Pin trades

I'm sure there are many who would disagree with me, but I don't think you should forget about it just because you're not as knowledgeable as others. My kids are trying it on our Dec trip, and even though the pins look ok to me, they very well could be junk. Does that stop the fun for them? No. If someone is willing to trade for it, where's the harm there? It seems to me that so many people are too concerned about the value of each pin traded vs. the value of the one received. For me, the value for my kids is having fun, talking to different people and CMs and going away with happy memories. I don't care how much a pin is worth. I'm not trading to be able to sell them later at a huge profit. It's for the fun, not for the $$$.

Kathy

kathy - I totally agree with you.... I don't care what they are worth, I just want my kids to haev fun and talk to some CMs. But I feel bad about possibly passing along junk without knowing that I am doing so. Because the CM can't turn a kid, right? So the CM HAS to take a junk pin and then might trade it to someone else.... Now, if my DS picks a junk pin off a CM's lanyard we won't know the difference, but serious traders will.

Oh well. He only has about 10 pins to trade. 3 were bought on previous trips straight from park gift shops. I'll just let him have fun with it.
 
Ok I need to nip something in the bud.

This is NOT about the value of the pin. Most of the pins being bootlegged and scrapped (hidden mickeys) aren't worth more than a few dollars anyway and the vast majority of the pins I've traded for aren't even worth retail price. It's about maintaining the integrity of the experience. I hate walking up to a CM and seeing a bunch of misshapen, miscolored, and otherwise poorly made pins. Many times you won't even notice the problem until you've walked away and had a chance to look at it for a second; this happened to me with a Donald Driving hidden Mickey pin - later that night I realized it was missing dots on the hubcaps - and when I realized I'd got a scrapper that was a huge disappointment. Not because it was worth anything, but because finding it had been such a huge joy.

It's very easy to sit back and say "oh my kids just do it for fun". Well a LOT of us do it for fun. Just because we are adults who care about the quality of the pins doesn't mean we're these profiteering vultures. I know it's expensive. I know you want your kids to have a good time. But doing it with illegitimate pins isn't the way to go about it.
 
Ok I need to nip something in the bud.

This is NOT about the value of the pin. Most of the pins being bootlegged and scrapped (hidden mickeys) aren't worth more than a few dollars anyway and the vast majority of the pins I've traded for aren't even worth retail price. It's about maintaining the integrity of the experience. I hate walking up to a CM and seeing a bunch of misshapen, miscolored, and otherwise poorly made pins. Many times you won't even notice the problem until you've walked away and had a chance to look at it for a second; this happened to me with a Donald Driving hidden Mickey pin - later that night I realized it was missing dots on the hubcaps - and when I realized I'd got a scrapper that was a huge disappointment. Not because it was worth anything, but because finding it had been such a huge joy.

It's very easy to sit back and say "oh my kids just do it for fun". Well a LOT of us do it for fun. Just because we are adults who care about the quality of the pins doesn't mean we're these profiteering vultures. I know it's expensive. I know you want your kids to have a good time. But doing it with illegitimate pins isn't the way to go about it.

FigNewton - You stated my dilemma very well. As someone who has no idea whether her kids are trading junk but doesn't want to ruin the experience for the true traders, I thank you for helping me make up my mind on this pin trading issue. I know my kids want to do it, but we are just not knowledgeable enough. To maintain the integrity of the system, we'll leave pin trading to the pin traders. Maybe I can talk my kids into pressed pennies, instead.

Thanks! And - sorry to the OP... I've hijacked this one, I'm afraid!
 

To me personally pin trading is pretty lame. Now that is just my personal opinion. I did talk to a CM while waiting in line and she said Disney provided her with the pins so she really didn’t care what she had. It kinda reminds me of Office Space and all that “Flare.”

I would say let your kids have fun and trade away. This seems like something that could be fun for kids until adults step in and ruin it.
 
Thanks! And - sorry to the OP... I've hijacked this one, I'm afraid!

no problem ;)

I started this thread to find out as much as I could about pin trades, what to do, where to get the pins and everything in between and you have helped me learn more, as have all the other pp!

I'm still just unsure about how to go thru the pins I get from ebay to know which are good and which arn't, if I haven't seen a pin before how will I know about color issues? or is it obvious?
 
sigh. This is the kind of attitude and practice that is ruining pin trading for a lot of people.

Please I implore all who are interested in pin trading to avoid scrapper pins and if you receive some DO NOT trade them at the parks. Remember that when you trade with cast members you are in reality trading with OTHER GUESTS by proxy. If we all put junk pins on the lanyards then all anyone will be able to trade for is junk pins.

Stay away from eBay sellers that offer multiple huge lots of pins for absurdly low prices. You are asking for bootlegs and scrappers. I know pin trading is an expensive hobby, but by utilizing these cheap knock offs everyone gets screwed.

Well said. I know folks want their child to enjoy the experience of trading but please be advised that Disney Pin Trading is NOT a cheap hobby. If your child wants to get involved with Pin Trading be advised that it is an expensive hobby.

Even pins with the Disney logo on the back can be scrappers and many times when you buy the pins for less than $3-4 a pin on Ebay they will be scrappers.

I know some folks think its okay to let their child trade scrappers with a CM but remember that CM's also trade with other children who may get a scrapper in return when they themselves paid for authentic Disney Pins.
 
Wow! Meaning no disrespect to anyone but I think some people take this too serious for me. Not sure where the enjoyment comes from...
 
Well said. I know folks want their child to enjoy the experience of trading but please be advised that Disney Pin Trading is NOT a cheap hobby. If your child wants to get involved with Pin Trading be advised that it is an expensive hobby.

Even pins with the Disney logo on the back can be scrappers and many times when you buy the pins for less than $3-4 a pin on Ebay they will be scrappers.

I know some folks think its okay to let their child trade scrappers with a CM but remember that CM's also trade with other children who may get a scrapper in return when they themselves paid for authentic Disney Pins.
I think for those that are just into pin trading for fun and etc are always best trading for Cast Member lanyards, because it's easier for them compared with regular guests because they can say no and it's their right since they own their pins. However anyone can access pin sites like www.pinpics.com and search any WDW pin to make sure it's authentic. Plus if a lot of people a specific pin they will see that where it says members wanting, so if they see it on a Cast Member lanyard then they know it's good. Finally each editon size of every pin is listed, so they know if only a certin number were made or the pin is an oped edition.
 
Holy Cats there is a lot of pins on that site! I will definatly go there and look thru them once I order pins from ebay to know what is acceptable to take with us and what isn't.
 
Wow! Meaning no disrespect to anyone but I think some people take this too serious for me. Not sure where the enjoyment comes from...

Honestly that's something a lot of us ask ourselves these days. Since scrappers and fakes have become so prevalent the hobby has become much less enjoyable. We still buy new pins that we like, particularly event pins and such, but our trading activity at the parks has gone down considerably.
 
To me personally pin trading is pretty lame. Now that is just my personal opinion. I did talk to a CM while waiting in line and she said Disney provided her with the pins so she really didn’t care what she had. It kinda reminds me of Office Space and all that “Flare.”

I would say let your kids have fun and trade away. This seems like something that could be fun for kids until adults step in and ruin it.

It wasn't created "for kids" but it's clear that you don't get it anyway.

Kids can still have fun trading. There's NOTHING stopping them from doing so, and most pin traders love to see kids having fun with it too.

It's just that using fake pins is bad for the whole pin trading environment.

Just like fake and counterfeit products are bad for ANY hobby, sport, trade, etc etc.
 
Ok, so I've already told my kids they can take the backs off their pins and stick them in their bulletin boards because Mommy is not motivated enough to learn all about this pin trading stuff, but now I am just curious about scrappers...

If they were factory seconds that should have been "scrapped," how did they get out on the gift shop floors to be sold in the first place?
 
So I was reading some posts on the Pin Trading Board and I had no idea about "scrappers". I found out a lot of useful information. Unfortunately, I apparently bought "scrappers" from eBay because the seller was listed as one not to buy from. I'm also upset because I know now that my son was trading authentic pins that I purchased in the parks for what I suspect are really "scrappers". He was really excited to trade for the Hidden Mickey pins. How can you tell before trading with a CM if the pins are "scrappers"?
 
This is going to sound like a dumb question but... what does everyone do with their pins when they are not in Disney? Do you display them somehow?

I bought a set of 3 cork trivets at IKEA for $3 - they each have a cutout that makes them suitable for hanging. They hang above my craft desk. :)
 
So I was reading some posts on the Pin Trading Board and I had no idea about "scrappers". I found out a lot of useful information. Unfortunately, I apparently bought "scrappers" from eBay because the seller was listed as one not to buy from. I'm also upset because I know now that my son was trading authentic pins that I purchased in the parks for what I suspect are really "scrappers". He was really excited to trade for the Hidden Mickey pins. How can you tell before trading with a CM if the pins are "scrappers"?

This is just my opinion but perhaps sometimes there can be such a thing as too much information. Why let something like this sour your experience if you were happy with the pins and the experience before? I can see how serious traders would be upset by the prevalence of fake pins... and it is their responsibility to make sure that they have the knowledge to weed through the pins you find in the Disney parks. But for the average hobby person, there is no need to get upset about things like this.

I took my goddaughter to Disney and got her a lanyard and a set of the fairy pins they have there now, as well as a few special trip pins we bought individually. We did not let her trade the trip pins, but the set was fair game, and she traded and retraded those six pins with CMs at every park, VERY often! We could have had these "scrapper" pins and there could be some on her lanyard right now and I could care less, even though we only bought the pins from the Disney parks (the annual pass discount helped a little with the cost). The experience and fun she had was PRICELESS for her and she is only six, she does not understand about "value" she only knows she wants a Tinkerbell pin or a Mickey head pin. The only thing that worried me a little was when she wore some of my sister's "Give a Day" pins on her lanyard, she did not like those pins and was dying to trade them. I just didn't want them traded away like that, because I love those pins, so I got them back from her and bought her pins that she liked instead.

It was something I thought would be stressful because I would have to somehow learn the value of pins and those that show up on castmember lanyards and then tell a six year old that she can not have the pin she wanted because of such and such a reason she could care less about. But in actuality it was very simple and very fun! Just don't stress out about it and have a good time, and let the serious collectors worry about the authenticity of their own collections.
 
Ok, so I've already told my kids they can take the backs off their pins and stick them in their bulletin boards because Mommy is not motivated enough to learn all about this pin trading stuff, but now I am just curious about scrappers...

If they were factory seconds that should have been "scrapped," how did they get out on the gift shop floors to be sold in the first place?

That's the thing. Scrappers didn't make it out onto the gift ship floors. Scrappers are sold by profiteers in china where the pins are made to "entrepeneurs" in the west in under the table deals. They in turn sell scrappers on eBay to unsuspecting tourists, or tourists who just don't care. Be it employees who are sneaking them out before they are destroyed at the plant or just disreputable manufacturing operations I don't know. But scrappers don't make it onto gift shop shelves at WDW. Anything you buy through official means (at WDW, the Disney Store, etc) are completely legitimate and you should have absolutely no fear about trading those if you like.
 
This is just my opinion but perhaps sometimes there can be such a thing as too much information. Why let something like this sour your experience if you were happy with the pins and the experience before? I can see how serious traders would be upset by the prevalence of fake pins... and it is their responsibility to make sure that they have the knowledge to weed through the pins you find in the Disney parks. But for the average hobby person, there is no need to get upset about things like this.

I took my goddaughter to Disney and got her a lanyard and a set of the fairy pins they have there now, as well as a few special trip pins we bought individually. We did not let her trade the trip pins, but the set was fair game, and she traded and retraded those six pins with CMs at every park, VERY often! We could have had these "scrapper" pins and there could be some on her lanyard right now and I could care less, even though we only bought the pins from the Disney parks (the annual pass discount helped a little with the cost). The experience and fun she had was PRICELESS for her and she is only six, she does not understand about "value" she only knows she wants a Tinkerbell pin or a Mickey head pin. The only thing that worried me a little was when she wore some of my sister's "Give a Day" pins on her lanyard, she did not like those pins and was dying to trade them. I just didn't want them traded away like that, because I love those pins, so I got them back from her and bought her pins that she liked instead.

It was something I thought would be stressful because I would have to somehow learn the value of pins and those that show up on castmember lanyards and then tell a six year old that she can not have the pin she wanted because of such and such a reason she could care less about. But in actuality it was very simple and very fun! Just don't stress out about it and have a good time, and let the serious collectors worry about the authenticity of their own collections.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. My 6 year old trades with the CM's authentic pins she bought with her allowance money. She knows there are scrappers out there and while yes, its priceless to see the face on a child when they trade, you should also see the face on a child who later finds out she traded her authentic disney pin for a scrapper.

This is the only hobby she has and I fully support it. I also have this hobby but I stopped trading years ago and only purchase the ones I want.

I know people want to "downplay" pin trading as just a kid hobby that well if a kid gets a scrapper so be it. But if your child was to get a knock-off toy for Christmas that broke a few minutes after opening you think that would be acceptable? I know the comparison is not necessarily apples to apples but its a very similar concept.

Bottom line - just because pin trading is an available hobby does not mean its a right or guarantee for every person or child to do so knowlingly with scrappers. I understand some folks unknowlingly do buy scrappers and later find out that they did so ~ but many of those folks become educated about scrappers and help to keep the trading pool "clean" for future kids to enjoy.
 
If they were factory seconds that should have been "scrapped," how did they get out on the gift shop floors to be sold in the first place?


They didn't. The pins you buy in the gift shops are authentic pins. The scrappers come from China usually and are not approved by Disney. In some cases, they may look and feel exactly the same. Go check you're pins on pinpics - if it says there are possible scrappers, then it's possible yours will be.

I know we probably traded a few scrappers to CM's that I got from CM's. My kids loved it and the CM's honestly don't know the difference. The one's that it's important to - the collectors, will be able to tell. I haven't checked the pins we came home with (over 100) but I'm sure they're not all real - but they are all still very nice/cute pins and my kids are proud of them.
 
Something all parents should remember is that if their kids can trade off the green lanyards Cast Members wear and it's only for kids up to 12 years old. Now I am not sure if this is true but I would think on those specific lanyards they would not accidently trade for scrappers, because I think the chances are better when trading off the regular blue lanyards where everyone is allowed to trade with the Cast Members.
 

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