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Size comparison between the Sony A7 + Zeiss 16-35 f/4 vs. comparable Canon and Nikon combo. Bottom line, camera and lens significantly smaller with Sony setup.

http://camerasize.com/compact/#488.440,557.325,312.425,ha,t

Saw that.. and my take away was a bit different. First off, it was done with the biggest possible Canon and Nikon bodies. Try changing it to the Canon 6D and Nikon D750 instead...
And suddenly.... The Sony A7 is still smaller. But just a tiny bit smaller.

And then, Canon and Nikon have other ultrawide zooms to choose from.. some of which are smaller. Unfortunately, this clever tool doesn't even let me try the Nikon 18-35, but it does let me use the Canon 17-40 and Nikon 17-35/2.8..

http://j.mp/1tbEXWt

For all the talk about E-mount being so much smaller than traditional dSLR... The differences look pretty minor to me.

And here they each are with their respective 50-55/1.8 prime..

http://j.mp/1tbGcVw

No apparent size advantage to the Sony.

I've said it before --- I think the advantages/disadvantages of Mirrorless/traditional are over-stated by all sides.
 
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Hey Fractal, I just saw that rumor! Why did they just announce the new lenses with OSS if they planned this IBIS?
 
Hey Fractal, I just saw that rumor! Why did they just announce the new lenses with OSS if they planned this IBIS?


That is a great question. I can only speculate that it is another way to integrate current A-mount users, not to mention additional appeal to users of other systems. There is also a large and growing group that uses only manually focusing legacy lenses that this will be a big hit for.

Interesting development. I thought they might go this way about a year ago but recently convinced myself that it would not happen. Of course, it's still only a (strong) rumor so let's make sure it's for real.
 
That is a great question. I can only speculate that it is another way to integrate current A-mount users, not to mention additional appeal to users of other systems. There is also a large and growing group that uses only manually focusing legacy lenses that this will be a big hit for.

Interesting development. I thought they might go this way about a year ago but recently convinced myself that it would not happen. Of course, it's still only a (strong) rumor so let's make sure it's for real.

Smells fishy. And SAR overinflates their rumors.... "SR1 - SR3" are pure fiction... SR4 is a legitimate whisper about a possibility, SR5 is 50/50 of being reality.
 
Smells fishy. And SAR overinflates their rumors.... "SR1 - SR3" are pure fiction... SR4 is a legitimate whisper about a possibility, SR5 is 50/50 of being reality.

Don't be a party-pooper! :) I want to see my Minolta lenses with stabilization.
 
Don't be a party-pooper! :) I want to see my Minolta lenses with stabilization.

Don't get me wrong... This is great, IF TRUE.

Though you realize the camera specs suggest it isn't much smaller than a traditional dSLR.
As the quality of mirrorless cameras improve -- large sensors, premium lenses, etc.... And as traditional dSLRs adapt some of the newer tech... articulating screens, wifi... The lines between mirrorless and traditional really blur.
 
Saw that.. and my take away was a bit different. First off, it was done with the biggest possible Canon and Nikon bodies. Try changing it to the Canon 6D and Nikon D750 instead...
And suddenly.... The Sony A7 is still smaller. But just a tiny bit smaller.

And then, Canon and Nikon have other ultrawide zooms to choose from.. some of which are smaller. Unfortunately, this clever tool doesn't even let me try the Nikon 18-35, but it does let me use the Canon 17-40 and Nikon 17-35/2.8..

http://j.mp/1tbEXWt

For all the talk about E-mount being so much smaller than traditional dSLR... The differences look pretty minor to me.

And here they each are with their respective 50-55/1.8 prime..

http://j.mp/1tbGcVw

No apparent size advantage to the Sony.

I've said it before --- I think the advantages/disadvantages of Mirrorless/traditional are over-stated by all sides.

It's all in how much of a size, weight, and bulk/volume difference a person is looking for, and what each person considers 'significant'. Look at automobiles - most people agree that a Honda Civic is smaller than a Honda Accord - even though the difference side-by-side doesn't look astounding or drastic - sort of like an A7 next to a Canon DSLR. Sure, the Honda Fit is smaller still, and on the larger side, a large SUV like a Suburban is massively bigger. But one need not move from a Suburban to a Fit to feel like they're driving something smaller...there are many steps in between.

When I look at your comparison photos, I still see what I would consider a pretty big difference in overall volume and bulk. Rather than just looking at the top view, look at the front view to see how much shorter the A7 is - and the side view to see how much thinner it is. To my eye, that saves a lot of bulkiness and volume, and makes the camera FEEL much lighter and smaller in the hand. It's the same effect I get with my A6000 compared to an APS-C DSLR - the overall volume, ie: the 'bulk', is so much less for me that the camera just feels lighter, smaller, more maneuverable, and easier to carry. When I'm hiking through the swamps in the summer at 100 degrees, I can guarantee I feel a major difference walking 10 miles with my A6000 compared to my A580...even walking around Disney with a 10mm ultrawide zoom - the A6000 and 10-18 feels significantly lighter and less bulky than my DSLR with 10-24.

I don't think people who point out the weight, size, or bulk advantages of mirrorless are exaggerating or misstating anything - they just find the difference to be more significant to them than you do for yourself. And they're not claiming that no matter what lens is attached, the mirrorless is hugely smaller or lighter than a similar sensored DSLR - sure, stick a 150-600mm lens on both, and the body size difference becomes almost irrelevant - but there are smaller, lighter lens options you can use and make the mirrorless a good bit less bulky and lighter than a DSLR with the same lens, and there are several lenses you could bring along that would fill roughly the same space in a camera bag that the DSLR would with just 1 lens. I have a bag that can fit my DSLR with a 30mm F1.4 lens attached, and nothing else. That very same bag can accommodate my A6000 with 30mm F1.8 attached, PLUS my 10-18mm UWA, PLUS my 55-210mm lens, PLUS my 18-55mm kit lens. Same bag, same space - but fits camera plus 4 lenses instead of camera plus 1 lens. That's where the body volume makes up a very big difference with the mirrorless kit - and my mirrorless is far from the smallest model out there.
 
Im more curious to see what the A9 is all about. New sensor and top of the line AF is just want im looking for. If its in the $3,200 range I can sell my A99 and help fund roughly half of that. The other half ill have to sneak by my wife :rotfl2:
 
Don't get me wrong... This is great, IF TRUE.

Though you realize the camera specs suggest it isn't much smaller than a traditional dSLR.
As the quality of mirrorless cameras improve -- large sensors, premium lenses, etc.... And as traditional dSLRs adapt some of the newer tech... articulating screens, wifi... The lines between mirrorless and traditional really blur.

The one camera I think you can realistically compare this to is the A99 which would be the only other FF with IBIS. I do believe the 5 axis would also be superior to the Steady Shot. If the specs are correct, the A7ii would weigh roughly a quarter less than the A99. Again if true, a comparison of those two would be interesting.
 
I don't think people who point out the weight, size, or bulk advantages of mirrorless are exaggerating or misstating anything - they just find the difference to be more significant to them than you do for yourself. And they're not claiming that no matter what lens is attached, the mirrorless is hugely smaller or lighter than a similar sensored DSLR - sure, stick a 150-600mm lens on both, and the body size difference becomes almost irrelevant - but there are smaller, lighter lens options you can use and make the mirrorless a good bit less bulky and lighter than a DSLR with the same lens, and there are several lenses you could bring along that would fill roughly the same space in a camera bag that the DSLR would with just 1 lens. I have a bag that can fit my DSLR with a 30mm F1.4 lens attached, and nothing else. That very same bag can accommodate my A6000 with 30mm F1.8 attached, PLUS my 10-18mm UWA, PLUS my 55-210mm lens, PLUS my 18-55mm kit lens. Same bag, same space - but fits camera plus 4 lenses instead of camera plus 1 lens. That's where the body volume makes up a very big difference with the mirrorless kit - and my mirrorless is far from the smallest model out there.

Agree - also ( and I think you alluded to this ) with mirrorless you have more flexibility. You can go very small and light ( with some compromises ) or not. Traditional DSLRs can never get as small and light as a mirrorless can get.

Im more curious to see what the A9 is all about. New sensor and top of the line AF is just want im looking for. If its in the $3,200 range I can sell my A99 and help fund roughly half of that. The other half ill have to sneak by my wife :rotfl2:

I will also wait to see how this all shakes out and can relate with your martial issues. :)
 
It's all in how much of a size, weight, and bulk/volume difference a person is looking for, and what each person considers 'significant'. Look at automobiles - most people agree that a Honda Civic is smaller than a Honda Accord - even though the difference side-by-side doesn't look astounding or drastic - sort of like an A7 next to a Canon DSLR. Sure, the Honda Fit is smaller still, and on the larger side, a large SUV like a Suburban is massively bigger. But one need not move from a Suburban to a Fit to feel like they're driving something smaller...there are many steps in between.

When I look at your comparison photos, I still see what I would consider a pretty big difference in overall volume and bulk. Rather than just looking at the top view, look at the front view to see how much shorter the A7 is - and the side view to see how much thinner it is. To my eye, that saves a lot of bulkiness and volume, and makes the camera FEEL much lighter and smaller in the hand. It's the same effect I get with my A6000 compared to an APS-C DSLR - the overall volume, ie: the 'bulk', is so much less for me that the camera just feels lighter, smaller, more maneuverable, and easier to carry. When I'm hiking through the swamps in the summer at 100 degrees, I can guarantee I feel a major difference walking 10 miles with my A6000 compared to my A580...even walking around Disney with a 10mm ultrawide zoom - the A6000 and 10-18 feels significantly lighter and less bulky than my DSLR with 10-24.

I don't think people who point out the weight, size, or bulk advantages of mirrorless are exaggerating or misstating anything - they just find the difference to be more significant to them than you do for yourself. And they're not claiming that no matter what lens is attached, the mirrorless is hugely smaller or lighter than a similar sensored DSLR - sure, stick a 150-600mm lens on both, and the body size difference becomes almost irrelevant - but there are smaller, lighter lens options you can use and make the mirrorless a good bit less bulky and lighter than a DSLR with the same lens, and there are several lenses you could bring along that would fill roughly the same space in a camera bag that the DSLR would with just 1 lens. I have a bag that can fit my DSLR with a 30mm F1.4 lens attached, and nothing else. That very same bag can accommodate my A6000 with 30mm F1.8 attached, PLUS my 10-18mm UWA, PLUS my 55-210mm lens, PLUS my 18-55mm kit lens. Same bag, same space - but fits camera plus 4 lenses instead of camera plus 1 lens. That's where the body volume makes up a very big difference with the mirrorless kit - and my mirrorless is far from the smallest model out there.

I don't disagree with anything you've said. And I 100% agree that mirrorless gives you the potential for a much smaller kit.

But my point was -- when all else is equalled -- sensor size, lens quality/aperture/focal length, etc... The size differences aren't that dramatic.

As you said, put the 150-600 on either camera, the size difference is irrelevant.

At the same time, take a Canon SL1 with a pancake lens, compare it to the a7 with a Zeiss zoom lens...

Size runs an entire spectrum. Overall, mirrorless cameras are certainly on the smaller end of the spectrum and dSLRs are on the higher end. But there is overlap in the middle.

I think some people believe the difference is SUV vs Honda Fit. Using your analogy, overall, I think it's more like Honda Accord vs the 4-door Civic.
 
Im more curious to see what the A9 is all about. New sensor and top of the line AF is just want im looking for. If its in the $3,200 range I can sell my A99 and help fund roughly half of that. The other half ill have to sneak by my wife :rotfl2:

Educated guess --- $2500-$3000. Doubt it would be higher than the original price for the A99.

And in selling your A99.... I'd expect to clear $1100-1300.

And you just cited the exact reasons I switched to the D750. Despite my affection for A-mount, top of the line AF and upgraded sensor.

From my son's birthday party -- Indoor roller coaster, moving really fast, really really bad lighting... So a true test of the auto focus and of ISO 51200. I wouldn't make a big print of this shot, but let's remember it's 51200:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/havoc315/64V140

A slower moving 51200 on the bumper cars:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/havoc315/8jS53i

And just regular ISO 11400:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/havoc315/cM4B03

So yes.... if the A9 can give the 24mp Sony sensor at full potential, with strong AF... It would be a nice upgrade for you over the A99.
 
The one camera I think you can realistically compare this to is the A99 which would be the only other FF with IBIS. I do believe the 5 axis would also be superior to the Steady Shot. If the specs are correct, the A7ii would weigh roughly a quarter less than the A99. Again if true, a comparison of those two would be interesting.

Truthfully... if the rumors are true, then I doubt Sony will ever bother with an A99ii. Once you put fast autofocus and IBIS into the e-mount camera..... What's really the point of the A-mount?

So yes, effectively.. this A9 could basically be the upgrade/replacement for the A99.
 
If my wife really knew how much I spend/spent id be in the dog house for sure with my only camera being my cell phone :lmao:

Mutually assured destruction. If my wife questions how much I spend on photography, I can question how much she spends on her hair and nails.

Though I'm mostly being good right now. In my new kit, I barely spent more than I got for my old gear. Just *slightly* over budget. But I really am trying to resist adding a bit more.....I could easily spend another $2,000 and still want more gear. (I could use an ultra wide zoom.... I wouldn't mind upgrading my 24-85 lens, possibly to the Tamron 24-70/2.8 or the Sigma 24-105/4, I'd like a 100mm macro lens, an 85 prime wouldn't be bad to own for portraits.... and while it's not something I would use regularly, a really long premium zoom, like a 80-400 or the newer 500/600 zooms...).
 
I have to give credit to Sony for trying to redefine the "high-end"/DSLR camera market. "high end" meaning everything above P&S and Bridge.

The traditional DSLR market segments from "bottom to top" are roughly as follows;

"Soccer Mom"/newbie

Hobbyist

Enthusiast

Professional

Which is why DSLR's are designed to give the user controls for varying photographic needs.

Conversly, with the A7 cameras, Sony is attempting to define the market by the type of photographer you are vs. how "serious" you are. The A7 is best suited for the Street Photographer or even Sports. The A7r is for the landscape photographer or portrait/fashion ( a cheaper, lighter, medium format type option) while the A7s is for the low light shooter and/or for video. Can each camera perform well in the other areas? Certainly - but if you define yourself as a specific "type" of photographer vs. "beginner - amateur - pro" than Sony has a camera for you. The area that is somewhat lacking is probably Sports due to the inherent advantages of a OVF and mirror - although that gap may be closed soon.

The following article splits it out even more;

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora...iew/sony-a7-series-which-model-suits-you-best

The traditional DSLR can do almost everything very well because they are designed to appeal to every photographer within the traditional segments.- while the A7 cameras can do most things very well, a few things not so well and a few things excellent.

I don't know if Sony will ultimately be successful with this strategy, but the continual focus on Emount seems to say that so far it is working.
 


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