Pirates kill Texas man? What do you think?

And apparently they will not let US law enforcement on their side to search either. That to me is suspicious. She was found by someone on the Texas side as she came ashore. They described her as in shock. I can understand some scepticism but I am not willing to make her a suspect at this time. When the Mexican government opens the entire Mexican side of the lake to US law enforcement and a complete search is done, maybe, but not now.

The crime didn't happen on US soil and therefore the US has (and should have) NO jurisdiction. If someone from Mexico were murdered here I can't imagine the Federales would be allowed over to investigate (though I do believe the US law enforcement would do a better job of investigating).
 
I watched the GMA interview. I noticed that she kept fidgeting with the earpiece or something in/with her ear. It was odd.

Some people have odd mannerisms. Most people aren't used to television. I wouldn't take someone's mannerisms as a sign of guilt. Why won't Mexico allow a search.
 
Some people have odd mannerisms. Most people aren't used to television. I wouldn't take someone's mannerisms as a sign of guilt. Why won't Mexico allow a search.

There was just something weird about the way she acted Dawn. Maybe she's just weird in general- but the way her eyes darted about reminded me of Susan Smith's lack of eye contact. :confused3

I hope they find the husband, for everyone's sake.
 
It tooke me a while to hit a target at a couple hundred meters , as i heard the story i pictured the man hauling *** on a jet ski bouncing up and down on the water, for someone to actually get a head shot , with no scope , and on also a moving vessel, i don't know about that :confused3 also if i was involved in this and the love of my life was just shot and missing, i wouldn't appear on the today show, i would be camped out on falcon lake raising hell, pirate:
 

also she said " his body flew forward off the jet ski., if he was traveling to get away as fast as she said they were there is no way for him to get shot from behind and fly ahead of a jet ski traveling that fast .. maybe fall off to the side but she insist he flew forward.... no way he would have had to be hit with an rpg
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The crime didn't happen on US soil and therefore the US has (and should have) NO jurisdiction. If someone from Mexico were murdered here I can't imagine the Federales would be allowed over to investigate (though I do believe the US law enforcement would do a better job of investigating).

No one is saying that we should have "jurisdiction". There should be a spirit of cooperation between the two countries considering the circumstances. I wouldn't discount that the Federales would potentially be invited to accompany US law enforcement if a formal request was made.
 
No one is saying that we should have "jurisdiction". There should be a spirit of cooperation between the two countries considering the circumstances. I wouldn't discount that the Federales would potentially be invited to accompany US law enforcement if a formal request was made.

Certainly not excusing the gov't of Mexico, but someone mentioned upthread that the gov't may be paid off by the cartels, so there alone may be a reason for the lack of an invite to US law enforcement.
 
also she said " his body flew forward off the jet ski., if he was traveling to get away as fast as she said they were there is no way for him to get shot from behind and fly ahead of a jet ski traveling that fast .. maybe fall off to the side but she insist he flew forward.... no way he would have had to be hit with an rpg
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Why not? When you let go of the throttle which is on the handle, the jet ski stops but your body is still propelled forward. It makes sense that he would fly over the front of the ski.
 
It tooke me a while to hit a target at a couple hundred meters , as i heard the story i pictured the man hauling *** on a jet ski bouncing up and down on the water, for someone to actually get a head shot , with no scope , and on also a moving vessel, i don't know about that :confused3 also if i was involved in this and the love of my life was just shot and missing, i wouldn't appear on the today show, i would be camped out on falcon lake raising hell, pirate:

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Apparently Mexico DID invite the U.S. over to help in the search but the U.S. declined saying it was just too dangerous to enter the Mexican waters and they were afraid of a gun fight and wanted to avoid an "international incident." THis was on the interview this morning on the Today show. They were talking to the police chief of the town in Texas (can't remember the name of the town). Unless I misunderstood the interview that is what was said.
 
Why not? When you let go of the throttle which is on the handle, the jet ski stops but your body is still propelled forward. It makes sense that he would fly over the front of the ski.

Jet skis don't have brakes. If you let go of the handle at speed, it wouldn't stop, it would slow down and the guy would have fallen off the side or back.

Also, she told investigators he was shot in the back of the head, but during her interview she said she turned him over in the water and he'd been shot in the front of his head. Of course, maybe she saw an exit wound??
 
Post #47 has a link to the story from this morning. At about the 9:35 point is where Meredith asks about the U.S. assisting in the search.
 
Oh boy...did you all see the piece on the Today Show this morning? Meredith point blank asked the wife if she had anything to do with her husbands murder and the wife stammered and could barely get an answer out. I don't think she is on anti-anxiety pills either. If she were on meds, I would hope she would have someone advising her not to appear on live TV. She is far too composed in this piece for a woman who just lost her husband in such a horrific manner! Here you go:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/39533190#39533190

This is my first time to this thread today.
After seeing this interview, I feel a little bit differently about her story today.
I am more willing to believe her now and wait on authorities to investigate.
 
Originally the wife had a big oress conference scheduled (day before yesterday) but cancelled it claiming "fear of retribution by the pirates". Then she goes on the media tour yesterday and again today. Strange.
 
Certainly not excusing the gov't of Mexico, but someone mentioned upthread that the gov't may be paid off by the cartels, so there alone may be a reason for the lack of an invite to US law enforcement.

That would be my first thought considering the number of Mexican mayors and law enforcement officers who have been murdered for trying to enforce the law.
 
Does anyone else think the husband is still alive and both of them are pulling an insurance scam? Its fairly easy.

I guess it's possible, but I don't think so.

If we're all going to take a guess, my guess is that yes, the husband was murdered, and I don't know if the wife did it (but I don't think so) . I don't think that they just happened to be Jet Skiing along the boarder, but may be involved in drug running themselves and something went wrong, which is why he was killed.
I try not to judge people who are grieving because I understand people grieve differently. I guess I can understand why they're going on TV, because the more exposure, the more something will be done to help.
As I explained earlier, I have a very hard time with how could they shoot him while he's driving on a jet ski, yet they were unable to shoot her. And why would she stop and try to get him on her jet ski, if she was being chased by 3 boats??? It just seems, physically, its hard to believe it went down the way she described it, and the only reason to lie about it, is if she was involved somehow.
 
also she said " his body flew forward off the jet ski., if he was traveling to get away as fast as she said they were there is no way for him to get shot from behind and fly ahead of a jet ski traveling that fast .. maybe fall off to the side but she insist he flew forward.... no way he would have had to be hit with an rpg
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That's what I thought too. :confused3

The thing that bothers me the most is that she said that the gun was to her head at one point. She couldn't understand what they were saying and then they left. Then did she say that she was chased back? Why wouldn't they have killed or taken her when they could have? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
They did an interview with an "eyewitness" that says he saw three boats chasing her jet ski.


He did not want to appear on camera and would not give his name. His story sounded weird. He said he was out in the backyard of a house on the lake. He said he was out watering plants. Yet she said the assault happened on the Mexican side, miles away. He seemed to be faking an accent because at times he sounded hispanic. In fact the interviewer commented on this.

It sounds like a planned murder, maybe her boyfriend was the "witness".

I did hear the call/interview of the witness and I have to say he sounds like thousands of other Hispanic Texans. I didn't notice anything odd about the accent. In fact, he sounded suspiciously like my neighbor 2 houses down. :rotfl: That neighbor was born and mostly raised in Mexico, but spent about half his childhoood in the US with relatives and has lived in the US since adulthood, even being in the US Army. There are various accents and that's just one of them. As for not not wanting his face shown.....No one in his right mind would want his face shown or his ID given if he believes this story to be true. He might as well go ahead and pre-plan his funeral and pay up the life insurance policy.

Still haven't had time to assess the wife. Sorry, but I'm busy planning a party. :banana: But let me make it clear that it would be in the best interest of Mexican law enforcement to NEVER identify any shooters or even find a body. They do not want an international incident. It's bad enough that the body count from the drug cartels on the Mexican side of the border is staggering, but most Americans don't really hear about it and aren't that upset about it. (Just those of us on the border who are scared because we hear about it all the time.) But this incident, if true, would bring all sorts of unwanted attention to the fact that Mexico is helpless against the cartels. It would be an embarrassment all the way up to the Mexican president's office. And that's just the PR angle.

There's a good chance at least some of local law enforcement are on the paytroll of the cartels. Good heavens, at the end of August 1/10 of Mexico's FEDERAL police force was fired for "not doing their work or for corruption." Translation: Tied to cartels. Can you imagine if 1/10 of our federal agents were fired in one day for corruption? And if Mexican law enforcement isn't being paid off, they still don't want to point the finger at the cartels because the finger that points back will probably be holding an AK47. Police are regularly murdered down there, and not in the line of duty. BTW, "kidnapping" doesn't work the way we tend to think of it. If someone is actually taken, the chances of ever seeing them alive are slim and none....closer to none.

I did catch the US side local police chief. (?) He essentially said that there was no way they were going to take their lives in their hands and cross over the border to investigate this. It was too dangerous and he feared a gun battle. No duh. Smart guy.

All I am trying to say to those who cannot fathom why a police force would cast doubt on someone's story unless they truly doubted that story is.......Because they prefer to stay alive another day. If they weigh their own lives and that of their wives, children, parents, etc. against that of an American tourist, it's not hard to see why it would be in their best interest to make the wife look less than credible.

If the wife did do in her DH, then she may be one smart cookie because she has a better grasp of the politics than most. The Mexicans will cast doubt and never search in earnest (or at least delay as long as possible) for fear of actually finding evidence a cartel was responsible. If that happened, they'd be in a real bind. The US government will never call the Mexicans on it because goodness knows we can't offend them. The US can't really send our own people to investigate because it's MEXICO and even if we could, they don't want to go because the risk of death is too dang high. Basically, too many people who have power and matter just want this story to GO AWAY. By any means necessary.
 
I did hear the call/interview of the witness and I have to say he sounds like thousands of other Hispanic Texans. I didn't notice anything odd about the accent. In fact, he sounded suspiciously like my neighbor 2 houses down. :rotfl: That neighbor was born and mostly raised in Mexico, but spent about half his childhoood in the US with relatives and has lived in the US since adulthood, even being in the US Army. There are various accents and that's just one of them. As for not not wanting his face shown.....No one in his right mind would want his face shown or his ID given if he believes this story to be true. He might as well go ahead and pre-plan his funeral and pay up the life insurance policy.

Still haven't had time to assess the wife. Sorry, but I'm busy planning a party. :banana: But let me make it clear that it would be in the best interest of Mexican law enforcement to NEVER identify any shooters or even find a body. They do not want an international incident. It's bad enough that the body count from the drug cartels on the Mexican side of the border is staggering, but most Americans don't really hear about it and aren't that upset about it. (Just those of us on the border who are scared because we hear about it all the time.) But this incident, if true, would bring all sorts of unwanted attention to the fact that Mexico is helpless against the cartels. It would be an embarrassment all the way up to the Mexican president's office. And that's just the PR angle.

There's a good chance at least some of local law enforcement are on the paytroll of the cartels. Good heavens, at the end of August 1/10 of Mexico's FEDERAL police force was fired for "not doing their work or for corruption." Translation: Tied to cartels. Can you imagine if 1/10 of our federal agents were fired in one day for corruption? And if Mexican law enforcement isn't being paid off, they still don't want to point the finger at the cartels because the finger that points back will probably be holding an AK47. Police are regularly murdered down there, and not in the line of duty. BTW, "kidnapping" doesn't work the way we tend to think of it. If someone is actually taken, the chances of ever seeing them alive are slim and none....closer to none.

I did catch the US side local police chief. (?) He essentially said that there was no way they were going to take their lives in their hands and cross over the border to investigate this. It was too dangerous and he feared a gun battle. No duh. Smart guy.

All I am trying to say to those who cannot fathom why a police force would cast doubt on someone's story unless they truly doubted that story is.......Because they prefer to stay alive another day. If they weigh their own lives and that of their wives, children, parents, etc. against that of an American tourist, it's not hard to see why it would be in their best interest to make the wife look less than credible.

If the wife did do in her DH, then she may be one smart cookie because she has a better grasp of the politics than most. The Mexicans will cast doubt and never search in earnest (or at least delay as long as possible) for fear of actually finding evidence a cartel was responsible. If that happened, they'd be in a real bind. The US government will never call the Mexicans on it because goodness knows we can't offend them. The US can't really send our own people to investigate because it's MEXICO and even if we could, they don't want to go because the risk of death is too dang high. Basically, too many people who have power and matter just want this story to GO AWAY. By any means necessary.

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