Pirates of the Caribbean FUTURE enhancements

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I have a question. Now that the imagineers use characters and props from the movie, does that mean they would never put something special in the attraction that is ONLY exclusive for the attraction and not in the movie? What I mean is would they add something to Pirates that is NOT movie related?
 
Disney adds stuff all the time to attractions, and it doesn't always tie into a particular movie. Disneyland added enhancements to both the Haunted Mansion and to the Jungle Cruise in the past few years. WDW added Figment back into JIYI. MAJOR revisions would probably be related to films however. It's how WDI "sells" a project and achieves funding. The subs, for example, would have never been re-done at DL without the Nemo tie in.
 
It’s a policy that goes way, way back (even all the way to The Dead Guy). It used to be called “plussing”. The idea is simple – any show is going to get old if you see it over and over and over again. So to keep rides interesting, Disneyland would go through and add new show elements or scenes to the attractions. They were never announced or advertised; it was just something that was done during a ride’s annual rehab.

The last “plussing” of Disneyland’s ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’ happened several years ago. Several figures from Epcot’s ‘World of Motion’ were placed in the ride – some just on a corner, other as a major show scene. The best known were a couple of pirates lifting a treasure chest up the waterfall exit – further up the water fall you saw that they had turned into skeletons. It added a nice beat that helped round out the story.

In the past, WDI usually had final say over the look of any attraction. Usually, a tweak in one park would end up in the other – it was a good way to spread the best ideas. However now that WDI no longer really exists, each park has more control over how much “plussing” gets down.

The large majority of Disneyland’s guests still come from the Southern California area. There are a huge number of annual passholders and even normal people still visit the park once a year or once every two years. “Plussing” and enhancements to existing attractions are vital in keeping coming back time after time. As was mentioned, even after the inclusion of the DVD commercials into ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’, Disneyland also added several new elements to ‘The Haunted Mansion’ just to keep the ride fresh (and better yet, they had nothing to do with Eddie Murphy).

Walt Disney World, however, thinks they have a different guest. In the past, most guests were either first time visitors or hadn’t been in the last five years. The shows and attractions didn’t grow stale as they would for people who see them every year. Therefore, “plussing” was fairly rare and was really done to improve the ride’s show.

But the last decade’s focus at WDW has been to shrink the time between visits. Cheap motel rooms, annual passes and timeshare condos have now built a large block of guests that visit once a year or even more frequently. Normally you would think that this would make WDW act like Disneyland – change the rides to keep the guests interested.

Well, the truth is WDW doesn’t want to spend the money. As witnessed by this year’s cancellation of the ‘Country Bears’ Holiday Show – WDW is pretty well convinced you’re going to show up anyway. As they see it, for over five years now they have been closing attractions and reducing service levels, and everyone still came. If people don’t mind about the cuts, they certainly won’t complain about not getting additions. Every dollar they don’t spend on maintaining or changing a ride is another dollar that be given to ABC.

In direct answer to your question, I would expect to see non-movie changes at Disneyland, but the only changes you’ll see at WDW are those that are paid for the Disney Studio’s home video marketing department. The next round is supposed to happen this spring for ‘Will Turner’ and a ‘Elizabeth Sparrow’ figures to go in somewhere. The next hope is that Jungle Cruise – The Movie is a big hit.
 
Another Voice said:
The next hope is that Jungle Cruise – The Movie is a big hit.

Then my dream of a 300million plus budget Wed Way People Mover shot in 3-D IMAX all digital special effects laden film is next on the list. :banana: :Pinkbounc Just think of the cardboard cutouts that could be put up along the track to go with the movie!!
 

From MOUSEPLANET

Be a part of Pirates
Somehow we had missed this, but as part of the DVD release of Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest you can win having your likeness caricatured as a new pirate inside the ride. Despite some qualms about repeatedly making alterations to existing rides a salable gimmick the prize sounds pretty cool.

You can enter the drawing once per day per person through January 31, 2007 at the Disney Pirates Web site. The grand prize winner will get:

A 3 day/2 night trip for four to Glendale, California where all members of the party 16 or older will receive a tour of Walt Disney Imagineering, the winner will sit with an Imagineer to do the artwork necessary, and the party will have lunch with an Imagineer.

A 3 day/2 night trip for four to Disneyland, including the Pirates of the Caribbean suite at the Disneyland Hotel, use of a VIP tour guide at the park, park hopper tickets, covered meals (including one lunch at Blue Bayou), and a $100 gift card for buying merchandise.

The two trips must be taken at least six weeks apart. The prize value is listed as $20,398 so if you win be sure to share with us all of the details but keep in mind the tax bill you're going to have.

Another upcoming mod to POTC pirate:
 
I agree with AV on this one. WDW really hasn't plussed out their attractions much at all. Even the Pirates additions were far more elaborate at DL. And I guess that I can't blame them. I keep going back, even though the same attractions are the same.....if that makes any sense. I think it's because there is soooooooooo much to do, and WDW is a destination. And DL is a visit. The only ones that are really updated are then marketed. Like TOT when it changes its profile of drops. But as I said, WDW is so huge that each vacation is different because we do different stuff. For example this year we saw the Hoop De Doo review for the first time, even though we have made annual trips for 10 years, and I am told that the show has never changed. I DO think that they have to go after the aging attractions that really need attention. For example, please fix the speakers in the HM cars. I didn't even ride it this year because the last time was so disappointing. Spend that money Disney.
 
DisneyFanGuy said:
I agree with AV on this one. WDW really hasn't plussed out their attractions much at all.

I agree also, but there is evidence things are changing. Rumors abound about major rehabs to HM, Space Mountain, JC, GMR, and there will certainly be one to El Rio Del Tiempo. And I also hear that TT is going to get either an additional theater or a much larger one. In fact, most of what you hear as rumors have switched from additions to rehabs. Let's see what happens

They just overhauled the Seas and changed out Tarzan for a totally original ride, beside all the re-do going on Downtown.
 
dbm20th said:
I agree also, but there is evidence things are changing. Rumors abound about major rehabs to HM, Space Mountain, JC, GMR, and there will certainly be one to El Rio Del Tiempo. And I also hear that TT is going to get either an additional theater or a much larger one. In fact, most of what you hear as rumors have switched from additions to rehabs. Let's see what happens

They just overhauled the Seas and changed out Tarzan for a totally original ride, beside all the re-do going on Downtown.

whats tt ??
 
If you've never been to Disneyland during the fall, you must make a trip just to see what they do to the HM. They redo the ride as Nightmare Before Xmas and it is amazing. As far as I know, they only do it at DL, not at WDW. It makes it a totally different ride and if you are a fan of Jack Skellington and crew then it is a real treat.
 
Another Voice said:
It’s a policy that goes way, way back (even all the way to The Dead Guy). It used to be called “plussing”. The idea is simple – any show is going to get old if you see it over and over and over again. So to keep rides interesting, Disneyland would go through and add new show elements or scenes to the attractions. They were never announced or advertised; it was just something that was done during a ride’s annual rehab.

The last “plussing” of Disneyland’s ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’ happened several years ago. Several figures from Epcot’s ‘World of Motion’ were placed in the ride – some just on a corner, other as a major show scene. The best known were a couple of pirates lifting a treasure chest up the waterfall exit – further up the water fall you saw that they had turned into skeletons. It added a nice beat that helped round out the story.

In the past, WDI usually had final say over the look of any attraction. Usually, a tweak in one park would end up in the other – it was a good way to spread the best ideas. However now that WDI no longer really exists, each park has more control over how much “plussing” gets down.

The large majority of Disneyland’s guests still come from the Southern California area. There are a huge number of annual passholders and even normal people still visit the park once a year or once every two years. “Plussing” and enhancements to existing attractions are vital in keeping coming back time after time. As was mentioned, even after the inclusion of the DVD commercials into ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’, Disneyland also added several new elements to ‘The Haunted Mansion’ just to keep the ride fresh (and better yet, they had nothing to do with Eddie Murphy).

Walt Disney World, however, thinks they have a different guest. In the past, most guests were either first time visitors or hadn’t been in the last five years. The shows and attractions didn’t grow stale as they would for people who see them every year. Therefore, “plussing” was fairly rare and was really done to improve the ride’s show.

But the last decade’s focus at WDW has been to shrink the time between visits. Cheap motel rooms, annual passes and timeshare condos have now built a large block of guests that visit once a year or even more frequently. Normally you would think that this would make WDW act like Disneyland – change the rides to keep the guests interested.

Well, the truth is WDW doesn’t want to spend the money. As witnessed by this year’s cancellation of the ‘Country Bears’ Holiday Show – WDW is pretty well convinced you’re going to show up anyway. As they see it, for over five years now they have been closing attractions and reducing service levels, and everyone still came. If people don’t mind about the cuts, they certainly won’t complain about not getting additions. Every dollar they don’t spend on maintaining or changing a ride is another dollar that be given to ABC.

In direct answer to your question, I would expect to see non-movie changes at Disneyland, but the only changes you’ll see at WDW are those that are paid for the Disney Studio’s home video marketing department. The next round is supposed to happen this spring for ‘Will Turner’ and a ‘Elizabeth Sparrow’ figures to go in somewhere. The next hope is that Jungle Cruise – The Movie is a big hit.
Elizabeth Sparrow?!Wha?1! :scared1: :confused: :crazy2: :eek:
 
I don't care how much popularity the movie gained, that, in my view, doesn't, ands shouldn't, lead to a classic and original ride being changed. The movie is only set to last three to four installments. How long do you wager the lust for the movie will last? A few months after the last movie. Kind of like with "Lord of the Rings". Three years ago, it ended. Three years ago, the fandom faded out, as expected. But with the ride, it's always there, unlike movies that come and go. This generation may like the movie, but is that enough to change an entire ride? I think not. I think it's disgusting what has been done to "Pirates", both in the World and the Land. They're fighting fire with fire, here. The like of the movie will fade, and like with "Journey into Your Imagination", the question of, "What the fook were we/they thinking?" will arise, and, by then, it will be far too late.
 
Ariel Mae said:
I don't care how much popularity the movie gained, that, in my view, doesn't, ands shouldn't, lead to a classic and original ride being changed. The movie is only set to last three to four installments. How long do you wager the lust for the movie will last? A few months after the last movie. Kind of like with "Lord of the Rings". Three years ago, it ended. Three years ago, the fandom faded out, as expected. But with the ride, it's always there, unlike movies that come and go. This generation may like the movie, but is that enough to change an entire ride? I think not. I think it's disgusting what has been done to "Pirates", both in the World and the Land. They're fighting fire with fire, here. The like of the movie will fade, and like with "Journey into Your Imagination", the question of, "What the fook were we/they thinking?" will arise, and, by then, it will be far too late.

You make good points, but I don't agree. Due to the unbelievable popularity of the films, the term "Pirates of the Caribbean" has change in the collective conscience. As hard as that may be for fans of the ride, it is what it is. Film's are as "forever" as a ride. Just as one can ride a ride over and over, one can also view a film. But the great thing about a Disney ride is it can be viewed as a living and breathing thing. As Pirates changes, so to can the ride. Films fade in hype, but everything does. That doesn't mean they are no longer pertinent. If WDW builds a ride next year based on say...The Lion King or Robin Hood, have they missed the boat?
 
I agree also, but there is evidence things are changing. Rumors abound about major rehabs to HM, Space Mountain, JC, GMR, and there will certainly be one to El Rio Del Tiempo. And I also hear that TT is going to get either an additional theater or a much larger one. In fact, most of what you hear as rumors have switched from additions to rehabs. Let's see what happens

They just overhauled the Seas and changed out Tarzan for a totally original ride, beside all the re-do going on Downtown.

Yes, let's see what happens. Many of these rumors of "plussing" have been around for years. For example, there were supposed to be major upgrades for 5 of the classics before the 50th, and none happened. More often than not, they fall by the wayside.

It seems the only real chance they have is if they can tout "synergistic opportunities".

The Living Seas needed updating for years, but in the end only got it because they could cross-sell Nemo plush.

Alien Encounter had been generating complaints since it opened. But nobody listened until they could tie a re-do to Stitch plush.

Tiki Room? Iago and Zasu.

Rio del Tiempo? Rumored to be Donald Duck and the Three Cabs.

The DL Subs? Nemo.

The Turtle Talk rumor isn't really a "plussing" rumor. Its primarily a capacity improvement.

So, yes, lets see what happens. You'll forgive me if I remain in "show me" mode on the point though, at least until some significant plussing of attractions happens that isn't tied to a cross-sell opportunity.
 
dbm20th said:
Due to the unbelievable popularity of the films, the term "Pirates of the Caribbean" has change in the collective conscience. As hard as that may be for fans of the ride, it is what it is. Film's are as "forever" as a ride.

I think you're underestimating the impact of the ride. PotC is a nearly 40 year old ride that became the benchmark for theme park attractions anywhere. It's place in pop culture is that of an icon.

The movies, while certainly very popular, have a ways to go before they approach that kind of status. Certainly there are movies that do that, but they are very rare. I can agree though that yes, the movies have changed the way many people view the term "PotC".

But the point of contention was with regard to altering attractions based on movies that are released, such as what happened with PotC, what probably would have happened with HM had the Eddie Murphy movie been successful, molding The Living Seas into a Nemo-based pavilion, etc.

I agree that if its a solid, quality movie with lasting appeal, incorporating it into an attraction isn't necessarily a problem. On that count, I think both Nemo and PotC qualify. Time will tell of course with regard to the lasting appeal of the films, so I could be wrong, but for now we'll assume they will hold up fine.

The problem I have is the way these things take place. The imagineers (what's left of them) have gotten into the mindset that they need to include the movie tie-ins for projects to have any chance of moving forward. In some cases, marketing is even driving the changes in the first place (as with the rumored TSI changes at DL).

There's just no way you are going to get the best results with that kind of creative environment. That's not to say they won't produce anything some people will like, but that's not exactly the standard that was used to build the company that has brought us all into discussions like this.



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raidermatt said:
I think you're underestimating the impact of the ride. PotC is a nearly 40 year old ride that became the benchmark for theme park attractions anywhere. It's place in pop culture is that of an icon.

Today, for better or worse, I think more people know the movie than the ride.
 
MJMcBride said:
Today, for better or worse, I think more people know the movie than the ride.

This is a hard thing to prove given how ubiquitous PotC was as a pop culture reference previously.

The point in either case would be that in 10 years, PotC the ride will still be a pop culture icon. The movies....eh.
 
MJMcBride said:
Today, for better or worse, I think more people know the movie than the ride.

Now if I can only get my movie greenlit ...

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We might be able to say the same thing about another great Disney movie. I can just hear Goofy now " Grooosshhh Mickey I'm tired of all these MF'N Snakes on this MF'N Wed Way People Mover!!!
 
YoHo said:
This is a hard thing to prove given how ubiquitous PotC was as a pop culture reference previously.

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Its hard to prove either but thats what I think. I think its also difficult for us to know being disney fans for years, but there's a large portion of the populace who have neither been to the parks or know that much about them. I agree that 10 years from now the ride will still be there, but I think so will the movie. 50 years from now may be a different story
 


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