or Canada what is the likelihood of getting anything?

Pretty slim I would think.

Maybe we could just use our DVC as a hotel and focus on the non Disney attractions of Central Florida?

ford family

 

[andrewilley]

When we arrive at BWV for a seven day visit without any access to this new system because we don't live in the US or Canada what is the likelihood of getting anything?

There is a lot of talk in the international Disney communities about whether either using a VPN, or more likely a GPS-faking app on an Android phone or via an Android emulator on a computer, will allow the new system to be accessed by a user outside of the USA. Doing so does seem to allow the current Genie+ system to be accessed anyway. I can't see the US/Canada rule being a technical limitation, it'll be more of a territorial/legal jurisdiction one. But we obviously won't know for sure until 24th July.

Andre

 

[fbarker]

There is a lot of talk in the international Disney communities about whether either using a VPN, or more likely a GPS-faking app on an Android phone or via an Android emulator on a computer, will allow the new system to be accessed by a user outside of the USA. Doing so does seem to allow the current Genie+ system to be accessed anyway. I can't see the US/Canada rule being a technical limitation, it'll be more of a territorial/legal jurisdiction one. But we obviously won't know for sure until 24th July.

Andre

wow such lengths to game the system!! No wonder Disney as to go to such great lengths to control the park benefits versus people not looking for a way to "beat the system"

 

[tom1944]

wow such lengths to game the system!! No wonder Disney as to go to such great lengths to control the park benefits versus people not looking for a way to "beat the system"

I would not consider that gaming the system. I think it is taking steps to be treated like similar customers

 

[andrewilley]

wow such lengths to game the system!! No wonder Disney as to go to such great lengths to control the park benefits versus people not looking for a way to "beat the system"

Not at all, it's just a case of trying to fight your way through Disney's utterly broken IT system. Almost any webpage you care to name on the disney.com website gets automatically redirected to the more limited disney.co.uk site if you are accessing the internet from a UK address. If I'd wanted the UK Disney site, I wouldn't have typed ".com" in the first place. Even something as simple as looking for hotel suites or daily park tickets ends up redirecting to the ".co.uk" site, where many pages don't even have equivalents so you just get a page-not-found error. Whenever I want to book a direct room-only deal in dollars, I always have to use a VPN or it just bounces me to the UK site where I only see whatever inventory they have left in the UK system.

Andre

 

[Jellybean9]

Interesting discussion.

When we arrive at BWV for a seven day visit without any access to this new system because we don't live in the US or Canada what is the likelihood of getting anything?

Pretty slim I would think.

Maybe we could just use our DVC as a hotel and focus on the non Disney attractions of Central Florida?

ford family

I would imagine your days 1-3 preselect inventory will be slim but I still anticipate your day of selections (what you’re able to book after using your first LL) will make the purchase worth it (assuming you rope drop). I have an upcoming August trip and plan on booking a tier 2 LL for park opening and scanning in as soon as physically possible. I might leave a window open from 9:45-noon with no preselects so that I can hopefully book immediate redemption LL’s after scanning in for the first preselect. Or I might modify preselect #2/3 for earlier time once I’ve cleared out Preselect 1.

 

[UKdisneydad]

wow such lengths to game the system!! No wonder Disney as to go to such great lengths to control the park benefits versus people not looking for a way to "beat the system"

Feel that’s very unfair. Us international guests pay for a long trip (often 2 weeks) and choose to pay the higher accommodation prices of a Disney hotel for the perks relating to the theme parks. By being excluded from the LL pre-booking process is a massive slap in the face as we aren’t getting a service we are paying a lot of money for and it will put us at a huge disadvantage compared to many who live on U.S. soil.

I for one have absolutely no moral objection to using the VPN & GPS spoofer in order to get what I’ve paid for and no one else should either. Regardless of the reason, it’s really disgusting Disney have put this limitation in place and not offered any form of financial or non financial compromise in place for those of us who have paid a lot of money for the inferior hotel rooms/facilities at Disney compared to non Disney hotels in the same price bracket. If I’d know about this before my trip in October I would 100% have stayed off site.

 

[steve_rob]

Feel that’s very unfair. Us international guests pay for a long trip (often 2 weeks) and choose to pay the higher accommodation prices of a Disney hotel for the perks relating to the theme parks. By being excluded from the LL pre-booking process is a massive slap in the face as we aren’t getting a service we are paying a lot of money for and it will put us at a huge disadvantage compared to many who live on U.S. soil.

And what makes it worse is that if you do complain to Disney, all you get is a copy and paste e-mail (with no apology) that says "Guests from other countries, they will be able to begin their pre-arrival planning on the My Disney Experience app after they reach the United States"

(NB. this is the actual identical quote from multiple people who have received replies, but the words in bold are my emphasis, not Disney's).

How can it be "pre-arrival" if you're having to do it POST-arrival? e.g. the earliest you can do it is when you're already at MCO, or possibly even your hotel!

 

[bdrex28]

Feel that’s very unfair. Us international guests pay for a long trip (often 2 weeks) and choose to pay the higher accommodation prices of a Disney hotel for the perks relating to the theme parks. By being excluded from the LL pre-booking process is a massive slap in the face as we aren’t getting a service we are paying a lot of money for and it will put us at a huge disadvantage compared to many who live on U.S. soil.

I for one have absolutely no moral objection to using the VPN & GPS spoofer in order to get what I’ve paid for and no one else should either. Regardless of the reason, it’s really disgusting Disney have put this limitation in place and not offered any form of financial or non financial compromise in place for those of us who have paid a lot of money for the inferior hotel rooms/facilities at Disney compared to non Disney hotels in the same price bracket. If I’d know about this before my trip in October I would 100% have stayed off site.

I'm sure this has been discussed, but what is the reasoning that Disney limits international guest options? I assume there is some reason they use, just curious as to what it is.

 

[Cabius]

I'm sure this has been discussed, but what is the reasoning that Disney limits international guest options? I assume there is some reason they use, just curious as to what it is.

I don't think that they have announced it, but my assumption is that it is due to European privacy laws like GDPR that make it much harder to manage real-time systems that run through the app, especially when payments are involved.

With things that you can book over the web, like park tickets and hotel reservations, I think they have separate websites with separate payment and data storage back-ends that are compliant with European laws. These have to feed into some single global database to manage inventory (you need a single-source-of-truth of hotel bookings), but that doesn't have to be absolutely real-time, and you can de-identify some information, redact payment details, etc.

Whereas for anything booked via the app, they are running everything through a single app, and it's built to talk to the US-based database only, use the US-based payment provider, etc. If they allowed European residents to use the app, they would likely be processing payments and storing data in ways that would violate Europe's (exceptionally cumbersome!) privacy laws, and creating a lot of legal liability for themselves.

This isn't to say it's impossible. If payment processing is the sticking point, they could theoretically route users to EU-based or US-based payment workflows depending on their geography. If there are tax implications, they could factor those in. But it's quite a bit more complicated, both legally and technically.

I am not a lawyer, but I've worked enough with multi-region support and privacy/payment compliance to suspect that these are the issues.

 

[kylenne]

I'm seeing scattered reports on various FB pages today that resort guests who arrive after 7/24 but whose 7 day booking window opens prior to that are getting emails saying they'll be able to prebook. Obviously take it with a huge grain of salt because it's FB but I know we have a few folks in this thread who mentioned their trips fall during the changeover, and y'all may want to keep an eye out on your email. I'm very curious to see if anyone here can confirm that.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

I'm seeing scattered reports on various FB pages today that resort guests who arrive after 7/24 but whose 7 day booking window opens prior to that are getting emails saying they'll be able to prebook. Obviously take it with a huge grain of salt because it's FB but I know we have a few folks in this thread who mentioned their trips fall during the changeover, and y'all may want to keep an eye out on your email. I'm very curious to see if anyone here can confirm that.

We are early August but I’m eagerly waiting for confirmation if APs can pre-book LLMP at a different park than their reservation park, and would much rather get the answer this week than next week!

 

[Genie+]

So this has probably been mentioned but I missed it in all of the skimming through posts - can you pick your time when you pre-book rides with the new system? Has Disney mentioned that? The one thing I didn’t like about genie plus wA having to take the time you were given then modifying it. With FP+ I could pick my times. I’m hoping to be able to do that

Someone answered that you can pick your times, I wanted to add that the windows can overlap by 15 minutes.

With FP+ window booked 9-10am, you could not overlap another FP+ in that window.

With multiLL, if you have a 9-10am slot booked, you could book another at 9:45-10:45am if you wanted.