Pete addressing all the hate on the podcast

[Jrb1979]

I disagree, if Disney delayed the 50th they would have been called out for it, they are also investing a ton in their parks, between new rides, hotels, and restaurants, ect… people don’t seem to mind when all of these things are being done, only when the price goes up “for no reason, out of nowhere”

For what the call the 50th celebration they should have just delayed it. It should have been about the history of the parks as well as a celebration parade. Instead it's all about the merch and food. Both of which has to with ROI.

Was talking about here, not other places. And it's not just in TPAS, it's all over this place.

IMO the negativity comes from all the cuts that have happened. I think many are disappointed in what Disney has become. For me it's what they done to Epcot that bothers me. I loved Epcot of the 80s and 90s. Now it's a glorified Food Festival most of the year. What once was a great park with many original attractions has become MK 2.0 with all the IP being put in.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

For what the call the 50th celebration they should have just delayed it. It should have been about the history of the parks as well as a celebration parade. Instead it's all about the merch and food. Both of which has to with ROI.

I think they did what they could, and more is coming as time goes on. I think most would sing a different tune if it was delayed in general. To think that Disney planned the celebration the way it is now, prior to the pandemic is nuts, I think people should be more understanding about where the state of the world is right now, if they did i think the 50th would make more sense. Just bc people personally want instant gratification, doesn't mean it's possible for a company to pull it off

 

[0FF TO NEVERLAND]

Pete is wrong during this show. Our anger and disappointment with Disney has nothing to do with anything not related to Disney. When the overwhelming majority of people agree with something Disney is doing in a negative way, you don't basically say we all are wrong with other intentions.

I was really annoyed when he was comparing the enchantment reaction to when happily ever after debuted. There is no comparison. A majority of people really liked HHE but missed Wishes. This one is nobody really likes enchanted. Sure, people do, but a majority don't. Disney should listen to fan feedback, but they don't.

Honestly, the one thing that changed Disney for the worse was the debut of Disney Plus. That put many many more eyes on the product and company, so not only are they super careful about not offending every person in the world, they also think they need to spread all that IP everywhere, when they don't

Didn't like this episode very much, but at least Rino was spot on and honest

 

[Jrb1979]

I think they did what they could, and more is coming as time goes on. I think most would sing a different tune if it was delayed in general. To think that Disney planned the celebration the way it is now, prior to the pandemic is nuts, I think people should be more understanding about where the state of the world is right now, if they did i think the 50th would make more sense. Just bc people personally want instant gratification, doesn't mean it's possible for a company to pull it off

Yes more is coming but I disagree with that they did the best they could. It wouldn't cost them much to put on a special parade for the 50th. I look at Cedar Point, they just did their 150th. They had a special night time parade, brought back stuff from their history and had a museum in the park about the history of Cedar Point. That's the kind of stuff Disney should be doing. The 50th should be about the history of the parks not about the special merch.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

Yes more is coming but I disagree with that they did the best they could. It wouldn't cost them much to put on a special parade for the 50th. I look at Cedar Point, they just did their 150th. They had a special night time parade, brought back stuff from their history and had a museum in the park about the history of Cedar Point. That's the kind of stuff Disney should be doing. The 50th should be about the history of the parks not about the special merch.

I hate to say it, but that's what YOU want Disney to do, and for hardo fans like us, that seems right, for the masses, i don't think they'd care about the history too much/ i feel like everyone in America knows the history of the park haha.

Disney is also being held at a higher standard for Covid then any other theme park, even the President called them out a few weeks back, so where i think cedar point could get away with a parade, the climate does not allow Disney to do that without getting scrutinized for putting their cast members at risk, if they rushed one together people would complain about that too, they are in a losing situation no matter what they do.

 

[Jrb1979]

I hate to say it, but that's what YOU want Disney to do, and for hardo fans like us, that seems right, for the masses, i don't think they'd care about the history too much/ i feel like everyone in America knows the history of the park haha.

Disney is also being held at a higher standard for Covid then any other theme park, even the President called them out a few weeks back, so where i think cedar point could get away with a parade, the climate does not allow Disney to do that without getting scrutinized for putting their cast members at risk, if they rushed one together people would complain about that too, they are in a losing situation no matter what they do.

I disagree with that too. Disneyland is doing parades so that argument doesn't work.

I still think they should've done more to celebrate the parks. The fact that special merch and food is the focus says a lot about them.

 

[BroadwayHermione5]

I was so happy to hear Pete going on a "rant" about all the negative attitudes out there lately. The very fact that people wanted him to go on a "rant" expecting him to criticize Enchantment, Harmonius, etc. just shows how much hate is out there right now, people were actually looking forward to a negative response! Like him I understand the negative feelings out there these days but I guess what bothers me most is I look to the boards and all the Facebook pages as a way to bring some joy into my day. When Im at work and having a rough day I like to go on and see all the pictures and stories of people enjoying the parks and most of all how helpful the community can be when people have questions or need help. It make me smile. Lately I have actually unsubscribed to some facebook groups because its all negative. And like Pete said its not an opinion as "I dont care for this" but just mean spirited hate. I saw people calling cast members in the Magic Kingdom on Oct 1st awful names and making comments I wouldnt make about my worst enemies, Can you just imagine the day these poor people had and they were just trying to make everyones day more enjoyable. Im a DVC member and annual passholder and have been effected by all the changes as well. I am also fortunate to have made several trips to DW thru COVID and more recently. Yes it was different but I found something to enjoy each time and honestly, it was a whole lot better than sitting at home! Being there gave me a real much needed attitude adjustment and really helped during these stressful times. The first time I went I posted some pictures on social media and was actually called "stupid" for being there during COVID several times! The comments were just off the charts. look you may not agree with me and your welcome to voice that opinion but to call me STUPID! WOW I was just shocked. We all must do whats good for us and can disagree but the level of negative comments has been crazy lately.
Pete calls out Disney when he feels appropriate but Im was very happy to see him address this I like these groups and enjoy being a part of.

I absolutely agree! Yes if something goes wrong it should be addressed and criticized appropriately. But the blatant hate is ridiculous.
Also as I’ve said on the boards many times since my most recent trip to UOR and WDW-everyone has different experiences. It shouldn’t diminish what other people thought. Also don’t say someone did something wrong or it’s unheard of-just because you haven’t had it happen to you doesn’t mean you were standing next to someone when it happened to them!

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

I disagree with that too. Disneyland is doing parades so that argument doesn't work.

I still think they should've done more to celebrate the parks. The fact that special merch and food is the focus says a lot about them.

that's valid, I still think if Disney came out with FFP, people would complain that they didn't get a new parade, then if they got a new parade they would complain that it wasn't as good as FFP, it's what's happening with the new shows currently.

They are also adding new rides, rethemed the castle, added the golden statues, (i agree they're kinda lame, but still pumping in a little money), new firework shows, and they have said there is more coming. They have done things, you just don't like the things they have done, and there's a difference

 

[Jrb1979]

that's valid, I still think if Disney came out with FFP, people would complain that they didn't get a new parade, then if they got a new parade they would complain that it wasn't as good as FFP, it's what's happening with the new shows currently.

They are also adding new rides, rethemed the castle, added the golden statues, (i agree they're kinda lame, but still pumping in a little money), new firework shows, and they have said there is more coming. They have done things, you just don't like the things they have done, and there's a difference

To be honest the only new thing I like is Genie+. I'm not a shows person so I can take them or leave them. The new rides to me are not impressive at all.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

To be honest the only new thing I like is Genie+. I'm not a shows person so I can take them or leave them. The new rides to me are not impressive at all.

Personally i'm not thrilled with RAT, but Tron, and Guardians look like they should be to my liking. I like the idea of Genie+, and think it will work, (going down next week so i get to be a guinea pig...yay), but am waiting to cast final judgement until it has been out for a bit

 

[Jrb1979]

Personally i'm not thrilled with RAT, but Tron, and Guardians look like they should be to my liking. I like the idea of Genie+, and think it will work, (going down next week so i get to be a guinea pig...yay), but am waiting to cast final judgement until it has been out for a bit

From seeing the layout for Guardians, it looks like it will be similar to Gringotts at Universal. It's 2 rooms with helixes. I'm down on them due how awesome Velocicoaster is.

 

[DLgal]

I find it interesting that in the podcasts that have come out since this one, the REST of the DIS team members all seem to unanimously hate the new shows, with a couple exceptions. In addition, I caught Craig in a guest spot on another podcast (not related to DIS) with his LIVE reaction to Harmonius on the night of the media event and he said he HATED IT, right as it concluded. That was his immediate reaction. FWIW, the host of that podcast felt the same way, but she was a bit reluctant to flat out say it right there, but she also writes for major publications, so she felt pressure from a PR angle to not bash the show so publicly during the media event (she actually said this).

It's fine for people to like these shows. Everyone gets an opinion and obviously some people will like them, but its not okay to yell at people who don't and tell them they are wrong, or that they need to look in a mirror or that their disdain comes from something unrelated to Disney.

 

[DLgal]

I disagree with that too. Disneyland is doing parades so that argument doesn't work.

I still think they should've done more to celebrate the parks. The fact that special merch and food is the focus says a lot about them.

Right, Disneyland is doing parades for their PAID HALLOWEEN PARTY.

The lack of parades has absolutely nothing to do with "covid safety." We are WELL beyond that point, given that rides are back to loading fully, and fireworks are happening where people are crammed in for an hour+ every night before showtime. Not running parades is about saving M-O-N-E-Y.

Interestingly, there are talks about the Main Street Electrical Parade returning to Disneyland early next year. Disneyland management gets it when it comes to using nostalgia to draw people in. They know attendance is going to fall off a cliff once the holidays are over.

 

[BroadwayHermione5]

I find it interesting that in the podcasts that have come out since this one, the REST of the DIS team members all seem to unanimously hate the new shows, with a couple exceptions. In addition, I caught Craig in a guest spot on another podcast (not related to DIS) with his LIVE reaction to Harmonius on the night of the media event and he said he HATED IT, right as it concluded. That was his immediate reaction. FWIW, the host of that podcast felt the same way, but she was a bit reluctant to flat out say it right there, but she also writes for major publications, so she felt pressure from a PR angle to not bash the show so publicly during the media event (she actually said this).

It's fine for people to like these shows. Everyone gets an opinion and obviously some people will like them, but its not okay to yell at people who don't and tell them they are wrong, or that they need to look in a mirror or that their disdain comes from something unrelated to Disney.

Most if not all of them actually were expressing their opinions on social media. And even non Dis publications I follow were also expressing good, bad or indifferent opinions on the new offerings. I don’t think Pete was saying not to have an opinion-and if I remember correctly Craig somewhat enjoyed Enchantment-but I think what Pete was saying was the overall negativity lately has reached a point of no return. Most people take it out on innocent cast members (and team members and staff of other theme parks-Universal and Busch Gardens ive also seen some not so nice things said), will start fights on forums and social media pages and YouTube channels causing major issues, and overall just make someone feel like dirt for even expressing something like “I liked the music and Angela Bassett narrating but I wasn’t a fan of this” because for some people, if you don’t like one thing, you shouldn’t like the offering as a whole.
For what it’s worth, Craig’s excellent video footage made me want to see them live (which is when I will give a final opinion) and I am happy something like Kitetails is going on because it does give us something else to do at AK.

I’m also sorry if I came across slightly agitated in my response just now, but I’m so sick of reading fight after fight over a difference of opinion.

 

[DLgal]

Most if not all of them actually were expressing their opinions on social media. And even non Dis publications I follow were also expressing good, bad or indifferent opinions on the new offerings. I don’t think Pete was saying not to have an opinion-and if I remember correctly Craig somewhat enjoyed Enchantment-but I think what Pete was saying was the overall negativity lately has reached a point of no return. Most people take it out on innocent cast members (and team members and staff of other theme parks-Universal and Busch Gardens ive also seen some not so nice things said), will start fights on forums and social media pages and YouTube channels causing major issues, and overall just make someone feel like dirt for even expressing something like “I liked the music and Angela Bassett narrating but I wasn’t a fan of this” because for some people, if you don’t like one thing, you shouldn’t like the offering as a whole.
For what it’s worth, Craig’s excellent video footage made me want to see them live (which is when I will give a final opinion) and I am happy something like Kitetails is going on because it does give us something else to do at AK.

I’m also sorry if I came across slightly agitated in my response just now, but I’m so sick of reading fight after fight over a difference of opinion.

Well, to be honest, I found Pete's claims of vitriol and hate and fist fights over this stuff to be overblown hyperbole at BEST. I've seen some comments on YouTube, FB, and Twitter recently and nothing stood out to me as particularly worse than any other collection of "social media commenting" I've seen. Social media has long been the toilet of the internet. Nothing new there. People have strong opinions both ways and that's kinda how it's always been. If the scale appears to be tipping heavily to one side, and that side happens to be negative, why would anyone assume it's the PEOPLE and not the PRODUCT? If the reviews were overwhelmingly positive, would people be saying "all those people are too positive and they must just have amazing, easy lives where nothing goes wrong." No. They'd be saying "Disney hit a home run!" These heavily negative reviews tell ME, "Disney swung and missed this time." That's it. I didn't like the shows. I didn't rage about it. I didn't threaten anyone. I didn't engage in a fight over it. I just found them exceptionally underwhelming and basically like they phoned them in. It's another disappointment in a long line of disappointments from WDW recently.

I also thought Craig's video was great. Kudos to his skills as a videographer are due, certainly, but the shows did absolutely nothing to make me want to visit WDW and apparently that was the whole goal of Disney live streaming them. It didn't work. Maybe they ARE better in person, but I don't care to spend thousands of dollars for a maybe.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

To be honest the only new thing I like is Genie+. I'm not a shows person so I can take them or leave them. The new rides to me are not impressive at all.

I agree. If I want a bunch of screens I can go to Universal. I loved Great Movie Ride. M&M looks like a bunch of cutouts that a bunch of middle school kids made for the backdrop to their play!!

 

[BroadwayHermione5]

Well, to be honest, I found Pete's claims of vitriol and hate and fist fights over this stuff to be overblown hyperbole at BEST. I've seen some comments on YouTube, FB, and Twitter recently and nothing stood out to me as particularly worse than any other collection of "social media commenting" I've seen. Social media has long been the toilet of the internet. Nothing new there. People have strong opinions both ways and that's kinda how it's always been. If the scale appears to be tipping heavily to one side, and that side happens to be negative, why would anyone assume it's the PEOPLE and not the PRODUCT? If the reviews were overwhelmingly positive, would people be saying "all those people are too positive and they must just have amazing, easy lives where nothing goes wrong." No. They'd be saying "Disney hit a home run!" These heavily negative reviews tell ME, "Disney swung and missed this time." That's it. I didn't like the shows. I didn't rage about it. I didn't threaten anyone. I didn't engage in a fight over it. I just found them exceptionally underwhelming and basically like they phoned them in. It's another disappointment in a long line of disappointments from WDW recently.

I also thought Craig's video was great. Kudos to his skills as a videographer are due, certainly, but the shows did absolutely nothing to make me want to visit WDW and apparently that was the whole goal of Disney live streaming them. It didn't work. Maybe they ARE better in person, but I don't care to spend thousands of dollars for a maybe.

I wasn’t saying you specifically threatened or targeted anyone and my apologies if it came off like that.
And as you said, social media has always been the toilet of the internet.
now granted I never saw wishes or Epcot Forever so I am only basing it off HEA (which I sadly only saw once) and illuminations. I wasn’t even a huge theme park fan until I got into college, even though I had been frequenting them for years. So for me, I would have to see both in person and from Craig’s videos, I liked enchantment more.
I agree you shouldn’t be spending thousands of dollars to see that in person just to gauge an opinion on those two shows, but I still really enjoy what Disney has to offer. Just like I enjoy Universal parks and Busch Gardens Williamsburg. They also have their issues or things I don’t enjoy, but on the whole I enjoy them.
And if I have an opinion that differs, I try not to argue.
I also think for me personally Ive always tried to be neutral and see everything from both sides while also recognizing the pros and cons of each side-and by everything I mean everything-for example I just don’t say I don’t like something because it’s xyz, I go looking for 123 to try and back up why, and I’m just sick of negative statements without something to back it up. In the case of everything lately, I probably would need to see the shows/ride what I haven’t ridden in person to really figure out why I do or do not like them and why.
Again my apologies if it came across as I was saying you threatened or attacked someone. It was not my intention.

 

[woodleygrrl]

I find it interesting that in the podcasts that have come out since this one, the REST of the DIS team members all seem to unanimously hate the new shows, with a couple exceptions. In addition, I caught Craig in a guest spot on another podcast (not related to DIS) with his LIVE reaction to Harmonius on the night of the media event and he said he HATED IT, right as it concluded. That was his immediate reaction. FWIW, the host of that podcast felt the same way, but she was a bit reluctant to flat out say it right there, but she also writes for major publications, so she felt pressure from a PR angle to not bash the show so publicly during the media event (she actually said this).

It's fine for people to like these shows. Everyone gets an opinion and obviously some people will like them, but its not okay to yell at people who don't and tell them they are wrong, or that they need to look in a mirror or that their disdain comes from something unrelated to Disney.

Craig's shtick is to hate everything, though.

With you on it's ok to like something. There is a regular on the podcast who makes fun of Star Wars and everyone who likes it constantly.

It doesn't make you cool to hate on something that a bunch of people like.

 

[Punkrockbebop]

Craig's shtick is to hate everything, though.

With you on the thing about its ok to like something. There is a regular on the podcast who makes fun of Star Wars and everyone who likes it constantly.

It doesn't make you cool to hate on something that a bunch of people like.

There is a difference, actually.

Craig likes a LOT of things, and he’s very vocal about what he loves. He is a harsh critic, but he has solid arguments behind his critiques. I enjoy hearing him break things down, even in cases where I don’t agree with him (The Great Movie Ride “needing” to be demolished). But he is open to new experiences even if he may have trepidation, and he is open to hearing other’s opinions and discussion.

Kevin, on the other hand, is a Debbie Downer or a Colin Robinson. We already know what he doesn’t like and care about, and have heard him the first few times he has stated his opinions. He’s bringing nothing new to the table. There’s nothing wrong with expressing opinions, or even being repetitive, but in his case, Its not constructive criticism or critique, it’s controlling the energy and temperature of the room through the expression of negativity. It is particularly noticeable during a spirited, excited discussion where he brings down the energy of the discussion and can’t allow differences in others. I get it, because I’ve been there! I’ve actually learned a lot about my own negativity through listening to him, and am striving to be more open towards others and things I don‘t like. It’s helped me to be kinder to my partner and allow him to be himself, and hopefully others, too.

 

[Punkrockbebop]

I agree. If I want a bunch of screens I can go to Universal. I loved Great Movie Ride. M&M looks like a bunch of cutouts that a bunch of middle school kids made for the backdrop to their play!!

thats a perfect description of MMRR. I mean, the scenery is nicely painted and the effects are neat, but ultimately it’s all cardboard and screens, and I’m bitter about losing a GREAT animatronic ride with such depth and richness to THIS. Also, MMRR is spastic like the current kids’ cartoons, and is meant to capture the short attention span of kids, thus alienating the older folk. This, and the loss of the Streets of Hollywood Streetmosphere character actors means that there is literally nothing in this park that includes older members of the family, and the whole concept of the Disney parks was for the whole family to have something wholesome to enjoy, together. We need SOME slower dark ride experiences to absorb crowds and allow people to relax and beat the heat.

an example of a better done version of the screen type of ride, on the other hand, would be Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure, although I’d add that it is probably still too spastic for older members of the family. The design and artistry of that ride was really well done, because there were more practical elements to balance out the screens, and a classic slow animatronic ride didn't have to be gutted in order to include it.