Pirates kill Texas man? What do you think?

[anniemae]

EMOM-One thing I don't understand is how the Mexican people come over to hte U.S. to live. You state that your town has been flooded by people fleeing Mexico. Are they here illegally? If so, how do they get a mortgage, or a job, or a lease if they are undocumented? I thought it was a really long difficult process to come here legally, and that we only issue very few visas per year.

I am not doubting you at all, I am just confused!

 

[marlynnp]

EMOM-One thing I don't understand is how the Mexican people come over to hte U.S. to live. You state that your town has been flooded by people fleeing Mexico. Are they here illegally? If so, how do they get a mortgage, or a job, or a lease if they are undocumented? I thought it was a really long difficult process to come here legally, and that we only issue very few visas per year.

I am not doubting you at all, I am just confused!

There are plenty of people willing to hire illegal workers.
They don't get mortgages or leases - they don't need them. There are people out there willing to 'rent' to them and they meet up with others already here so they know where to go.

I took receivership of an apartment complex years ago.
The slumlord owner would walk through the place once a month and collect $100 from each person living there. Often 6 - 8 people in each one bedroom apartment.

One enterprising guy had a small mattress stuffed in a closet and a hook and eye in the inside so he had his own bedroom. Most of the stoves didn't work. The place was a dump (I'm being family-friendly).

We ended up calling INS. They came with a bus.

 

[zalansky]

I am starting to believe her too. Thanks to everyone for the links and posts!!

 

[dodukes]

It's really amazing the things I have read here that are happneing right here and we never hear about. I had no idea there was this much happening on our border and border towns.

 

[Darcy03231]

The problem with this is that its all possible for the to "get you" on the way there or back.

True, but its about the safest way if you're determined to travel to Mexico.

 

[Rora]

It's really amazing the things I have read here that are happneing right here and we never hear about. I had no idea there was this much happening on our border and border towns.

Tell me about it. So much goes unreported. That's really scary.

 

[dodukes]

True, but its about the safest way if you're determined to travel to Mexico.

Thanks I think I'll pass

 

[brerrabbit]

EMOM-One thing I don't understand is how the Mexican people come over to hte U.S. to live. You state that your town has been flooded by people fleeing Mexico. Are they here illegally? If so, how do they get a mortgage, or a job, or a lease if they are undocumented? I thought it was a really long difficult process to come here legally, and that we only issue very few visas per year.

I am not doubting you at all, I am just confused!

I live in the Houston area and over the years have spent a lot of time in South Texas hunting and fishing. The ease with which illegals get across the border is quite surprising. I also find it interesting that if you don't live in a border state or ever visit the area that people have no idea of the situation. We have thousands of undocumented workers in Texas. The reality of the situation is this, the vast majority of them are hard working people looking for a better life willing to do jobs that no American citizen would do. Don't get me wrong I am a strong supporter of protecting our borders and stopping the flow, but the reality is if tomorrow by magic we were able to send all illeagals home and not allow their re entry we would see the prices of everything we buy go up considerably. House builders, road builders, manufacturing, food service, etc use them quite frequently here. At a Home Depot I pass to and from work every day there are 50 to 100 Mexican men standing between the parking lot and the road looking for work. And if you sit there long enough you will see a lot of them picked up for jobs, paid cash by the day and typically provide lunch. They work hard and until the boss tells them to stop. Interestingly enough you can even find workers with specialties, welders, carpenters, plumbers, etc. And you can get them for $8-$9 an hour cash paid daily with no benifits, and no reporting to any one.

They typically live in very cheap housing that most Americans would never set foot in, but again it's better and in a better place than where they come from so they accept it.

If anyone ever makes it to Houston and wants to see what is really going on, I would be happy to give you a tour.

 

[dodukes]

Tell me about it. So much goes unreported. That's really scary.

I found especially scary in reading the article posted that bullets just fly accross the border. How scary to live near there

 

[Simba's Mom]

It's really amazing the things I have read here that are happneing right here and we never hear about. I had no idea there was this much happening on our border and border towns.

That's cuz they kill people who report it. DS lives in Laredo, works for the city, and they asked him once for a quote for the newspaper regarding the violence. His response? "Are you crazy? Are you trying to get me killed? I've got nothing to say!" Yes, the drug cartels kill people who report on the violence. "I see nothing, I know nothing" is the way to go.
brerrabbitt, you should stop by next time you're down this way-don't meet too many other DISers in our area (around here, 6 hours away, is "our neighborhood", isn't it?)

 

[krcit]

EMOM-One thing I don't understand is how the Mexican people come over to hte U.S. to live. You state that your town has been flooded by people fleeing Mexico. Are they here illegally? If so, how do they get a mortgage, or a job, or a lease if they are undocumented? I thought it was a really long difficult process to come here legally, and that we only issue very few visas per year.

I am not doubting you at all, I am just confused!

I live in NY and we have tons of illegals so I cannot even imagine how many Texas and California have



I can only speak for myself as to why I was suspicious of her story. It just seemed so unbelievable b/c I have no knowlege of all the horrors that are occuring on the borders. This thread has been a real eye-opener It's very scary and I really feel for those of you who have to deal with this on a daily basis.

 

[brerrabbit]

That's cuz they kill people who report it. DS lives in Laredo, works for the city, and they asked him once for a quote for the newspaper regarding the violence. His response? "Are you crazy? Are you trying to get me killed? I've got nothing to say!" Yes, the drug cartels kill people who report on the violence. "I see nothing, I know nothing" is the way to go.
brerrabbitt, you should stop by next time you're down this way-don't meet too many other DISers in our area (around here, 6 hours away, is "our neighborhood", isn't it?)

I don't get down there as much anymore, but I do have a cousin by marraige that was the Sheirff of the county Larado is in. I don't even know if he still is or not. He was married to a cousin in Victoria and he went to Larado. His name is Dwayne Jernigan. He was a retired customs official when he became sheriff.

And yeah, six hours is not much of a trip. Our church has a mission project in Los Carbonaris which is about 75 miles south of Brownsville on the coast. We had a group go down there in August but it was dicey going across the border. Once past the border it's not as bad but still we have stopped anymore trips till things improve.

We seem to get more coverage of the problems on the border and just across it here but even then I am sure we don't hear about half as much as ya'll do.

Stay Safe.

 

[dodukes]

That's cuz they kill people who report it. DS lives in Laredo, works for the city, and they asked him once for a quote for the newspaper regarding the violence. His response? "Are you crazy? Are you trying to get me killed? I've got nothing to say!" Yes, the drug cartels kill people who report on the violence. "I see nothing, I know nothing" is the way to go.
brerrabbitt, you should stop by next time you're down this way-don't meet too many other DISers in our area (around here, 6 hours away, is "our neighborhood", isn't it?)

Thats all I have to say about that. I want to say are you serious, but I know you are!!!

I live in NY and we have tons of illegals so I cannot even imagine how many Texas and California have



I can only speak for myself as to why I was suspicious of her story. It just seemed so unbelievable b/c I have no knowlege of all the horrors that are occuring on the borders. This thread has been a real eye-opener It's very scary and I really feel for those of you who have to deal with this on a daily basis.

ITA: This has been a huge eye opener altho regarding what was said above, I'd rather stay deaf, blind and dumb and keep myself alive.

 

[Darcy03231]

Thanks I think I'll pass

You and me both! But since someone asked, if I had to go that would be the only way I'd do it.

When we have friends who live in Mexico who have told us not to come, its too dangerous, to me that says not safe and we'll travel to other places.

 

[LisaNJ25]

EMOM-One thing I don't understand is how the Mexican people come over to hte U.S. to live. You state that your town has been flooded by people fleeing Mexico. Are they here illegally? If so, how do they get a mortgage, or a job, or a lease if they are undocumented? I thought it was a really long difficult process to come here legally, and that we only issue very few visas per year.

I am not doubting you at all, I am just confused!

Getting false papers is not as hard as you would think. Also along with the false papers they can get a mortgage.

Those that don't "stack" My neighbor shares 1 bedroom with her husband and 3 kids and rents out the rooms and basements to others.

 

[m&m's mom]

I remember about 5 years ago I went to visit a client in El Paso. We drove across the border for lunch in Juarez like we were just driving across the street.
While we were at lunch I saw a school across the street. It was noon and hundreds of kids were leaving and hundreds more lined up to go in. I asked my clients what they were waiting for and she said they could not afford to go to school all day so at noon one group left school and another started school. This was Elementary school and up. I thought at the time how are they ever going to get out of poverty without a good education?
That same school was on the news a couple of years ago cause those kids went to schoool in the morning and mounted on the school fence were over 10 decapitated heads. I bet almost all those kids are not attending school at all now.

 

[EMom]

EMOM-One thing I don't understand is how the Mexican people come over to hte U.S. to live. You state that your town has been flooded by people fleeing Mexico. Are they here illegally? If so, how do they get a mortgage, or a job, or a lease if they are undocumented? I thought it was a really long difficult process to come here legally, and that we only issue very few visas per year.

I am not doubting you at all, I am just confused!

The ones I'm talkiing about have no problem plopping down $250,000-$800,000 CASH MONEY for a house. Do you know what kind of house that will buy you in Texas? They are essentially buying a vacation home in Texas. No one gives a rat's hiney where you're from when you're paying CASH for a house. As far as leasing, the leasing agents are happy to lease to them in this market. Very often, they pay a few to several months' rent ahead of time and the agent loves that.

As for jobs, they don't get jobs. Their money comes from Mexico. The dad flies down as often as needed to conduct business. Wife and kids stay here. Keep in mind, I am talking about the wealthy Mexicans, not the illegal aliens we used to see. Two different groups of people, two different sets of rules.

As far as being illegal, I don't know that they are. There used to be something called the million dollar visa, which I think has been downgraded to the $100,000 visa. Something about investing $X in a US business and you get a visa. Many are doing that. But the vast majority are coming here on tourist visas, staying as long as that allows, returning to Mexico to get a new tourist visa, coming back to the US, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. Sure, sometimes the kids have to go AWOL from school for a while so that they can return to Mexico to get a new tourist visa, but so what???? Money talks. No one bats an eye at a wealthy Mexican wanting multiple tourist Visas to the US.

 

[EMom]

Oh....Here's a good one....

A friend of mine lives in a neighborhood where I'd say the homes are in the $600,000-ish range. Probably 4,000+ square feet. Big lots for a subdivison. She was moaning about her neighbors from Mexico because...

They bought a home (as it was being built) which had 2 bedrooms downstairs (master and 1 other) and 4 bedrooms upstairs. So a 6 bedroom house, which is nothing to sneeze at. They paid the builder to make every bedroom except the master bedroom into TWO bedrooms. That's right. Every bedroom, save the master was cut in two and so the bedroom count went from 6 to ELEVEN!!!! Even in a house that size, I promise you, the ORIGINAL bedrooms weren't huge. I cannot grasp how tiny they are cut in half. Can you imagine the number of cars and people at that house????

I asked how many kids they had. She said the extra rooms weren't just for the kids. They had brought their servants with them and they lived there. Yard guy, maid, cook, nanny, others. It's illegal where we live to have more than one family in a house and I told her she could report them, but she's scared to. Once they move out, that house will never sell without walls coming down. But when you pay cash, the builder will do whatever you want.

 

[rie'smom]

Oh....Here's a good one....

A friend of mine lives in a neighborhood where I'd say the homes are in the $600,000-ish range. Probably 4,000+ square feet. Big lots for a subdivison. She was moaning about her neighbors from Mexico because...

They bought a home (as it was being built) which had 2 bedrooms downstairs (master and 1 other) and 4 bedrooms upstairs. So a 6 bedroom house, which is nothing to sneeze at. They paid the builder to make every bedroom except the master bedroom into TWO bedrooms. That's right. Every bedroom, save the master was cut in two and so the bedroom count went from 6 to ELEVEN!!!! Even in a house that size, I promise you, the ORIGINAL bedrooms weren't huge. I cannot grasp how tiny they are cut in half. Can you imagine the number of cars and people at that house????

I asked how many kids they had. She said the extra rooms weren't just for the kids. They had brought their servants with them and they lived there. Yard guy, maid, cook, nanny, others. It's illegal where we live to have more than one family in a house and I told her she could report them, but she's scared to. Once they move out, that house will never sell without walls coming down. But when you pay cash, the builder will do whatever you want.

She could report them anonymously.

 

[dodukes]

The ones I'm talkiing about have no problem plopping down $250,000-$800,000 CASH MONEY for a house. Do you know what kind of house that will buy you in Texas? They are essentially buying a vacation home in Texas. No one gives a rat's hiney where you're from when you're paying CASH for a house. As far as leasing, the leasing agents are happy to lease to them in this market. Very often, they pay a few to several months' rent ahead of time and the agent loves that.

As for jobs, they don't get jobs. Their money comes from Mexico. The dad flies down as often as needed to conduct business. Wife and kids stay here. Keep in mind, I am talking about the wealthy Mexicans, not the illegal aliens we used to see. Two different groups of people, two different sets of rules.

As far as being illegal, I don't know that they are. There used to be something called the million dollar visa, which I think has been downgraded to the $100,000 visa. Something about investing $X in a US business and you get a visa. Many are doing that. But the vast majority are coming here on tourist visas, staying as long as that allows, returning to Mexico to get a new tourist visa, coming back to the US, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. Sure, sometimes the kids have to go AWOL from school for a while so that they can return to Mexico to get a new tourist visa, but so what???? Money talks. No one bats an eye at a wealthy Mexican wanting multiple tourist Visas to the US.

Just because they are wealthy doesn't mean they are legal, they could be illegal wealthy?

I thought you had to wait a while before coming back on visa?? But i guess if you are wealthy and its the mexican govt giving these out, money talks. That just seems so odd to me that these people are allowed to do that. Wouldnt surprise me if they were higher ups in the cartels and such, surely some must live here in the US no?