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Of course, with significant cropping.

On another note, would I be crazy to consider scaling down from full frame to the a77ii.

I'm not confident in the Sony a-mount future at all. I want to continue to grow, but don't want to lose any more money on a-mount.
Changing to a whole new system would be even more costly without direct replacement for all I would lose.
The a77ii would give me the newest technology, so should last 3 years or more. It would fix some of my complaints about the a99 -- mostly a far superior AF system.
I could probably break even trading my a99+28-75+KM17-35 for the a77ii+16-50+aps-c ultra wide. My 200/2.8 would become a 300/2.8... With my 2x tele, it would be 600/5.6!
I'm doing an Alaska cruise next summer... While it's just one trip, extra reach on lenses wouldn't be a bad thing.
So how would I feel losing 1/2-1 stop of ISO...

Wish there was a new not-ridiculously priced full frame a-mount. Then I might be willing to give Sony money.

Why would you buy the A77ii if you feel A-mount might be dead? Personally, I don't think it is but that's just based on my observations and nothing more. SARS is reporting that come January the new A99ii will be announced with potentially a new 40+mp sensor. Of course, it was originally rumored to be announced this year. If I were in your shoes I would at least wait to see what January brings.

Again, the other option is to pick up an A6000 with an adaptor and at least test out the mirrorless options which would give you the fast AF and different focal length. You also seem to "be into" and appreciate older lenses - Emount would open up to you a whole new world of lenses. They won't be stabilized but I've gotten good results from my $50 Rokkor lens. When you must have stabilization you have the A99 to fall back on.

Just some food for thought.
 
Why would you buy the A77ii if you feel A-mount might be dead? Personally, I don't think it is but that's just based on my observations and nothing more. SARS is reporting that come January the new A99ii will be announced with potentially a new 40+mp sensor. Of course, it was originally rumored to be announced this year. If I were in your shoes I would at least wait to see what January brings.

Again, the other option is to pick up an A6000 with an adaptor and at least test out the mirrorless options which would give you the fast AF and different focal length. You also seem to "be into" and appreciate older lenses - Emount would open up to you a whole new world of lenses. They won't be stabilized but I've gotten good results from my $50 Rokkor lens. When you must have stabilization you have the A99 to fall back on.

Just some food for thought.

If the A-mount is dead, I'd still get a few years of enjoyment out of the A77ii, without really having to spend more money.

-A6000 with adaptor would not give me really fast AF with my current lenses. (Would be about the same as my current camera). The A6000 only has the lightening AF when using native lenses.
-A6000 with adapter would cost me about $1,000.... and that's before any lenses.
- Loss of stabilization is a big deal for me. I have very unsteady hands, even with stabilization, I rarely can go much below 1/shutter speed. For example, my wife gets steady pics with her iPhone... I can't ever get a decent picture with my iPhone, just too unsteady.

- I appreciate older lenses as a means to an end --- Great performance at a discount. I still only use AF lenses. For example, the Minolta 100/2.8 Macro is optically the exact same lens as the current brand new Sony 100/2.8 macro -- So why pay $750 for the new lens, when you can get essentially the same lens for $300?
I know some users, such as yourself, take joy in the older manual lenses, not me. But for AF lenses, the E-mount doesn't really open doors.

So what are my options WITHOUT spending much money right now:
1 -- Sit and wait. Which is probably what I will do. If there ever is an A99ii that strikes my fancy, I can decide whether to spend money on upgrading at that point. Though I have almost ZERO interest in a 46mp A99ii. I want a 24mp A99ii with better ISO performance, and better AF.

2-- ADDing the A6000 + adapter + lenses would be costly. But I could sell off all or almost all my A-mount gear... probably for about $2500-$3000. Use that money to build a very very nice system around the A6000.

3-- Sell off A-mount, get $2500-$3000, invest in A7 starter set -- The A7 plus 1 or 2 native lenses. Downside-- I would lose the "completeness" of my current system, and would need to rely on lens based stabilization -- not in all lenses.

4-- Sell off A-mount, and start anew with Nikon D610, Nikon D750, Canon 6D... etc. Downside -- Could not replicate my complete current system without spending a ton (a stabilized 200/2.8????), and I would miss the EVF/live view.

Ugh, the full frame A-mount dSLT is the best system for me, wish Sony wasn't ignoring it.

Unfortunately, my predictions are more dire -- Come January, either we will see that the exciting new cameras are solely E-mount, no A-mount offerings. Or if there is an A-mount, it will be a single model -- 46mp, slow bulky camera, for $3000. I want a fast responsive 24mp camera.
 
If the A-mount is dead, I'd still get a few years of enjoyment out of the A77ii, without really having to spend more money.

-A6000 with adaptor would not give me really fast AF with my current lenses. (Would be about the same as my current camera). The A6000 only has the lightening AF when using native lenses.
-A6000 with adapter would cost me about $1,000.... and that's before any lenses.
- Loss of stabilization is a big deal for me. I have very unsteady hands, even with stabilization, I rarely can go much below 1/shutter speed. For example, my wife gets steady pics with her iPhone... I can't ever get a decent picture with my iPhone, just too unsteady.

- I appreciate older lenses as a means to an end --- Great performance at a discount. I still only use AF lenses. For example, the Minolta 100/2.8 Macro is optically the exact same lens as the current brand new Sony 100/2.8 macro -- So why pay $750 for the new lens, when you can get essentially the same lens for $300?
I know some users, such as yourself, take joy in the older manual lenses, not me. But for AF lenses, the E-mount doesn't really open doors.

So what are my options WITHOUT spending much money right now:
1 -- Sit and wait. Which is probably what I will do. If there ever is an A99ii that strikes my fancy, I can decide whether to spend money on upgrading at that point. Though I have almost ZERO interest in a 46mp A99ii. I want a 24mp A99ii with better ISO performance, and better AF.

2-- ADDing the A6000 + adapter + lenses would be costly. But I could sell off all or almost all my A-mount gear... probably for about $2500-$3000. Use that money to build a very very nice system around the A6000.

3-- Sell off A-mount, get $2500-$3000, invest in A7 starter set -- The A7 plus 1 or 2 native lenses. Downside-- I would lose the "completeness" of my current system, and would need to rely on lens based stabilization -- not in all lenses.

4-- Sell off A-mount, and start anew with Nikon D610, Nikon D750, Canon 6D... etc. Downside -- Could not replicate my complete current system without spending a ton (a stabilized 200/2.8????), and I would miss the EVF/live view.

Ugh, the full frame A-mount dSLT is the best system for me, wish Sony wasn't ignoring it.

Unfortunately, my predictions are more dire -- Come January, either we will see that the exciting new cameras are solely E-mount, no A-mount offerings. Or if there is an A-mount, it will be a single model -- 46mp, slow bulky camera, for $3000. I want a fast responsive 24mp camera.

Thanks for the explanation. Clearly stabilization is a primary need - Have you considered changing to Olympus? You lose the full frame "look" but the new OM-D is an amazing camera. You can also get adapters for your A-mount to M 4/3 - not sure if you lose stabilization but I don't see why you would.

Edit- Just did a quick search and couldn't find an A-mount adapter to M4/3 that retains AF so that may be an issue.
 
Thanks for the explanation. Clearly stabilization is a primary need - Have you considered changing to Olympus? You lose the full frame "look" but the new OM-D is an amazing camera. You can also get adapters for your A-mount to M 4/3 - not sure if you lose stabilization but I don't see why you would.

Edit- Just did a quick search and couldn't find an A-mount adapter to M4/3 that retains AF so that may be an issue.

I admit that my knowledge base on Olympus is lacking. I don't know anybody who shoots with the cameras, they generally aren't carried in stores. So I've never handled one, rarely even seen one. While I've read a little, I don't really keep that up to date on it.

But if I was going to take a big step down in sensor size, I'd probably just go with the A6000 over the 4/3. Simply looking at DXO charts (and common sense re sensor sizes), the 4/3 would be a big step down in ISO performance, a bigger step than I'm willing to take. If I decide I'm okay losing about 1/2 stop of ISO performance, it would make more sense for me to switch to the A6000 or A77ii.

Like I said, the A-mount system is nearly perfect for me... It is a shame for me, if Sony is killing it.

-4:3 -- Pro -- IBIS. But cons for me -- Smaller sensor, big step down in ISO performance. My current lenses would likely lose AF.
-E-mount APS-C -- Pros -- familiar with the menu system, can use my current lenses with AF with adapter, ISO performance only slightly below my full frame A99. Cons -- No IBIS if I choose to keep my current lenses. Native lenses are expensive, and lacking in fast lenses/macro lenses. Switching to native e-mount lenses would get a little costly.
-E-mount full frame -- Pros-- Familiar with menu system, can use my current AF lenses with adapter, Superior IQ and ISO performance. Cons -- Slower performing camera, slower AF. Lose IBIS if I keep my current lenses. Lacking many native lenses, and switching lens systems would get very very costly.
-Canon and Nikon dSLR options: Pros -- dSLR ergonomics which I prefer. Likely product support for many many years to come. Canon/Nikon fullframe would give me superior IQ and superior ISO performance than I get now. Cons -- Would require switching entire system. Would be very very costly to keep anything even remotely comparable to my current setup. I'd need to learn a whole new menu system, etc. (Not that bad). Would lose EVF, lose responsive fast live view (I'm not an EVF diehard, I can live without it, but I do prefer it).

Truthfully, my ideal camera would be an A99ii with some of the upgrades seen in the A77ii --- Faster AF, improved SLT light loss. (The A77ii ISO performance improved by about 1/2 stop.... A 1/2 stop improvement in the A99 would bring it much closer to the A7/Canon/Nikon competition).

In all likelihood, I'm going to stick with what I have. I really like my A99. Part of the reason I considered switching, is my SLT mirror is a bit damaged. I may have to order a replacement mirror and switch it, which is a pain in the @$%$
 

Hey Havoc, if you're interested in a mint A7 and LA-EA4 with real low clicks let me know.......;)
 
Havoc, that's a really nice photo.

I am just loving the Fuji cameras even though they are crop sensors. The IQ isn't an exact match for the A7 and the high ISO is better on the A7, but the Fuji just has a magic to it. I don't know how to explain it. I feel it has a certain POP to it. Maybe it's just the amazing lenses. I don't know.
 
Havoc, that's a really nice photo.

I am just loving the Fuji cameras even though they are crop sensors. The IQ isn't an exact match for the A7 and the high ISO is better on the A7, but the Fuji just has a magic to it. I don't know how to explain it. I feel it has a certain POP to it. Maybe it's just the amazing lenses. I don't know.

I've read and seen a lot of great things about the jpeg rendering out of the Fuji. And today's crop sensors match full frame of just a few years ago. It's a reason I'm slightly considering the Sony A77ii.

I do like the advantages of full frame, pushing ISO just a little bit higher. But it really isn't a critical need in most situations.
 
I've read and seen a lot of great things about the jpeg rendering out of the Fuji. And today's crop sensors match full frame of just a few years ago. It's a reason I'm slightly considering the Sony A77ii.

I do like the advantages of full frame, pushing ISO just a little bit higher. But it really isn't a critical need in most situations.

I agree about the ISO. How often do we usually shoot above 3200? I find most shots are 200-2000 for myself. All ILC's today can easily handle that.

What the Fuji lacks in ISO against the A7(with native lenses), it makes up for in fast glass. And if you look at samples and from my experience, they are all crazy sharp wide open. Even the 56 f1.2 is crazy sharp wide open.

I do wish their lenses were a little cheaper, but I guess you get what you pay for.
 
I agree about the ISO. How often do we usually shoot above 3200? I find most shots are 200-2000 for myself. All ILC's today can easily handle that.

What the Fuji lacks in ISO against the A7(with native lenses), it makes up for in fast glass. And if you look at samples and from my experience, they are all crazy sharp wide open. Even the 56 f1.2 is crazy sharp wide open.

I do wish their lenses were a little cheaper, but I guess you get what you pay for.

ISO is like money... No matter how much you have, it's nice to have a little more.
I find myself using higher ISO when the camera is capable -- not because I'm shooting in the dark, but so I can stop down to get depth of field or get away with a higher shutter speed to prevent any motion blur.

For example, on a recent Disney cruise, I took shots of my kids with the characters. In-door artificial light. I added a bounce flash to even out the exposure, but it was still low light. I could have shot at 2.8 and ISO 1600... But I probably wouldn't have enough DOF for both my kids, etc. The latitude of full frame let me stop down to 5.6/6400 and still get good shots.
 
I am heading to Orlando in a few weeks and since the bulk of our trip will be spent at Universal I will not be bringing my camera bag into the parks. If you could only bring one lens with you which one would you bring?

Thanks!
 
Depends, is it a zoom or prime? For zooms, I would bring a 16-50 or 18-55 whatever you have. If a prime I would bring something wide.
 
I've been working on using my little NEX 3N in modes other than auto (M/A/S). I love all the tips and feedback everyone's been getting on this photography board so I figured I'd throw my amateur hat in the ring. I'm not 100% sure that NEX still falls within the alpha line, I do apologize if it doesn't and I've posted these on the wrong thread

Mom and Baby G by raddie99, on Flickr

Jumping Around by raddie99, on Flickr

More Baby G by raddie99, on Flickr

Princess First Day of School by raddie99, on Flickr

Beautiful Princess by raddie99, on Flickr

Still trying to figure this out by raddie99, on Flickr

Princess in Tree by raddie99, on Flickr

Princess by raddie99, on Flickr

Puppy Profile by raddie99, on Flickr
 
I've been working on using my little NEX 3N in modes other than auto (M/A/S). I love all the tips and feedback everyone's been getting on this photography board so I figured I'd throw my amateur hat in the ring. I'm not 100% sure that NEX still falls within the alpha line, I do apologize if it doesn't and I've posted these on the wrong thread

Mom and Baby G by raddie99, on Flickr

Jumping Around by raddie99, on Flickr

More Baby G by raddie99, on Flickr

Princess First Day of School by raddie99, on Flickr

Beautiful Princess by raddie99, on Flickr

Still trying to figure this out by raddie99, on Flickr

Princess in Tree by raddie99, on Flickr

Princess by raddie99, on Flickr

Puppy Profile by raddie99, on Flickr

Lovely shots, and yes... the NEX does fall within the Alpha line.
 
Yes, nice shots Rgonzalez! I own an NEX-3 and an NEX-7. How do you like the camera?
 
I was at Virginia Tech University over the weekend with my son for a visit. We attended the VT vs. ECU football game. Although Tech lost a close one, I had a great time watching and taking some shots with my Rokinon Fisheye and the Minolta Rokkor 50mm 1.4.

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This VT fan was a bit concerned after the Hokies went down 21-0.

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The ECU cheerleaders were right in front of me, so close I could hear their conversations. Naturally, my attention as well as the camera's was drawn to their cheers and stunts.

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My wife wanted to know why I took so many pictures of the cheerleaders. "Part of my growth as a photographer" I answered. It was challenging and fun shooting them in full manual mode with the Rokkor. :)
 
Yes, nice shots Rgonzalez! I own an NEX-3 and an NEX-7. How do you like the camera?

Hi Fractal, I honestly love the 3N. How do you like the 7?

I bought a few legacy lenses from CL, $60 for three lenses, and I would have never imagined how much fun I've had just trying out the different lenses. I know the 3N is an entry level mirrorless but the price was perfect for me ($299 on Amazon back in May) and it's been a great introduction into what feels like a completely different kind of picture taking.

I've read that the autofocus is a lot faster with the 7 and it has a viewfinder (focus peaking is cool on the 3N's LCD but it can be pain in bright daylight). This is my first step outside of point-and-shoots but I can already see where I'd like to upgrade and use something with more features (possibly full frame). I don't want to make that investment just yet, so I'll keep learning and experimenting with the 3N until I feel that I've outgrown it's limitations.

Next learning step will be shooting Raw and processing in Photoshop/Lightroom.
 
Hi Fractal, I honestly love the 3N. How do you like the 7?

I bought a few legacy lenses from CL, $60 for three lenses, and I would have never imagined how much fun I've had just trying out the different lenses. I know the 3N is an entry level mirrorless but the price was perfect for me ($299 on Amazon back in May) and it's been a great introduction into what feels like a completely different kind of picture taking.

I've read that the autofocus is a lot faster with the 7 and it has a viewfinder (focus peaking is cool on the 3N's LCD but it can be pain in bright daylight). This is my first step outside of point-and-shoots but I can already see where I'd like to upgrade and use something with more features (possibly full frame). I don't want to make that investment just yet, so I'll keep learning and experimenting with the 3N until I feel that I've outgrown it's limitations.

Next learning step will be shooting Raw and processing in Photoshop/Lightroom.


I started out with the 3 as you are doing and then moved up to the 7 about 2 years ago. I love the EVF and the Tri-Nav controls. With focus peaking it makes shooting manual enjoyable. Even when I have a lens with an aperture ring, being able to adjust the shutter speed that easily and seeing it in the EVF is great. The sensor is also terrific but not perfect. When i can shoot under 800 ISO my IQ is amazing. Above that I have to deal with more noise than you do. I also have to deal with vignetting on my fish-eye and super wide lenses.

The AF is an improvement over the 3 but the new AF in the A6000 is a big jump from the nex-7. I wish I could take the A6000 sensor and but it into my Nex-7 body.

Anyway, Welcome and keep shooting and keep sharing!:thumbsup2
 


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